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 Whelp, I'm officially turning of this game until I can get REAL help. Here's my problems:

1.) Every once in awhile, my ingame screen will either flash completely black or have flashing black bars everywhere. It will flash every .5 of a second, and it gets to the point where I have to look away for fear of having a god damn seizure. It used to be a lot more frequent, but after downloading an updated driver it doesn't happen as often. Exiting to the main menu helps sometimes, other times I have to go back to my desktop.

2.) Geometry. I hated it in school, and I hate it even more now. "What does this have to do with DA:O and your problem?" you might ask. Well, it's because I keep getting these massive geometric patterns that shoot out of characters. They're mostly triangles, but I've seen others. They take up almost the entire screen. They range from white to a full rainbow. About 20 of them stick out of the problem character. I either have to remember to make two saves every five minutes, or reinstall the game when the problem occurs. I wasn't able to play the game for a solid 30 minutes until Thursday. Again, after I had updated my GeForce 8600 graphics card, the problem seemed to disappear. I could handle the occasional flashing, but I can't take finishing 2 of 4 plot quests only to have to restart.

3.) Blackness. Oh lord, the utter blackness. I tilt my camera up, my screen is filled with blackness. I tilt my camera down, my screen is filled with blackness. I zoom out, I zoom in, my screen is filled with blackness. It's enough to make a guy go emo, ya' know.

4.) Ridiculously long installs. Never have I seen a single player game with only 1 optional patch out take 45 minutes to install. Never.

5.) Customer Support. What the hell? I emailed back and forth with this guy for a few days, and he believed he had solved the problem. He said if the problems continued, I need to respond and attach my DxDiag report. I responded. It's been a week.

*Sigh* I just tried to upload some screenies, but it seems Flickr doesn't want to work either.

Modifié par WhiteRaevan, 15 novembre 2009 - 12:30 .


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ack you broke the forums...
k you fixed it and I can read your post now. Um without any specs on teh machine you wont get much help. Unless this is just a rant and youre not actually looking for help that is.

Modifié par dragoaskani, 15 novembre 2009 - 12:31 .


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Have you happened to overclock your graphics card? Are you able to see the temperature it runs at?

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dragoaskani wrote...

ack you broke the forums...
k you fixed it and I can read your post now. Um without any specs on teh machine you wont get much help. Unless this is just a rant and youre not actually looking for help that is.


Yeah lol. That was me trying to post some screenshots. Didn't work out so well.

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Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.               
System Model: Dimension 8400               
Processor: Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.40GHz (2 CPUs)Memory: 2046MB RAMPage File: 379MB used, 3562MB available 
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

DxDiag Notes
 DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.     
 Display Tab 1: No problems found.       
 Sound Tab 1: No problems found.        
 Music Tab: No problems found.         
 Input Tab: No problems found.       
 Network Tab: No problems found.

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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT 

Modifié par WhiteRaevan, 15 novembre 2009 - 12:40 .


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Behaviour like you explained could very well be caused by an overheating/too much overclocked graphics card.

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Wintermist wrote...

Behaviour like you explained could very well be caused by an overheating/too much overclocked graphics card.


My card isn't overclocked, nor has it ever been. I don't know why it would suddenly start overheating either. Everything else runs great.

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I'll concur with the above. The things you describe are associated with an overheating or faulty GPU. Firstly I'd ipen the case and see if the gpu fan is running ( don't laugh, I have nealy £1000 worth of cards in a draw all with dead fans )
If you are sure it is running then find a program to monitor your gpu temperature as you play. Play the game and of it'd a temperature issue you will have a record of that.
I'm fairly sure that will be the case but if not, rule that out first then come back here.

Modifié par ZootCadillac, 15 novembre 2009 - 12:45 .


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Any chance of a full DirectX?

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JironGhrad

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WhiteRaevan wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

Behaviour like you explained could very well be caused by an overheating/too much overclocked graphics card.


My card isn't overclocked, nor has it ever been. I don't know why it would suddenly start overheating either. Everything else runs great.


Maybe your fans are clogged with dust... 8400s are fairly old systems;  (I'm a certified Dell Tech, the Dimension 8400 model was released from 2004-2005) and that CPU is a single core hyperthreaded which isn't officially supported by the game.

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Well, before I post the MASSIVE amount of text from the DxDiag, my GPU temp is 70C. I'm gonna go ahead and say that's bad

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WhiteRaevan wrote...

Well, before I post the MASSIVE amount of text from the DxDiag, my GPU temp is 70C. I'm gonna go ahead and say that's bad


That's from just running desktop or in game?

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Time of this report: 11/7/2009, 20:41:00

Machine name: HOUSER-F719F137

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)

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System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.

System Model: Dimension 8400

BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A08

Processor: Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.40GHz (2 CPUs)

Memory: 2046MB RAM

Page File: 379MB used, 3562MB available

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DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.

Display Tab 1: No problems found.

Sound Tab 1: No problems found.

Music Tab: No problems found.

Input Tab: No problems found.

