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[Jhime]

Hum, am expecting to get my download link on March 8th since I bought from gametreemac.com... but this seems to indicate I still can't play until March 10. Don't really see the point of that, but oh well...

Modifié par Jhime, 24 février 2011 - 09:41 .

[Tricky_Rich]

Morroian wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 Physical & Digital PC/Mac DRM are as follows:

• No disc check, you do not need the disc in drive to play.
• No limit on the total number of PCs you can install the game on.
• There is a limit to the number of unique/different PCs that can play the game within a time window (if online) [5 PCs in 24hrs].
• After each new install there is a 1-time online check needed the next time you play, requiring a log in to your EA account to verify game ownership.  If you are a member of these forums, you already have an EA account – just use the same email/password.
• You can play offline thereafter - the game will NOT require any subsequent login checks.  If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play

Thank you Chris and well done Bioware. I wonder if all those people who were going to cancelt ehir pre-order actually did.

Well...I know I wimped out on cancelling my SE pre-order...I was fearing SecuROM, but just had to hear the official line and I'm glad I did!

[Absarka]

Excellent! Thank you, Chris and Fernando

I'm not so sure about this background check when an internet connection is detected, but it's no hardship to switch my internet off when playing the game.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Nighteye2 wrote...

If that's the reason, why not set the 11th as the worldwide unlock date?

That would annoy American consumers who could buy the game in stores on the 8th but not play until the 11th.

American retailers release new products on Tuesdays.  European retailers release new products on Fridays.  EA has no control over that.

[scpulley]

Just a question, does this mean that once we have DLC installed there isn't a log into our EA account to check that those are available like that happened with ME 2?

[Jonp382]

scpulley wrote...

Just a question, does this mean that once we have DLC installed there isn't a log into our EA account to check that those are available like that happened with ME 2?

There is a one time login requirement for newly installed DLC.

[Nighteye2]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Nighteye2 wrote...
If that's the reason, why not set the 11th as the worldwide unlock date?

That would annoy American consumers who could buy the game in stores on the 8th but not play until the 11th.

American retailers release new products on Tuesdays.  European retailers release new products on Fridays.  EA has no control over that.

Not all European retailers release new products on Fridays. There are no laws forcing them to do so. I know many retailers who put them in the store the moment they arrive - as service to their customers who then are able to play as soon as possible. Especially important if US stores got the game earlier and spoilers start proliferating on the internet...

[scpulley]

oh thank god, that bugged me to no end in DA, especially if my net was being dumb and not connecting to the servers. I could play, but then a chunk of my gear would be gone. Glad they got rid of that.

[Raven Snow]

LiamN7 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

Well this version of the drm is better since it doesn't require calls back home every so often.
But since it still requires having an internet connection and registering the game on an account to even install and play it. I will not be buying da2 . I don't believe single player games should require an internet connection for anything. So while these drm requirements are not very heavy. They go beyond what I am willing to do.

While I agree it's tedious in a way, I don't agree with that explanation.

I have no problem with a single online check, and since I'm always online I also have no problem with a constant online check, but I just don't like that you HAVE to do it on an install or can't play because I don't always have internet when I install things.

I never said it was tedious . It could be worse. I don't think I was explaining anything other than how I feel about this drm and that I will not purchase da2 because of it. Internet as a requirement for a single player game to be installed or played is something I do not agree with. It is just that simple.

To refuse to purchase because of something that trivial... that is something that is insane in my eyes.

To think that internet connection of any kind to play or install a single player game is ok ,especially constant online check is insane in my eyes.  See opinions we both have them and surprise they are different. But that is ok. You do as you like, I will do as I like.

This is the best DRM I've seen in forever, BUT I have a question...
I'm pretty sure the answer to my question is Yes, but I want to check.
I do not have internet access. At All. To use the internet I have to use my mums computer, and it's simply not capable of running games.

My Question: This 1 time online check, that needs internet... It means that I HAVE to have internet to play DAII, right???

*whines*

[Jonp382]

Raven Snow wrote...

