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[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

Awesome. I hate putting the disk in everytime I want to play a game. Awesome news! Bioware

[Tricky_Rich]

kgersen wrote...

ushae wrote...
Why couldn't they have done this so long ago, so many consumers have moved away from PC gaming BECAUSE of SecureRom, 1 login is all you need to verify.

Except that's exactly how most Securom using games works. What Bioware propose as a DRM is exactly what you get with Bioshock 2 (and BS1 since they removed the limits), Crysis Warhead (also since they remove the limit) or most other Securom using games. Securom using games with limited are the exception most of them have unlimited activations.

Err...except that SecuROM as a program, is an evil little rootkit that can destroy your PC!

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Sounds reasonable.

[Knal1991]

I have to say I'm more then satisfied with this, it's probably the best solution I have seen so far in terms of authentication...

[StingingVelvet]

Chris Priestly wrote...

DRM is always a topic of much debate, even internally.  It requires a delicate balance between providing some level of IP protection while minimizing the inconvenience or intrusion to a player’s experience.

But DRM offers you no IP protection, it doesn't work.

Anyway, that aside I am glad to hear the repeated activations are gone.  Thanks for that, and for listening to your customers.

[kgersen]

Tricky_Rich wrote...
Err...except that SecuROM as a program, is an evil little rootkit that can destroy your PC!

I hate securom as much as anybody but it's not a rootkit, not anymore than Steam or any other DRM scheme.

It's a urban legend that originated from some peoples not knowing how rootkit revealer tools work.

[Tricky_Rich]

kgersen wrote...

Tricky_Rich wrote...
Err...except that SecuROM as a program, is an evil little rootkit that can destroy your PC!

I hate securom as much as anybody but it's not a rootkit, not anymore than Steam or any other DRM scheme.

It's a urban legend that originated from some peoples not knowing how rootkit revealer tools work.

SecuROM nestles at the base of your OS, takes over functionality of your PC and has more privileged access to your system, than you do as administrator...in my eyes, that counts as a rootkit.

I've lost a system to it's malicious, interfering ways, particularly with regards to the destruction of the firmware on the DVD drives of my old system, as well as other problems. 

The internet is awash with similar stories. Just becuse it hasn't happened to you, doesn' t mean that it hasn't happened to other people. If your system ever clashes with SecuROM...you'll know about it and it won't be a pleasant story!

Modifié par Tricky_Rich, 25 février 2011 - 02:58 .

[Eurypterid]

Follks, keep in mind this thread is for discussing the DA2 DRM, not SecuROM or other DRM schemes. Let's keep it on topic, please.

Fernando Melo wrote...


The game check happens prior to the game launching - so there will not be any issues with in-game progress.  Once you're in the game, you are in and the game drm will not interrupt you.   If it couldn't connect (e.g. internet out) on game startup, but you already had the first check previously, then it would allow you to play (it'll default back to the auto-offline mode).

If I may, Fernando: what's the point of this background check? If you're not connected to the internet, it defaults to off-line mode. If you are and there are connection problems, it defaults to off-line mode as well. I don't see the point of this recurring check once you've validated. What am I overlooking?

kgersen wrote...

Would it, please, be possible to have an
official "sunset"/DRM removal plan announced ? for example that the
online activation part will be patched out in 1 or 2 years.

Any word on this, Fernando? I'm interested to hear if there are any concrete sunset plans as well.

[slimgrin]

Eurypterid wrote...

If I may, Fernando: what's the point of this background check? If you're not connected to the internet, it defaults to off-line mode. If you are and there are connection problems, it defaults to off-line mode as well. I don't see the point of this recurring check once you've validated. What am I overlooking?

I would like to know this too. I'm a little confused as to why it automatically checks....when you can play in offline mode anyway.

Anyway, it appears to be reasonable, and I'm glad they don't require a constant internet connection. Good move. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 25 février 2011 - 03:30 .

[Oppopji]

I still dislike that it requires any online activation so this is still a point against it for me; I cancelled my Crysis 2 pre-order due to that requiring online activation and stopped considering Dead Space 2 for the same reason. However I will keep my pre-order in this case because I'm looking forward to DA2 a lot more than I was with Crysis 2 (and also because I'm getting the SE).

Would have been nice if EA let us choose at install between disc check or one-time online activation like they did with BFBC2 & MOH though. Or set a deadline for the removal of the DRM (about a year after release would be ideal) so we wouldn't have to worry about not being able to install & play when they shut down the servers.

Tricky_Rich wrote...

SecuROM nestles at the base of your OS, takes over functionality of your PC and has more privileged access to your system, than you do as administrator...in my eyes, that counts as a rootkit.

I've lost a system to it's malicious, interfering ways, particularly with regards to the destruction of the firmware on the DVD drives of my old system, as well as other problems. 

Not always; the specific behavior / features that an implementation of SecuROM uses is decided by the publisher, so it can just be an old-style, "user friendly" disc check if the publisher wants that (and EA actually did that with BFBC2 and MOH). Unfortunately publishers tend to like using the 'strongest' protection available in the false belief that it'll make any difference to piracy rates.

[StingingVelvet]

Eurypterid wrote...

If I may, Fernando: what's the point of this background check? If you're not connected to the internet, it defaults to off-line mode. If you are and there are connection problems, it defaults to off-line mode as well. I don't see the point of this recurring check once you've validated. What am I overlooking?

I would assume that like Steam if you have a connection it will try to make sure you are authorized to play, even if you could play offline.  Just an added security measure to make sure people are not installing the game on all their friend's computer and telling them to play offline.  If one person forgets and signs in then EA will know, for example.

Any word on this, Fernando? I'm interested to hear if there are any concrete sunset plans as well.

