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[Gentleman Moogle]

Oh yeah. Sorry, got my achievements mixed up.



Like I said before, my biggest problem with the "Shepard stays behind" scenario is that... You're literally fresh off of taking down the most dangerous thing in the galaxy. And, assuming you upgraded everything, you have the most powerful ship in the galaxy as well. You literally walked into the lair of the enemy, curb-stomped their entire race, destroyed an embryonic reaper, and waltzed back out again with barely a scratch to show you were ever there. And this is AFTER recruiting a crew of the smartest, deadliest individuals in the galaxy. All of whom -- assuming you did their loyalty missions -- are willing to take more than a few bullets for you. To say nothing of the fact that an old friend/lover is now one of the most powerful people in the galaxy and has access to practically every form of information ever devised.



And we're supposed to get worked up about some Batarian punks?



I just can't see it. Shepard would have them for lunch, and their friends for dessert.

[Pwener2313]

You make good points Bluko, but LotSB starts mid-game so this one makes sense to start after the SM with no post ending gameplay due to the ending. I hope it's not the SV dying because that's just ridiculous. We choose one in ME1 to rescue only to lose the other one in ME2? Plus, where does that leave people that remeined loyal to they're human LI? It wouldn't make much sense. And a sacrifice that effect Shepard and only Shepard is a sacrifice, since it also effects the player. If it was something big that effects everyone (NPC of team member dying), it's instead a tragedy.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

This would be a pretty cool opening for ME3, and it would work well with the DLC achievement.

On the other hand, with the whole 'break out of prison' thing, the first two things I think of are Oblivion, and the start of James Bond 'Die Another Day' when he's captured by the North Koreans.

[Pwener2313]

1. Oblivion rocks



2. James Bond Rocks

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm willing to bet this is only triggerable post-suicide mission.

[James2912]

wait can somebody please let me know the facts of what we know about this upcoming DLC? I'm reading all of this and am wondering if it is all entirely speculation or if there is an actual source of official info?

[Zulu_DFA]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

And we're supposed to get worked up about some Batarian punks?

I just can't see it. Shepard would have them for lunch, and their friends for dessert.

That's only because the "suicide mission" sucked. The enemy was wussified, and the player could achieve the perfect result just for being a completionist. No actual challenge or skills involved. That made the story cheap.

Now, here's to hope BioWare has learnt a tad from that mistake and there won't be easy cop-outs as far a the "Last Stand" trophy goes.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 février 2011 - 06:27 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

We know exactly three things:

1. There is a DLC called "Arrival" that will be announced sometime in the coming weeks.

2. There are three achievements for this DLC: Ultimate Sacrifice (for completing the DLC), Last Stand (for surviving all 5 waves while defending something called "Object Rho), and Covert Action (for rescuing Dr. Amanda Kenson without attracting attention).

3. Bert and Ernie are gay.

That is all we know.

ETA: 

@Zulu:  Admittedly, it was something of a cakewalk (Well, not on the first playthrough. that stuff was intense. I lost Legion my first time through), and I'd certainly have no beef if Bioware ramped up the tension in this DLC, I'm just saying I can't see Batarians as credible threats with the way we've been kicking their four-eyed butts all up and down the Terminus Systems. It could be done, I suppose, but there'd have to be something pretty huge to set them up as something Shepard couldn't just tear right through. 

Modifié par Gentleman Moogle, 25 février 2011 - 06:32 .

[James2912]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

We know exactly three things:

1. There is a DLC called "Arrival" that will be announced sometime in the coming weeks.

2. There are three achievements for this DLC: Ultimate Sacrifice (for completing the DLC), Last Stand (for surviving all 5 waves while defending something called "Object Rho), and Covert Action (for rescuing Dr. Amanda Kenson without attracting attention).

3. Bert and Ernie are gay.

That is all we know.

lol thanks a bunch!

[Zulu_DFA]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

3. Bert and Ernie are gay.

Wow... I must say, this is a heck of a plot twist!

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm really not sure any squaddies will get killed in this DLC, Zulu.

[Pwener2313]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

@Zulu:  Admittedly, it was something of a cakewalk (Well, not on the first playthrough. that stuff was intense. I lost Legion my first time through), and I'd certainly have no beef if Bioware ramped up the tension in this DLC, I'm just saying I can't see Batarians as credible threats with the way we've been kicking their four-eyed butts all up and down the Terminus Systems. It could be done, I suppose, but there'd have to be something pretty huge to set them up as something Shepard couldn't just tear right through. 