I do not have internet access. At All. To use the internet I have to use my mums computer, and it's simply not capable of running games.

My Question: This 1 time online check, that needs internet... It means that I HAVE to have internet to play DAII, right???

*whines*

You only have to activate once. Ask your mum if she can allow you access to the internet on your computer long enough to activate your game.

[Koffeegirl]

Thanks so much for posting this Chris. It's great that we can install on other PCs, if I decide to upgrade in the near future. I'm glad that we don;t have to be online each time we play, (in the summer during storms my internet goes out sometimes) Also, I think it will be nice to not always have the disc in to play. Now just waiting til March 8th so I can pick up the game:)

[Jonp382]

scpulley wrote...

oh thank god, that bugged me to no end in DA, especially if my net was being dumb and not connecting to the servers. I could play, but then a chunk of my gear would be gone. Glad they got rid of that.

It worked the same in DA:O, as far as I know. Odd.

I wonder if you'll have to disable internet to avoid these issues as well.

Modifié par Jonp382, 24 février 2011 - 10:25 .

[Zigzaggy]

One finds although DRM should be completely illegal.....as we must endure it I find this is least intrusive.



However ..Proving I own the game legally is done at the till of the store I purchase from.What really concerns me is although many people have fast broadband....they are still MANY, MANY people that do not have internet access ( two of my children for example) . As this is a single player stand alone game it shouldn't but has ruled them out of playing it...my bills are so high atm and the cutbacks taking place mean I too may have to terminate my contract with my ISP ( I assume it will be the same for others in the UK ) So it rules me out from a purchase too for the moment.



I understand people are happy about the DRM appearing somewhat reasonable.Nevertheless, people that make purchases of a product with DRM attached are stupid mugs.All it takes is for people in significant numbers to say NO !



I sincerely hope at some point in the near future my fellow man/woman wakes up.Continuing to purchase will ensure that DRM never crawls back into the slime it came from.



I do not mind a company protecting it's IP...but it should require them to invest along the lines of encyption rather than constantly infringe upon the rights of consumers.



I have to visit nefarious websites to ensure that I can remove the DRM (which I always do)before I can make a purchase. It's sad that I have to do that.It's also sad that our children grow familiar from an early age with breaking many laws which are increasingly infringing upon our rights.But that is another conversation.



Well done Bioware ..at least it is a step in the right direction.

[Shiratori]

Jonp382 wrote...

Raven Snow wrote...

I do not have internet access. At All. To use the internet I have to use my mums computer, and it's simply not capable of running games.

My Question: This 1 time online check, that needs internet... It means that I HAVE to have internet to play DAII, right???

*whines*

You only have to activate once. Ask your mum if she can allow you access to the internet on your computer long enough to activate your game.

That won't work.  It has to be activated on each computer you install it on.  Having it activated on mom's computer only means mom's computer can then play it.  If it's installed to another PC (which it can be), then it has to be activated on that PC so yes, your gaming computer will somehow need to be connected for that first time.

[Jonp382]

Shiratori wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

Raven Snow wrote...

I do not have internet access. At All. To use the internet I have to use my mums computer, and it's simply not capable of running games.

My Question: This 1 time online check, that needs internet... It means that I HAVE to have internet to play DAII, right???

*whines*

You only have to activate once. Ask your mum if she can allow you access to the internet on your computer long enough to activate your game.

That won't work.  It has to be activated on each computer you install it on.  Having it activated on mom's computer only means mom's computer can then play it.  If it's installed to another PC (which it can be), then it has to be activated on that PC so yes, your gaming computer will somehow need to be connected for that first time.

I meant for Raven Snow to hook his/her computer up to the internet temporarily in place of his/her mum's computer. That will work.

[Shiratori]

Aye, that would indeed work.

[Eurypterid]

Fernando Melo wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...
    If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play.

Chris, what does the above mean? Does this mean if you're on-line you have to be logged into your account in-game in order to play (i.e. you can't log out of your account and play if you're connected to the internet)?

