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[Pwener2313]

Im posting this in a new thread because I don't want to de-rail the "Arrival" DLC thread.

So a lot has been going on over at the DLc thread and a lot of actual reasonable things seem to be popping up there. It has reached the point that a concrete reason for the Illusive achievement to exist. I think that Shepard ends up being captured or more likely surrenders himself to the Batarians in the end of the DLC to ensure the Dr. escapes. Like a trade between them since the Dr. seems to have an awful lot of knowledge and the Batarians must have kidnapped her for a reason.

This could be an excellent reason to cut Shepard off from the Team/Cerberus/Alliance (everyone actually). ME3 could then start as a prison escape (remember what Zaeed said: The only way to escape a Batarian prison is to bash you're head on the wall or kill everyone between you and the exit) where Shepard is busted out by Kaidan/Ashley as way to redeem him/herself after abandoning Shepard in Horizon.

Character creation and reconstruction can be implemented here very nicely. Any thoughts?

[Gentleman Moogle]

I could go with a jailbreak... It's slightly reminiscent of the Baldur's Gate II deal where you break out of Irenicus' dungeon. I only have two issues with it; the first: We're not sure if this will be the only DLC before the release. I'm kinda hoping it's not.



Second issue is a trivial one: Batarians just don't strike me as being enough of a BAMF to hold Shepard. We've practically ripped through everything the gangs in Terminus threw at us, I just have trouble treating Batarian anything as a credible threat. Especially since my Shep is a war hero who held off the Bats single-handedly.



But yeah, give me a credible bad guy, and I'd have no trouble with it.

[282xvl]

Cool concept but I doubt ME3's beginning would be designed as DLC-dependent.

[Pwener2313]

282xvl wrote...

Cool concept but I doubt ME3's beginning would be designed as DLC-dependent.

Yeah, but this DLC seems to be important. "Object Rho" and the arrrival of the Reapers? Yeah, this has to be the final DLC and a bonus start mission for those that have it imported it. it doesn't seem relevant to the overral plot so it can be a little bone for loyal fans.

[Sajuro]

I will only sacrifice Ashley if it involves leaving her with a nuke.

[Zulu_DFA]

I always thought that "Captured by the Batarians" could be a viable variant of the "imprisonment" scenario. But it's not an "ultimate sacrifice".



Plus the idea of a "last stand" involves multiple deaths (classical example - the finale of Saving Private Ryan). That's why I think that "Arrival" is going to be like a "suicide mission" all over again. With the possibility of multiple squadmates dying plot deaths. Like 1 squadmate per wave in "the battle for Object Rho". Alternatively, if Shepard (player) choses to withdraw without standing against all the 5 waves, someone else is going to be the "ultimate sacrifice" (Dr. Kenson, the VS, a crowd of unnamed civilians, etc.)

[Pwener2313]

So the only person in the galaxy who can stop the Reapers being captured by a homicidal evil race of terrorists isn't an ultimate sacrifice? Huh..... (sarcasm times infiniti).

EDIT: Unnamed civilians? Wut!? NO! And if the team survived the Collector Base, how can a bunch of dirty Batarians be a match? like Grunt said; "If you kill the most dangerous thing in he galaxy, that leaves...."

Modifié par Pwener2313, 25 février 2011 - 03:29 .

[Mulluns]

I'ma gonna leave this here. Friend found it, and I hope I don't get in trouble for posting it.

Of course, it's slightly spoiler for the DLC... if it's true...





http://i93.photobuck.../talifuuuuu.jpg




Again, click on your own accord... and still don't know if it's true or false... but looks legit.

[Pwener2313]

Mulluns wrote...

I'ma gonna leave this here. Friend found it, and I hope I don't get in trouble for posting it.

Of course, it's slightly spoiler for the DLC... if it's true...





http://i93.photobuck.../talifuuuuu.jpg




Again, click on your own accord... and still don't know if it's true or false... but looks legit.

Talimancers everywhere are gonna be pissed. Very funny spoof anyway.

+1 internetz


Another way:

Shepard: "Thane is dying, take him!"

Modifié par Pwener2313, 25 février 2011 - 03:42 .

[skcm]

Mulluns wrote...

Again, click on your own accord... and still don't know if it's true or false... but looks legit.

but-- Nyxeris?!  HOW DID YOU---

CERBERUS, gimme some of that cash.  I know you did it.

[Mulluns]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Mulluns wrote...

I'ma gonna leave this here. Friend found it, and I hope I don't get in trouble for posting it.

Of course, it's slightly spoiler for the DLC... if it's true...





http://i93.photobuck.../talifuuuuu.jpg




Again, click on your own accord... and still don't know if it's true or false... but looks legit.

Talimancers everywhere are gonna be pissed. Very funny spoof anyway.

+1 internetz

LOL I'm a Talimancer of sort, and I dread this decision if it's only her.

