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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Tassiaw wrote...

I'm reminded of the George Sodini murder-suicide in Pittsburgh a few months back. Watching these comments about "Nice Guys" and such. Sodini felt he was a nice guy, and that women owed him everything. He thought that because he had a successful career, was physically fit and moderately attractive, that he deserved "hot ****es." His thinly veiled hatred of women drove them away, he was deep down a very angry and bitter misogynist. his dark and twisted ramblings via his blog were scary, but should be a real eye-opener for "Nice Guys" everywhere. Look how George Sodini's story ended. He went to a gym where he shot and killed multiple women, innocent women, because he felt that our gender owed him this blood for his loneliness and misdirected anger.

I remember reading about that guy and saw it on the news, but never knew that was his motives.

Ask yourself, how many of rapists, serial killers, mass murderers and such are in a happy relationship with a woman? Im guessing less than 1 percent.

The problem itself is an evil circle, they expect to get a girl because they think they deserve it, and therefore dont get one and redirect their anger on the very thing they are so close to but can never get. Not to defend them but, that must be like living in a nightmare.

Doomed from the start never to be happy, to be so close to all you ever wanted and never to be able to reach out for it. How can living like that ever have a happy ending for anyone - be it yourself or others?

Alistairs personality in the game is so close to the guy i was when i was younger that it scares me, but what really scares me is about that monster i just quoted you on. To fall that far, i dont think anyone wants that to happen but how can you avoid such fate?

I guess the true evil is pride, not being able to selfcriticise yourself and change. And admit YOU are the problem and not them. But its not that easy... the game planescape torment have a very simple philosophical question that goes "What can change the nature of a man?" 

How can you do to realisticly change yourself for the better? And will you then just be fake and someone else entirely, or will you still claim to be the same person?

[Lukertin]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...
How can you do to realisticly change yourself for the better? And will you then just be fake and someone else entirely, or will you still claim to be the same person?

Oh, come off it now,  I usually try to keep my sadness pent up inside where it can fester quietly as a mental illness.

[Phex]

Wow, this has gone from Alistair's hotness to a nice guy debate? I'm not going to take part in that, but I just wanted to express my hopeless nerd crush on him as well. I haven't removed him from my party at all since I met him, I couldn't imagine myself traveling without his funny one-liners.

[Never]

I tried to leave him out on my second play through so I could get to know some of the other party members... but I just can't!

[Yorleen]

Sounds like one of Criminal Minds scenarios... I find it both really scary and yet somehow facinating to see how sometimes a basically "normal" mind can evolve into something "evil"... I suppose some persons may be predestinated to this but for some others, it will just take very bad blows from life... Creepy knowing the human mind can completely "bug" and one may change into a "monster" this way...

As for Alistair fitting to the real world, I dunno... I sometimes wonder what I'm doing here so I would happily planewalk to fantasy realms, was it possible... Wish I may travel with him then...

[Dream Warden]

Its really all very simple:



There are good guys and good girls out there, aswell as there are bad guys and bad girls.



Since bad qualities are rewarded in the short term, bad boys and bad girls tend to get what they (think) they want shortterm. But they live a shallow existence, spending their energies inventing themselves daily and just dont get the substance out of life, the one you can only find if you ground yourself in yourself. Bad boys and bad girls deserves eachother.



Good boys and girls have the potential to live very fruitful, meaningful lives, so dont turn bitter. Patience and some stoic humour will get you by while you wait, and if you remain true to yourself you will be rewarded with a depth of existance that bad, shallow people just never will be able to experience.



About nice-niceguys, I do however believe the same applies to women. How many of you girls in here belive yourselves to be nice girls? If you do, then you probably arent (since you are here complaining about it). Emotionally needy, unsatisfiable, ignorant, unempathical and egoist are not good qualities, and nice boys who stay true to themselves will avoid you ofcourse. The only boys you will meet are the bad ones, and if they are good at what they do, they will identify your desire for nice boys and pretend thus.

[Walina]

KalliChan07 wrote...

So, come on... Alistair, marry me!

This character has to be the best character I've experienced in a game so far!  David Gaider, you are a rockstar.  I've no idea how you can roll adorable, cute, sexy, clumsy, handsome, and hilarious all into one character but you did... and I want to give you the -biggest- hug for it!

I can't help but to say... I'm so going to be writing a massive fanfiction for this character (dependant on a particular ending of course, but no spoilers here ).