No.  To avoid confusion let's separate the terms online/offline to refer to a general active internet connection on your PC, whereas logging in/out is meant for either the "starting the game up" prompt (on first time startup), or the in-game login prompt on the main menu - so there are two separate login prompts (both use the same account though).

Once you've done your one-time check on the "starting the game up" prompt, then you're done from that side (won't ask you again).  Similar to Steam however, if you have an active internet connection then when the game starts up it'll do a check in the background.  The difference is that you can be offline/no internet after the first time and it'll simply default to let you play (essentially an auto-offline mode, no request needed from your part).

The in-game login on main menu is separate thing, and is used for the one-time DLC authorization, or if you want to have character profile updates to this site - but similarly, after the one-time DLC check, you can play logged out as well.

Let me know if that clarified (or confused more)?

That cleared it up nicely. Thanks, Fernando.

[Dubya75]

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I particularly like the fact that there's no disk check any more. Thanks Bioware!

[brownybrown]

Dragon Age 2 Release Control (non-Steam versions)

Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country.



I live in Japan, Im ordering the game via hong kong mail order.

It will come around the 11th I assume but i cant seem to find any retail release date for Japan.,

EA's Japan site doesnt even offer DA2 for pre sale.

When will I be able to play?

thanks

[BWBamboo]

Sounds very reasonable, I just hope sales reward the approach.

Nevertheless, people that make purchases of a product with DRM attached are stupid mugs.All it takes is for people in significant numbers to say NO !

People that buy a product with DRM are people who a) want to play games and do not want to acquire them illegally. Games will always be pirated in significant numbers no matter the DRM; the less people buy it because of DRM, the higher the pirated percentage and the fiercer the DRM on the next game

[Skilled Seeker]

Sweet, thank you very much Bioware. Please don't follow the path of the fools at Ubisoft.

[xThunderblazex]

Zigzaggy wrote...



One finds although DRM should be completely illegal.....as we must endure it I find this is least intrusive.

However ..Proving I own the game legally is done at the till of the store I purchase from.What really concerns me is although many people have fast broadband....they are still MANY, MANY people that do not have internet access ( two of my children for example) . As this is a single player stand alone game it shouldn't but has ruled them out of playing it...my bills are so high atm and the cutbacks taking place mean I too may have to terminate my contract with my ISP ( I assume it will be the same for others in the UK ) So it rules me out from a purchase too for the moment.

I understand people are happy about the DRM appearing somewhat reasonable.Nevertheless, people that make purchases of a product with DRM attached are stupid mugs.All it takes is for people in significant numbers to say NO !

I sincerely hope at some point in the near future my fellow man/woman wakes up.Continuing to purchase will ensure that DRM never crawls back into the slime it came from.

I do not mind a company protecting it's IP...but it should require them to invest along the lines of encyption rather than constantly infringe upon the rights of consumers.

I have to visit nefarious websites to ensure that I can remove the DRM (which I always do)before I can make a purchase. It's sad that I have to do that.It's also sad that our children grow familiar from an early age with breaking many laws which are increasingly infringing upon our rights.But that is another conversation.

Well done Bioware ..at least it is a step in the right direction.

Lots of game developers are against any form of DRM as well, but their publishers may force it on them.

If you check out the developers of Witcher II, they actually say they are against all forms of DRM; however, their publisher wants DRM...but they said if it's ridiculous, they would rather break their contract than force it upon their players.

In Bioware's case, we all know who really pushes the DRM and who says they don't want it to be a major annoyance to players.

DRM is sort of silly though, pirates always defeat it, even if it uses Steamworks. Only hurts legit customers.

[Steve2911]

Just wondering if there's any chance that disk versions can be linked to my Steam account? Through code or profile or something? I know I can put it on Steam anyway, but I'd like to have my playtime, achievements and such logged no matter which version I bought (which plenty of games are doing these days). I'd just order the Steam version, but I pre-ordered the Signature Edition from retail and would rather not downgrade that.