945 réponses à ce sujet

[Altorius]

Man I hope you guys are right and I can load my save from DA:O even IF its registered to another account then what I am playing DA2 on . I know it may not (as far as i know) make a big difference in story. But I still want to be able to take advantage of what I can from it .

[Snowship]

ushae wrote...
No disc = Win
1 time login = Win

+1

[Kandid001]

Thank you for this.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Aesieru wrote...


Like I said... I will be unable to play because I don't have the internet...

Not everyone has the internet when they install games... I've gone through many a internet outages where I played games and at times INSTALLED games...

Then... how are you making this post on the forums? You do realize you are using the internet? Outages happen, yes... but worst case scenario you have a outage on March 8th, and cant play for a few hours.

[Hoest]

This is great. Thank you Bioware!

[sevalaricgirl]

Excellent. I'm glad they fixed that little offline issue.

[bansama]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 Release Control (non-Steam versions)

• Does not use securom.
• It does not install anything to the PC.
• Sole purpose is to check with a server to validate whether the game release date has passed or not.
• It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed.
• You will not be able to play until that date has passed.
• Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country

So what about those of us who live in Japan and have pre-ordered English language versions online from a non-Steam source? Are you saying we will have to wait a year or so before we can play the English version of the game? If so, that's not cool and certainly not acceptable.

[Eurypterid]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...


Like I said... I will be unable to play because I don't have the internet...

Not everyone has the internet when they install games... I've gone through many a internet outages where I played games and at times INSTALLED games...

Then... how are you making this post on the forums? You do realize you are using the internet? Outages happen, yes... but worst case scenario you have a outage on March 8th, and cant play for a few hours.

You're making the huge (and likely erroneous) assumption that Aesieru is posting from his/her home. Therea re plenty of other places where people can access the internet without being at home (libraries, work, friends' or relatives' houses, etc.)

[uglor808]

yeah, i know many people who don't have internet connected to their home computer. many use their smartphones or tablets to go online, and some even carry cheap netbooks and use free wifi offered at many locations here. not to mention work or the library...

[BENIICHAT]

Thanks for Info Chris. and Thanks to Bioware & EA



Can't wait to see Dragon Age II SE in my hand.

[Mariquis]

Wow : ) Just came in to say this is really reasonable. I may be moving away from home soon, and likely won't be able to afford internet/cable, so I was quite worried that my dragon age-ing would be on hold for a year or so. So, thank you so much for the revision : )

[Sylvius the Mad]

Eurypterid wrote...

You're making the huge (and likely erroneous) assumption that Aesieru is posting from his/her home. Therea re plenty of other places where people can access the internet without being at home (libraries, work, friends' or relatives' houses, etc.)

Phones.

Many people now have all the internet connectivity they need through their phones.  Facebook, Twitter, forums, Wikipedia, news sites  - they all work on phones.

[Fernando Melo]

Thanks for the feedback.  I spotted more questions, so onward...sorry for another long post. :innocent:

[quote]ghostmessiah202 wrote...
Chris - If there is a midnight sale of DA2 will the game allow us to authenticate it after midnight on the release date or will we be forced to install it but not be able to play it until 9am 3/8. (Preference is 12:00am 3/8)[/quote]

This is actually something I'm working on right now - I'll confirm for sure, but the intention is to set the local unlock time to midnight+1min on the local release day per country.  So in this case you should be able to get home and start to play.


[quote]mjharper wrote...
I'll rephrase my earlier question: If I've bought DAII from an American online store (gametreemac), but I live in Germany, will it activate on the American street date (8 March), or the German (11 March)?
[/quote]

I believe in this case you wouldn't be able to play until the German street date on the 11th.  I can try to find out from the gametree folks, but even if their site is not region locked and allowed the download as if you were in the US, I think the game's own release control would check for the local (German) date.


[quote]brownybrown wrote...
Dragon Age 2 Release Control (non-Steam versions)
Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country.
I live in Japan, Im ordering the game via hong kong mail order.
It will come around the 11th I assume but i cant seem to find any retail release date for Japan.,
EA's Japan site doesnt even offer DA2 for pre sale.
When will I be able to play?
thanks[/quote]

Part of what I'm working out right now is what happens in countries such as Japan and elsewhere that we do not have an official release date yet.  I'll resolve that next and will inform you guys here on the site before we launch - but barring any issues I would hope to allow for the unlock either on the US or EU date depending on the country.



[quote]Aesieru wrote...
Like I said... I will be unable to play because I don't have the internet...

Not everyone has the internet when they install games... I've gone through many a internet outages where I played games and at times INSTALLED games...
[/quote]

Ah, misunderstood - I thought in your original post you mentioned if it happened to go out (I presumed from that, that you had some connectivity even if not great). 