Thanks so much again BioWare... I now want to have pixelated babies with the ever so sexy and adorable Alistair ~


(>^-^)> ~~~~~~~~~~ <(^-^<)

So far I know you can't marry him without a "sacrifice", I read a guide about it in the spoiler forum.
It really pissed me of to know that because is really not logical.

My mage went ater Alistair mostly because Zevran is scary by the way he is thinking but she understand why he is like that and she hope that he will regain some morals. She hope that Zevran will understand that he is not a tool or a sex toy but a friend for her that she will always treat with respect and not make him things that he doesn't want to (all depend if the writers made the effort to do that)


I liked how the writers made the romance with Alistair, how he came to my mage by himself because my mage didn't try to seduce him, he was the one That's why I am against most people who said Alistair can't make choices, it's not true with my mage and if that happen, he will tell his support, so for me he is not a chicken.


I can't see Alistair with someone who is not a female mage because they share so much things : both of them don't have a family, both grew up in some school (Chantrie and Templar) and they both became grey warden without really being asked. They just share the same scars of he past and it's normal for them to wish to be happy and having them being in love is so sweet.


Though, writers have to make things sad in the end so I really hate the endings!
But I like the game

Modifié par Walina, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:34 .

[oceloteyes]

I know! I can't leave him out, either. I keep trying to find room in the remaining 2 slots for the other characters. Usually I bring Morrigan in one of those slots, because I enjoy her banter with Alistair



But I haven't gotten to know Sten or Leliana or Zevran much at all (aside from checking out Zevran's tent just that once )

[Lukertin]

mynameisdanza wrote...
I tried to leave him out on my second play through so I could get to know some of the other party members... but I just can't!

I imagine 4 playthroughs is a small price to play to ensure a full helping of Alistair.  That's roughly 150 hours!

Time to e-dance!
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[Darker_homes]

Heh, sorry for joining this topic late, couldn't actually be bothered reading all 9 pages, so i'm just gonna summarise some things i've discovered about alistair.



1st off I'm gonna say I havn't completed the game yet, been quite busy with Uni stuff.



He is probably one of the greatest characters ever made He is funny, quick witted, he loves to banter, and he has a very interesting background (which i am not going to go into, just incase anyone on here is even further behind than i am ). He reminds me of a character in one of my fav series of books, Jonmarc Vahanian in the chronicles of the necromancer series. If anyone has read these books, you will realise that they are actually nothing alike, however i fell totally in love with Vahanian He was my favourite character in any medium till now. It is now a coin toss



I read a hell of alot, so the have to pick a fav character is a big thing



A side note to all the ladies out there, I am a really nice guy Tho i do know what everyone was saying at the beginning of this topic, nice guys do finish last. Women see me more as a friend because I am always there for them Sucks, but ah well



Gonna go play the game now

[Lukertin]

Darker_homes wrote...
A side note to all the ladies out there, I am a really nice guy Tho i do know what everyone was saying at the beginning of this topic, nice guys do finish last. Women see me more as a friend because I am always there for them Sucks, but ah well

Of course nice guys finish last.  They are considerate and make sure the woman finishes first.

[Never]

Haha, such a gentleman.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Of course nice guys finish last.  They are considerate and make sure the woman finishes first.

Haha good one. My friend also told me "Good guys dont finnish last, they finnish in the shower" Guess theres no lack of jokes about it.

[Walina]

A side note to all the ladies out there, I am a really nice guy Tho
i do know what everyone was saying at the beginning of this topic, nice
guys do finish last. Women see me more as a friend because I am always
there for them Sucks, but ah well

It's the same for girls trust me

Well, here is an advice if you would like to stop being just a friend, just ake your courage like Alistair and say some sweet stuffs in important moments and don't just stand by her side by being supporting her. You don't have to delcare your love immediatly, no she will probably run away or if you're fortunate she will respond to your feelings or remain your friend.

[Lukertin]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...
Guess theres no lack of jokes about it.

That's what she said.  To you.

[Darker_homes]

Walina wrote...

A side note to all the ladies out there, I am a really nice guy Tho
i do know what everyone was saying at the beginning of this topic, nice
guys do finish last. Women see me more as a friend because I am always
there for them Sucks, but ah well

It's the same for girls trust me

Well, here is an advice if you would like to stop being just a friend, just ake your courage like Alistair and say some sweet stuffs in important moments and don't just stand by her side by being supporting her. You don't have to delcare your love immediatly, no she will probably run away or if you're fortunate she will respond to your feelings or remain your friend.