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Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll

Driver Version: 6.14.0011.9038 (English)

DDI Version: 9 (or higher)

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Registry: OK

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another thing that occurred to me, when you put the 8600 GT in there... did you also upgrade the PSU? I did a GPU upgrade for my parents' Dimension 8400 a year and a half ago and the PSU wasn't really up to par and needed to be replaced to put in much better

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What you can try is make sure there's no dust inside your computer and see if that helps you, especially on the graphics card. Apart from that you don't have much video ram on your card either, which is rather limiting for games of today.

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JironGhrad wrote...

another thing that occurred to me, when you put the 8600 GT in there... did you also upgrade the PSU? I did a GPU upgrade for my parents' Dimension 8400 a year and a half ago and the PSU wasn't really up to par and needed to be replaced to put in much better


That's normally a good point but the voltage to drive an 8600 comes via the picie bus and is available (even off-load) to the slot regardless. You should never have an issue with that card in any system which has a slot for it.

A larger card and further draws on the supply would be different. Dell are notorious for their poor quality, low priced internals. ( as I'm sure you know )

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Yeah and the problem has been found, it was overheating.

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ZootCadillac wrote...

JironGhrad wrote...

another thing that occurred to me, when you put the 8600 GT in there... did you also upgrade the PSU? I did a GPU upgrade for my parents' Dimension 8400 a year and a half ago and the PSU wasn't really up to par and needed to be replaced to put in much better


That's normally a good point but the voltage to drive an 8600 comes via the picie bus and is available (even off-load) to the slot regardless. You should never have an issue with that card in any system which has a slot for it.

A larger card and further draws on the supply would be different. Dell are notorious for their poor quality, low priced internals. ( as I'm sure you know )


Do 8600's not have a separate power plug in? I've not had an NVidia GPU since I swapped my old 64mb GeForce2 Ultra out for the X1650 Pro I'm using now, I know Dell tends to lean toward ATI in their desktop models and their PSU's are really not suited to upgraded hardware (actually... Dell generally seems to have issues with upgrading)

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No @JironGhrad it takes it's power from the slot even the two factory OC xfx 8600GT's I have in a drawer here are not externally powered. The 8800 series does require a 6 pin picie feed from a preferably independent 12v rail

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Good to know Zoot... it's probably dust then (if bought when it first came out it'd still be almost 3 years since the last time he cracked the case)

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Why is everyone obsessed with overclocking..lol I've tried this overclocking and underclocking on this product, and I can assure you this will not make a blind bit of difference to ppls lag/crash issues.... My System has had new hardware, new opertaing system, new everything in the past 24 hours in order to overcome this serious lag issue with the game. Checked and unchecked flags, changed cmos settings etc;



Are you all aware that DA:O installs and loads up the physx engine regardless of gfx card installed. Im runnning an Saphires ATI Radeon 4870 HD gfx card, and it certainy does not have a Physx engine!!!!! so If the game loads it, what impact is that having onthe cards that dont use it!



Also have tested internet connectivity first thought was that something was continually being updated, no way hosey....



Dumb Struck, its the weekend, perhaps the issues should be categorised as Crash or Lag, and wait for the ppl who can do something about this!



Inviting ppl to overclock their cards or cpu is proposterous and dangerous to say the very least!

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Dude, I think you need to read through all of this one more time, then think about what it said, then come back and say: OMG, I read it all wrong.

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Paxul wrote...

Why is everyone obsessed with overclocking..lol I've tried this overclocking and underclocking on this product, and I can assure you this will not make a blind bit of difference to ppls lag/crash issues.... My System has had new hardware, new opertaing system, new everything in the past 24 hours in order to overcome this serious lag issue with the game. Checked and unchecked flags, changed cmos settings etc;

Are you all aware that DA:O installs and loads up the physx engine regardless of gfx card installed. Im runnning an Saphires ATI Radeon 4870 HD gfx card, and it certainy does not have a Physx engine!!!!! so If the game loads it, what impact is that having onthe cards that dont use it!

Also have tested internet connectivity first thought was that something was continually being updated, no way hosey....

Dumb Struck, its the weekend, perhaps the issues should be categorised as Crash or Lag, and wait for the ppl who can do something about this!

Inviting ppl to overclock their cards or cpu is proposterous and dangerous to say the very least!


all I can say is: WTF?Image IPB

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Every thread i've read in the past 24 hours on this forum, bu a number of ppl normally the same faces, all have suggested that the customer with issues should in some way modify the processor and/or gpu processors by overclocking, and no i have not read any of this wrong!

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nobody has said overclock... if you mean "processor affinity" that just tells your CPU to run the game on only 1 of the cores which stops it from playing "pass the application" which may be causing the slowdown for the users.

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Paxul wrote...

Every thread i've read in the past 24 hours on this forum, bu a number of ppl normally the same faces, all have suggested that the customer with issues should in some way modify the processor and/or gpu processors by overclocking, and no i have not read any of this wrong!


Then think again, Bucko. All that has been said about overclocking in this thread was a mere question if he HAD overclocked and that the problems he described was symptoms that can occur BY overclocking or overheating.

So, take a chill pill, don't smoke anymore and get out of here.