If you do, then this should still work fine - the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor of getting a single brief connection through to make the single check, as opposed to connectivity going down just as a check is happening. 


[quote]Glaucon wrote...
[quote]Jonp382 wrote...
What happens if one of these 'background' checks fails for whatever reason? Or if the internet goes out while we are playing?[/quote]

Worst case scenario is that you lose any in-game progress not saved and will have to reload:  As long as you have made the initial one time check (PC) you should be free to play off line.  You can prevent the repeat checks from occurring by disabling your network connections during before game play -- offline game mode if you like.  That's how understand it.
[/quote]


The game check happens prior to the game launching - so there will not be any issues with in-game progress.  Once you're in the game, you are in and the game drm will not interrupt you.   If it couldn't connect (e.g. internet out) on game startup, but you already had the first check previously, then it would allow you to play (it'll default back to the auto-offline mode).



[quote]slimgrin wrote...
Is there any penalty for playing offline, such as not having access to achievements, or being forced to use an offline account?
I am of course comparing this to SC2's DRM.[/quote]

Nope, the only 'loss' will be no uploads to this site (of achievements, profile pic and stats, etc) - but these will keep updating while playing offline and resume upload/sync next time you are playing while logged into the game (and have the appropriate settings enabled in the game options that opt in to do so). 



[quote]Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Does the game, when making that authentication check in the background, make me wait until it is complete before letting me use the main menu and play the game?

I ask because that's what ME2 did.  It would connect to the Cerberus Network automatically whenever I was online, but it wouldn't let me Load Game or Resume Game or anything while it was doing that.  And if my internet bandwidth was already being used by something, that could take quite a long time.

So, by "in the background" do you mean that the online check won't interfere with me playing the game?  Or do I have to wait for it to finish before I can play the game.[/quote]

The 'in the background' I'm referring to is the game check which happens as part of the game starting up (before even the first intro movies play) and should be super quick - you should not notice delays in getting to the game's intro screens etc. 

Once in the game, logging in could start a number of events - including the login request itself, uploading character updates to this site, downloading the daily news text for cerberus, etc - and while that's happening we're also trying to mount all the DLCs you may have, do any new dlc checks, etc.  Long story short, we can't safely let you start/resume/load into game content until all DLC content is mounted and it is predicated on the previous requests completing - which is the actual delay you're seeing (but not drm related).  DA2 has made progress in simplifying this though, so hopefully we won't see the same level of slow down.


[quote]Steve2911 wrote...
Just wondering if there's any chance that disk versions can be linked to my Steam account? Through code or profile or something? I know I can put it on Steam anyway, but I'd like to have my playtime, achievements and such logged no matter which version I bought (which plenty of games are doing these days). I'd just order the Steam version, but I pre-ordered the Signature Edition from retail and would rather not downgrade that.[/quote]

Unfortunately no, the game keys and accounts are completely separate - you won't be able to transfer achievements or playtime.   But if you have your SE bonus content tied to your EA account, should you get a Steam version of the main game in future and login with the same EA account used while playing the disc SE version, that SE content also will be there for you on the steam version - effectively turning it into an SE.


[quote]Altorius wrote...
[quote]Bann Duncan wrote...
You can import no matter what the acccount of the saves was. Still, how did you buy the game using an account? You have to register the game once you've received it - not now as far as I know.[/quote]

Well I have not yet but I was concerned that If when I download and install the digital copy that I preordered it would be already locked to the EA account that I purchased it on . including pre-order content being unaccessable Etc.

But If you are correct and I can upload my save from my other account it shouldn't be a issue .
[/quote]

Save games are not tied to an account at all (on PC/Mac), so you can not only import from a game you bought or played using a different EA account, you can also grab a friend's save game too for import purposes. 

One thing I'd say however, is I'd recommend keeping everything tied to the same EA account if that makes sense for how you use it (e.g it was largely unintentional to create the 2nd account, or you mainly game on 1 of the accounts anyway).  The reason for this is that other bonuses such as the reward items, and DLCs are also all tied to an account - and you can easily get into a situation where one account has some items, and another account has other items which is a hassle.   If you need help transfering items/games across accounts speak to EA support folks. 


Let me know if there's other info I can provide, and I'll do my best to do so.
F.

Modifié par Fernando Melo, 25 février 2011 - 08:10 .

[Abbbe]

DRM seems completely reasonable.

[biomar]

Bioware, I am very pleased with the DRM requirements! I am especially pleased that I will not need the disc in the drive to play. The potential for a disc check was the biggest factor that was making me hesitant about getting a physical copy instead of buying from Steam. Now I have no regrets!