And if it is... well, I think alot of people will die in Mass Effect 3. >__>

[LeVaughnX]

Damn Arcturus! Mass Effect 3 should be renamed to "Mass Effect - The Dream Team - Tali, Garrus, Zaeed"

[Xephyr829]

I support this. It would make a great opening for ME3, and I think this could be something that might make Shep snap. Maybe the Batarians tortured him/her for a couple years or something

[Sajuro]

Mulluns wrote...

I'ma gonna leave this here. Friend found it, and I hope I don't get in trouble for posting it.

Of course, it's slightly spoiler for the DLC... if it's true...





http://i93.photobuck.../talifuuuuu.jpg




Again, click on your own accord... and still don't know if it's true or false... but looks legit.

Though I don't know what that would have to do with the DLC unless we are going all over the galaxy.

[Zulu_DFA]

Pwener2313 wrote...

So the only person in the galaxy who can stop the Reapers being captured by a homicidal evil race of terrorists isn't an ultimate sacrifice? Huh..... (sarcasm times infiniti).

EDIT: Unnamed civilians? Wut!? NO! And if the team survived the Collector Base, how can a bunch of dirty Batarians be a match? like Grunt said; "If you kill the most dangerous thing in he galaxy, that leaves...."

"Ultimate sacrifice" is an euphemism for "Killed In Action". It's settled expresiion, no way around it. Except that the person in question is just "presumed" KIA, but not actually is... But that'd be a bit old.

As for the tenacity of the Batarians, I can hardly doubt it. They must be the toughest sons of bitсhes in the Galaxy. Next to the Alliance Marines, of course. And, naturally, Shepard's team will be attacked by the most elite units, and in very great numbers.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 février 2011 - 04:16 .

[Sajuro]

Boo will sacrifice himself so Shepard can escape.

[Pwener2313]

Please Zulu, elaborate further, you have the floor....

Modifié par Pwener2313, 25 février 2011 - 04:16 .

[TuringPoint]

I don't expect this is the real plot, although it does fit pretty well in certain ways.



It seems plausible the Batarians could've ended up tangled with the Reaper plot against humans, at least.

[Sajuro]

Boo: meep -explosion-



Shepard: noooooooooooo!

[Gentleman Moogle]

Please, everyone knows Boo is immortal.



How else could he be around all this time?

[Sajuro]

They never found the body, and Mass Effect 4: The first space hamster Spectre.

[Pwener2313]

Getting a little off-topic here....

[Gentleman Moogle]

Boo is ALWAYS on topic.



But okay, I honestly think that the achievement is one of those 'misleading' titles. Something to throw us off when we see it so we all think "oh geeze, someone's going to die." Kinda like the 'Missing in Action' achievement from ME2. The way you look at it, it sounds like something's gone horribly wrong, but you actually get it for RESCUING your crew.



I just have this sneaking suspicion that it's not relating at all to what we think it is.

[Pwener2313]

You die when you get that achievement. That's not good.

[Bluko]

You know Pwener that actually sounds pretty plausible. Not sure if that's what will happen, though given what we know that could be a possible scenario. I dunno my only stigma is Shepard surrendering doesn't seem like the "Ultimate Sacrifice". However you make a pretty compelling case, based off of what we know.

-Shepard is apparently going into Batarian space to save Dr. Kenson since she has some evidence of the Reapers existence.
-This is supposedly the final bridge DLC to explain stuff that happens in-between ME2 and ME3.
-We know that at some point in the DLC Shepard and company will face heavy resistance in that they must literally hold off waves of enemies.
-We know there is some kind of "Ultimate Sacrifice" made by the end.

It seems very much a possibility that Shepard could end up staying behind to let the rest of his team make a break for it. So in a way that could be the "Ultimate Sacrifice", though "Last Stand" or something else would seem a little more appropriate. This also would work well in setting up ME3. There has to be some reason or basis for Shepard having to start afresh again. And a Batarian prison would make an excellent intro/tutorial and set the dark mood for the rest of the game. I get the feeling you may be on to something. Also it does make sense that Shepard would stay behind since if there is some evidence of the Reapers that'd it be vital the rest of the galaxy finds out about it. Also no Shepard is particularily fond of the Batarians, so I can see even the most Paragon or Renegade Shepard staying behind to kill some Batarians.

My only nitpick is so far every DLC has been made available during the game. The way this DLC would work by your suggestion Pwener means that could only be done if you have beat the game. Thing is Bioware hasn't done this yet and I'm not sure that they will. Although they have eluded to this being a possibility. Though it could be problematic given that some people may have chosen not to continue their game, and are in progress of new game. That's my only concern here.


I dunno while I like your hyopthesis I think I'm going to stay in the Ultra-Pessimist camp and assume that the Ultimate Sacrifice involves letting the Virmire Survivor die. Also I'm 95% sure the Virmire Survivor will be in this DLC as it involves the good ol' Alliance and Batarians. And given that Ashley/Kaidan are true loyalists to the Alliance, but also know Shepard it'd make sense for them to tag alone. I'm guessing the Alliance (Hackett/Anderson) will realize Shepard is probably the only one who can pull a mission like this off.