We don't know what they have been up to. Remember that batarian scientist Saren killed? He had found a Reaper artifact or an actual Reaper and we have only fought Batarian lowlifes (terrorists and mercs). They stole a high piece of equipment called "The Leviathan of Dis" and kidnapped a Dr. who is investigating the Mass relays (doesn't look like simple ransom as the leverage is too risky, even for them). Bottom line is that we have only fought independent Batarians, we don't know what they are really like (they're goverment) or what they have been up to for the past 30 years. No one does outside of they're race by that matter. The whole thing could be a trap to capture Shepard because they are being indoctrinated. It could be any number of reasons and this "Object Rho" has to be some kind of weapon or something valuable for the team to stay and fight waves of baddies to defend/acquire it. For me, that "Object Rho" is trouble and it is as far as we know in Batarian possession and it's probably why they kidnapped the Dr. (she can activate it/study it).

Modifié par Pwener2313, 25 février 2011 - 06:48 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Okay, see, if they do come out with something like that, that elevates the Batarians from "thugs of the galaxy" to "Oh. Dude. These buggers are actually competent and HOLY GOD WHAT IS THAT", then yeah, I could see my way clear to having the Batarians as the big bad in the DLC.



They'd have to really sell it though.

[Brako Von Shepard]

Ooo a prison escape mission.



Perhaps thats what the two trophies are for. One for escaping unscene, or if you alert them, then you have to fight off waves of Batarian's.

[I will kill you both]

I'll sacrifice everybody for the greater good of humanity.

[Commander Kurt]

This idea doesn't sound crazy, but.. it's on the forums..  I think we might have found a rip in the fabric of reality, or something.

And batarians are like turians, asari, humans, geth, rachni, husks, collectors and so on. Canon fodder. Cerberus was canon fodder in ME1, and yet they call the shots in ME2. I don't see a problem with this. A surrender could always be forced by overwhelming numbers, if nothing else.

Regarding the ultimate sacrifice not actually being the ultimate sacrifice, well that would be like having a suicide mission without actual casualties. Sounds insane, but it could probably be done if someone put their mind to it.

[I will kill you both]

Oh hell yeah I am 100 percent srs. Oh I've been a alien loving shep and everything far and in between.

[Bluko]

Pwener2313 wrote...

You make good points Bluko, but LotSB starts mid-game so this one makes sense to start after the SM with no post ending gameplay due to the ending. I hope it's not the SV dying because that's just ridiculous. We choose one in ME1 to rescue only to lose the other one in ME2? Plus, where does that leave people that remeined loyal to they're human LI? It wouldn't make much sense. And a sacrifice that effect Shepard and only Shepard is a sacrifice, since it also effects the player. If it was something big that effects everyone (NPC of team member dying), it's instead a tragedy.

Yeah I suppose that is a bit extreme. Killing a former squadmate in a DLC would be a douche move by Bioware, also probably not a popular one. While it is possible they might do this, it's probably not something people would want to buy that are still playing Mass Effect 2. Though it's not like Bioware has killed off characters before so...

It is probably more likely if someone does die it will be Dr. Kenson. But you know what looking at the known trophies again...

-The Ultimate Sacrifice: Complete the Arrival DLC
-Last Stand: Survive all five waves in the battle for Object Rho
-Covert Action: Rescue Dr. Amanda Kenson without attracting hostile attention. 

Okay so we can rescue Dr. Kenson. To me this seems indicative that she won't die in this DLC. Otherwise what's the point of saving her if she gets killed by Batarians/Reapers in the end?

The fact there is a trophy titled "Last Stand" seems even more indicative of your hypothesis. It seems by the end of the DLC Shepard will be making some kind of Last Stand, presumably against the Batarians. So what does that leave the "Ultimate Sacrifice" to be? It's probably not squadmates, since some people may only have a few left. It could be Object Rho itself, but then why fight so hard to defend it, just to lose it? It could be civilians or hostages as Batarians love to do that kind of stuff, but it seems out of place that this would happen in their own space.

I really think you're onto someting Pwener. You may not be 100% correct, but from everything we've seen leaked so far... I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're probably right. It just works too well not to be the case. I dunno Bioware has made it clear they intended these DLCs to explain additional stuff that happens in-between ME2 and ME3. LotSB has done this to an extent so I suspect then that you may be right and this DLC will be the final conclusion to the events after Mass Effect 2.

Being a Batarian POW would work really well for starting ME3. It givens reason for the player to recreate their Shepard profile in the prison system. You could also have interrogations done by the Batarians to resolve Shepard's choices in the previous games. It works way to well to not happen, and like I said a prison escape would make an excellent tutorial/exciting introduction. Also it woudn't be too hard to eplain this in the introduction of ME3. You have some text scroll to give some exposition, then you have cutscene detailing what happened to Shepard before being captured. Then you find yourself in the prison.