Hehe, thanks for the heads up darlin I'll try that some time, and let you know how it goes

[Ischkwezrn]

I don't get why people have started to talk about nice and bad girls and boys. If there is one thing DA teaches us, then it is that everything is in slightly different shades of grey instead of being nice or bad... :3

[Lukertin]

Ischkwezrn wrote...
I don't get why people have started to talk about nice and bad girls and boys. If there is one thing DA teaches us, then it is that everything is in slightly different shades of grey instead of being nice or bad... :3

I would have hoped life experiences taught us the shades of gray lesson.

[Never]

So true.

[Ultramongoose]

I'm a guy and I freaking love Alistair!

Best character I've ever come across in a game, seriously. I will honestly be like depressed in real life if something bad happens to him somewhere along the storyline. What a guy!

[Yorleen]

So far I know you can't marry him without a "sacrifice", I read a guide about it in the spoiler forum.
It really pissed me of to know that because is really not logical.

Haven't been that far yet... but if the ending is gonna be a heartbreak, I'm going to want to have it change... Haven't been reading much about the toolset yet, wonder if one can mod the official campaign...?

I'm taking notes of every moment I think Alistair should have been telling something when he's in a strong relation with the PC and he did not, or when the PC should be allowed additional answers...

I don't want to give spoilers so I will just mention Wynne's discussion starting with "Alistair's doe eyes for the PC"... What she said upsetted my elven mage and she got angry inside even if she didn't really showed it but she couldn't help thinking of her words as she values Wynne's advice and it broke a bit of her heart... I can imagine her rushing to her tent afterwards to hide bitter tears... I checked to see if I was able to speak more with Wynne about it, to show her my (well, Yorleen's) point of view... and how it is thanks to her love for Alistair that she got the strengh and will to do what she does to fight the Darkspawn and the rest but you couldn't developp this with her... I was really upset afterwards and felt frustrated so I wrote a dialog down... I wouldn't let her know though that Yorleen may well forsake her Grey Warden duties for the one she loves as I think this is exactly what Wynne was on about... But then, how would she feel afterwards if people died because of her, because she sort of abandonned them? I want of course to resume playing to see what happens next but a part of me is dreading it, should I be confronted to my nightmare...

[Walina]

But I haven't gotten to know Sten or Leliana or Zevran much at all (aside from checking out Zevran's tent just that once )

Sthen : I can't like that guy, mostly because of the reason why he ended captured and that he can't be a friend of a female because of how his country is ruled.

Leliana : I came to like her and consider her as a lovely friend who just like life and nice things. I know, she is a bit annoying with her religion but that's just a mask. She need that mask to beleive that life has a bright side. She is not that nut ^^

Zevran : I didn't like him at the begining, he was an assassin and he like to be one. But, when you keep talking to him, you realize that it's maybe the better way he had to "survive" in Antiva by accepting his life otherwise he will not be alive now :\\\\\\\\
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@Yorleen  : I understand of you felt and I did though the same way and almost had my mage to refuse to Alistair but I couldn't even knowing what will happen in the end. you can talk again to Wynne and ask her if she changed her point of view, she did with me even if you feel that she may be not honest.

I really have to admit that I began to feel to write a fanfiction about how the ending should have been if you your character is in love with Alistair but unfortunally my english is not enough good. I pity so much my mage and make me want her t g out with Zevran instead, less pain maybe ?...
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@ Ischkwezrn : I disagree because so far i played, I never felt that I was siding with the bad guys. You can play the hero of justice without problems if you don't accepts some side quests which can make you do bad things but it's okay since they have zero influence on the story, just with your morals (Till you make at the end of the game of course and scream "SCREW YOU WRITERS !")

Modifié par Walina, 15 novembre 2009 - 02:14 .

[Yorleen]

I believe it would be possible to find native English-speaking girls (or boys) willing to help correcting such a story... Sadly English isn't my mother tongue neither, I'm French, like you (just checked your profile).



Oh dear... For the past days I've been living Yorleen's life... I'm going to feel really down if the love story ends badly...

[Lukertin]

Walina wrote...
I really have to admit that I began to feel to write a fanfiction about how the ending should have been if you your character is in love with Alistair but unfortunally my english is not enough good.

You could always find an editor to fix the little things (:

[Blackwidow__]

OP has to be a 12 year old girl, but still........../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png

Modifié par Blackwidow__, 15 novembre 2009 - 02:22 .