Yes, it would be quite nice to hear a firm DRM removal date.  If DRM was always removed something like 2 years after release I would never complain about it.  I think that is a fair compromise between companies wanting DRM and customers wanting their purchases to last forever.

[Eurypterid]

StingingVelvet wrote...

I would assume that like Steam if you have a connection it will try to make sure you are authorized to play, even if you could play offline.  Just an added security measure to make sure people are not installing the game on all their friend's computer and telling them to play offline.  If one person forgets and signs in then EA will know, for example.

I'm doubting it's for that reason, since you can have it activated on 5 different machines in any rolling 24 hour period and there's no limit to how many machines you can install/activate on overall.

[StingingVelvet]

Eurypterid wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

I would assume that like Steam if you have a connection it will try to make sure you are authorized to play, even if you could play offline.  Just an added security measure to make sure people are not installing the game on all their friend's computer and telling them to play offline.  If one person forgets and signs in then EA will know, for example.

I'm doubting it's for that reason, since you can have it activated on 5 different machines in any rolling 24 hour period and there's no limit to how many machines you can install/activate on overall.

Yes, these companies seem to think people just copy the data and send it out though, with thousands of people using one account to try and log on.  That's the reason they block more than a certain number of activations in a certain time period and why Steam checks every time you start a game that you are an authorized user.

The real truth of course is that pirates just remove the DRM and never have to deal with it, but... whatever.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 25 février 2011 - 03:55 .

[Chaos-fusion]

Eurypterid wrote...

kgersen wrote...

Would it, please, be possible to have an official "sunset"/DRM removal plan announced ? for example that the online activation part will be patched out in 1 or 2 years.

Any word on this, Fernando? I'm interested to hear if there are any concrete sunset plans as well.

Or are there any plans at all? Also interested in knowing this.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 25 février 2011 - 04:20 .

[Cozarkian]

I get the feeling this DRM is aimed at the used-game market and not at IP protection. I think an activation limit would have been quite reasonable, as long as the ability to deactivate a computer is provided (like iTunes). Let's be honest, anyone installing the game on more than five computers is sharing it beyond their household.

Well, no skin off my bones, and I love the no-disc check.

[Anzer]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

kgersen wrote...

Would it, please, be possible to have an official "sunset"/DRM removal plan announced ? for example that the online activation part will be patched out in 1 or 2 years.

Any word on this, Fernando? I'm interested to hear if there are any concrete sunset plans as well.

Or are there any plans at all? Also interested in knowing this.

For the sake of everyone who is interested in knowing about this, I am also interested in knowing.

Also, hi Chaos! I haven't told you this in a while, but I love your sig. It has the perfect balance of danger and intrigue.

Modifié par Zalekanzer, 25 février 2011 - 04:44 .

[Hekynn]

Excellent DRM BIOWARE! Glad I got the Steam version Pre Ordered and gtg just have to wait till launch day ahhh!

[hawat333]

Now that's a more friendly DRM, I'll gladly live with that...

... as long as EA servers don't collapse.

[Magonian]

CaolIla wrote...

I don't like it.

I don't want to resell da2, but i want the option. Hell I still have BG, BG TotSC, BG2, BG2 ToB, KotoR, ME, ME2, DA:O and DA:A. It's just that guys like me and probably 90% of the people here in the forum made bioware to the company it is today and now we get treated like third class customers. Back in the days I loved Bioware, but now I just regard them as high as EA, which is just a step above Ubisoft.

Waaaa Waaaaa, i can sing the same song bud but its childish

[Eurypterid]

Magonian wrote...

CaolIla wrote...

I don't like it.

I don't want to resell da2, but i want the option. Hell I still have BG, BG TotSC, BG2, BG2 ToB, KotoR, ME, ME2, DA:O and DA:A. It's just that guys like me and probably 90% of the people here in the forum made bioware to the company it is today and now we get treated like third class customers. Back in the days I loved Bioware, but now I just regard them as high as EA, which is just a step above Ubisoft.

Waaaa Waaaaa, i can sing the same song bud but its childish

The thread's for discussing the DA2 DRM, not for posting insults.

[Andros_Hanarak]

Thanks a ton for this info!

[STARSBarry]

nice bioware have no complaints about the physical copy DRM five computer limit? thats fine il be making use of that.....

[Eledran]

DRM is pretty reasonable.



As for the release date check, I just find it a bit unnecessary to let people wait an additional 3 days if they already got the game in the EU. I can somewhat see why you're doing this (with certain shops giving out the game earlier than others) but it remains irritating.

[Magonian]

[quote]Eurypterid wrote...

[quote]Magonian wrote...

[quote]CaolIla wrote...

I don't like it.

I don't want to resell da2, but i want the option. Hell I still have BG, BG TotSC, BG2, BG2 ToB, KotoR, ME, ME2, DA:O and DA:A. It's just that guys like me and probably 90% of the people here in the forum made bioware to the company it is today and now we get treated like third class customers. Back in the days I loved Bioware, but now I just regard them as high as EA, which is just a step above Ubisoft.[/quote]

Waaaa Waaaaa, i can sing the same song bud but its childish

[/quote]

The thread's for discussing the DA2 DRM, not for posting insults.

Its not an insult.. its fact. More poeple should be thankful for how Bioware is rolling out this game, I also own all their titles and to-date this is fantastic DRM news... thx Bio..!

Modifié par Magonian, 25 février 2011 - 06:38 .

[Eurypterid]

Magonian wrote...

Its not an insult.. its fact.

Posting 'waaa waaa' is insulting. If you like the DRM, by all means tell BioWare you're good with it. But posting 'waaa waaa' and telling people they're childish is insulting. End of discussion.