Please continue to make your DRM this user friendly in the future (especially regarding the disc check!) You've made your game a lot more inviting by taking it easy on the DRM, so I hope it invites a lot more new fans and purchases for you.

Modifié par biomar, 25 février 2011 - 08:35 .

[LadyAlekto]

Ok after the inital post i am glad again i do support steam as a drm

Even like your non-steam methods, unexpected move from a company where ea might **** up



"Good game and Nice shot" *laughs*

[GameBoyish]

Chris Priestly wrote...

• After each new install there is a 1-time online check needed the next time you play, requiring a log in to your EA account to verify game ownership.  If you are a member of these forums, you already have an EA account – just use the same email/password.
• You can play offline thereafter - the game will NOT require any subsequent login checks.  If online, a game ownership check happens each time you play.

:O:O:O:O:O:O

[joriandrake]

"After each new install there is a 1-time online check needed the next time you play, requiring a log in to your EA account to verify game ownership. If you are a member of these forums, you already have an EA account – just use the same email/password."





I have atleast 3 friends who don't have internet access, does this mean they can't even play the game normally or at all if they buy it?

[Togusa]

Glad to know the DRM is not invasive, i just pre-ordered my copy from Amazon

[Unato]

tell your friends to haul their tower over to your place and let them authenticate... hassle yea... but the only way really, or if your phone has the net and can be tethered then you can go over their place and give them internet.

[huwie]

In future maybe Bioware could consider implementing a separate authentication client that people can put on their netbooks in order to pick up a validation token away from their main gaming machine. IIRC, Mount&Blade has something like this, though I don't recall the details of how it works.

Not an issue for me, fortunately, but there do seem to be a number of people for whom it is.

The other point I'd like to make is that validation servers don't necessarily stay around forever, so an indication from Bioware that they will issue a patch to remove the requirement if necessary would be most welcome.

Well done to Bioware, anyway, for coming up with such a relatively unintrusive scheme.

Modifié par huwie, 25 février 2011 - 10:24 .

[Zigzaggy]

Unato wrote...

tell your friends to haul their tower over to your place and let them authenticate... hassle yea... but the only way really, or if your phone has the net and can be tethered then you can go over their place and give them internet.

Really..just really.

huwie wrote...

In future maybe Bioware could consider implementing a separate authentication client that people can put on their netbooks in order to pick up a validation token away from their main gaming machine..

A validation token ?  I validate my copy when I hand over my money at the till.

Maybe in future Bioware and all the other companies involved within the industry can take it at face value..that if they sell 23 million units its a given that those people are genuine and shouldn't be troubled at all.
If the cdkey that accompanies the game disks isn't enough proof of purchase.One has to ask what is the point of implementing it in the first place ?

[kgersen]

ushae wrote...
Why couldn't they have done this so long ago, so many consumers have moved away from PC gaming BECAUSE of SecureRom, 1 login is all you need to verify.

Except that's exactly how most Securom using games works. What Bioware propose as a DRM is exactly what you get with Bioshock 2 (and BS1 since they removed the limits), Crysis Warhead (also since they remove the limit) or most other Securom using games. Securom using games with limited are the exception most of them have unlimited activations.

[GreyLord]

huwie wrote...

In future maybe Bioware could consider implementing a separate authentication client that people can put on their netbooks in order to pick up a validation token away from their main gaming machine. IIRC, Mount&Blade has something like this, though I don't recall the details of how it works.

Not an issue for me, fortunately, but there do seem to be a number of people for whom it is.

The other point I'd like to make is that validation servers don't necessarily stay around forever, so an indication from Bioware that they will issue a patch to remove the requirement if necessary would be most welcome.

Well done to Bioware, anyway, for coming up with such a relatively unintrusive scheme.

I posted another thread specifically asking whether the first patch will have something allow offline machines to be able to work AFTER the release date has worked.  I don't mind them protecting their stuff, especially with the street date. 

However, it IS the big decider of whether I even get the game or not.  I'll get the game on PC if the first patch enables the game to run without me having to try to unhook my gaming rig from one spot to another, guard it, hook it up and relink Internet (you actually have to reset the box and internet when reestablishing a hook up) and then doing it all again to lug it back to it's gaming spot.

If they don't patch it or anything...I suppose I won't buy the PC version.

[kgersen]

Fernando Melo wrote...
...

The new DRM policy is better than before but still the one issue that remain (for me at least) :

Would it, please, be possible to have an official "sunset"/DRM removal plan announced ? for example that the online activation part will be patched out in 1 or 2 years.

Personally I can accept online activation as a mean to protect you from day one piracy, but only if the DRM is removed once the main sale window is finished.