As for those saying that Shepard couldn't be beaten by the Batarians. Shepard will be going into heavily defended Batarian territory. This means there are a lot of well armed Batarians ready to fight. Also the Collectors only numbered in a few hundred or thousad at best. The Batarians likely will have tons more troops ready given the previous incursion with the Alliance. Shepard has an impressive resume, but I think that even Shepard could be overwhelmed especially if we're talking about a full military threat. Really the Batarians are probably the only species that could be motivated enough to take on Shepard. Shepard is the best, but even Shepard can't hold off platoons worth of enemies forever. Which is likely what the Batarians will be sending in. I mean a few husks can prove problematic, do you really think in-game you can defeat 15+ armed enemies coming at you?

Well I do know one thing now, even if I'm wrong about everything else whatever those five waves of enemies are, it's going to suck trying to do it on Insanity.

Modifié par Bluko, 25 février 2011 - 07:29 .

[Pwener2313]

Commander Kurt wrote...

This idea doesn't sound crazy, but.. it's on the forums..  I think we might have found a rip in the fabric of reality, or something.

Im seriously flattered, thankyou. I do think that it's a great idea to say so myself.

@Bluko: I think that this or something like this will indeed be the case. Saints Row 2 starts just like that. A tutorial level escaping from a prison. If it worked for the best free roam GTA ass kicker then it can work for ME3. And there is just too much potential and drama in it to toss aside and just send Shepard back to the Normandy after the end. Im sick of that and want a definite end to the game with a "To be continued in Mass effect 3".

Modifié par Pwener2313, 25 février 2011 - 07:32 .

[I will kill you both]

It should be easy for Shep to ****slap those Baterian scum. He is YOU and by extension he can do everything.



Insanity mode was easy for me...and I played this hybrid shooter with a console. What was so hard about Insanity mode? Take cover, suppress fire, kill everything as fast and accurately as you can, utilize your team to it's maximum, use your biotics wisely and mine planets/upgrade as fast as you can...I'm not saying this to sound like a dick or anything either but after your first playthrough it is all gravy...groovy...meh.

[Gentleman Moogle]

"Also the Collectors only numbered in a few hundred thousad at best"



... Am I the only one who sees this as a massively weird way to prove that the collectors weren't as big a threat the Shepard as the Batarians?



Anyhoo.



I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but let's remember; Shepard has literally taken down whole armies at a time. Geth, Collectors, even Batarians (if you pick the War Hero background) at one point. And he's done it with little more than armour, an assault rifle, and presumably a pair of massive brass balls. If we are going with the "Shepard stays behind to take out the pursuers" option, we'll need something BIG to make it feel believable. Big like "Shepard takes down a Batarian Dreadnaught" big.

[Pwener2313]

Shepard isn't invincible. If he's facing a few 100+ soldiers (probably more since they're gonna be in the middle of Batarian space and they are likely to throw everything they have at them. This means ships and dreadnoughts (which they have). The SR-2 can face against 10 to 20 of those. and since we don't know what the Batarian goverment has been doing for the last 30 years, nobody can say Im wrong. Also, they have acces to a possible Reaper ship and could have Reaper tech in use in they're forces.



Anybody remembers "The Leviathan of Dis"?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

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I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but let's remember; Shepard has literally taken down whole armies at a time. Geth, Collectors, even Batarians (if you pick the War Hero background) at one point. And he's done it with little more than armour, an assault rifle, and presumably a pair of massive brass balls. If we are going with the "Shepard stays behind to take out the pursuers" option, we'll need something BIG to make it feel believable. Big like "Shepard takes down a Batarian Dreadnaught" big.

Indeed. :innocent:

[I will kill you both]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Shepard isn't invincible. If he's facing a few 100+ soldiers (probably more since they're gonna be in the middle of Batarian space and they are likely to throw everything they have at them. This means ships and dreadnoughts (which they have). The SR-2 can face against 10 to 20 of those. and since we don't know what the Batarian goverment has been doing for the last 30 years, nobody can say Im wrong. Also, they have acces to a possible Reaper ship and could have Reaper tech in use in they're forces.

Anybody remembers "The Leviathan of Dis"?

Yes he is, ME is all about him.  He died before and he came back. (Jesus allegory?)

Yeah man but they are Batarians...I mean talk about falling from grace.  Just give me some good cover.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Keep in mind the Normandy has those stealth systems which renders it invisible to sensors. Unless the Batarians have some really good manual aiming systems, they'll never even see the SR-2.



And... Phoenix... Did you just link me to TVtropes? don't you know how dangerous that is, man!?