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[Pwener2313]

samuraix87 wrote...

i would like the squadies you have with you on the mission to also be put in prison with shepard i mean what would it do to garrus or samara or even mordin i find that it might change them in different ways

It wouldn't really work out very well. BW has said many ways that ME3 will be Shepard's story alone. Plus, it wouldn't also be a "Sacrifice" if half of the team is taken to prison. Shepard alone is a more sound idea.

[samuraix87]

its not even half the team its shep and 2 squaddies that leaves 2 squaddies plus liara and vs to break them out i just like the thought of mordin in his cell next to shep singing and shep getting annoyed

[Pwener2313]

I don't see that happening. It's Shepard's story and a lone POW is better. Shepard alone is the way to go. If it's more then one, it wouldn't be Shepard's sacrifice, but a team one. Everyone escaping and Shepard left behind is also more dramatic then a 3 man team being captured.

[samuraix87]

why does have to be sheps sacrifice i mean he isnt doing the dlc alone and i doubt that the batarians will let your 2 companions just leave it makes more since to take them also and my other idea is the sol relay is sacrificed

[Pwener2313]

Everyone escapes with the doc and "Object Rho" while Shepard covers the retreat. Makes perfect sense.

[Null_]

The fact is. If Shepards team is gone Mass Effect 3 wont be "the final epic part of trilogy" it will simply be a good game "you can also get sum emails ingame if u import save luls".Will I buy it? Yes.Will I buy collectors edition/ future BW games? not really, this will be too big of a dissapointment.

Mass effect series have potential to be the star wars of 21th century, and the first game series where your choices actually mettered. If that potential is wasted by killing off the team( making 80% of ME2 pointless) then you simply have 3 good games people will forget about in a year or 2. Instead of something you would proudly show to your children/grand children and consider a work of art.

Its obviously too late to alter the script so no amount of crying/whining/raging will help. I hope bioware doesnt disappoint but if its like that and we get another fresh start then we should get ready for biggest dissapointment in gaming history. I am thankfull for this dlc, better this than unpacking 150$ collectors edition, and get Lazarus project 2.0 and 'Ah yes reapers'

Modifié par Null_, 25 février 2011 - 10:37 .

[Pwener2313]

What? Why? It's a great idea and adds a lot of depth to the story. How can being captured and escaping jail in ME3 ruin the story? It wouldn't.

[samuraix87]

not really shep by himself covering everyone is not likely the companions will help him thats like saying garrus wont cover you while who ever tries to close the doors in the suicide mission

[Null_]

Pwener2313 wrote...

What? Why? It's a great idea and adds a lot of depth to the story. How can being captured and escaping jail in ME3 ruin the story? It wouldn't.

I mean killing off the team. If they escape and you reunite with them later on in ME3 then its ok(altho still stupid... having to recruit same people 2nd time(in some cases 3rd time...). But honestly a commander covering escape of 12+ people alone? When he is supposed to be the guy to unite the galaxy against reapers? That makes little sense.

Modifié par Null_, 25 février 2011 - 10:40 .

[Pwener2313]

Just because you say it can't happen it wouldn't. There are literally hundreds of ways to pull it off.



1. Too many enemies



2. No communication



3. Being separated



4. Ect.

[Null_]

Still Batarians who have to rely on terrorist acts and funding pirates, are on brink of civil war(LOTSB) owns Shepard... The guy who took out Collectors and killed 2 reapers and lived to tell the tale.

[Fiery Phoenix]

In batarian space, in a batarian system, and in batarian prison...

[samuraix87]

what you sugest is out of character for all the squaddies i mean seriously garrus not backing shep up to cover the escape come on now be realistic

[Pwener2313]

Null_ wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

What? Why? It's a great idea and adds a lot of depth to the story. How can being captured and escaping jail in ME3 ruin the story? It wouldn't.

I mean killing off the team. If they escape and you reunite with them later on in ME3 then its ok. But honestly a commander covering escape of 12+ people alone? When he is supposed to be the guy to unite the galaxy against reapers? That makes little sense.

Shepard gets captured covering the escape and later escapers captivity, chooses who to join or go at it alone and later rejoins the Normandy crew with a few people having left. Makeks perfect sense in every possible way. Plus, there are so many other ways it can be tackeled. Give it a chance instead of railing against it. It's BW after all, they can make anything work.

[Pwener2313]

Look people, the Batarians have advanced reaper tech (Leviathan of Dis and Object Rho) and we have no idea what is going on with them for the last 30 years. That's what twists are for.

[JamieCOTC]

Prison break is cliche, but so is being brought back from the dead.

I like the Batarian POW idea, and if anyone could bring a fresh perspective to the trope it would be BW. However, it presents a number of problems. W/ Shepard "gone" the game would have to end (or go back in time for more play ala DA:O). That's the biggest stumbling block, and why I don't think they will go this route. Also, and related, it would require the game be played after the SM. I just have this hunch that BW is never going to do that. LotSB may play better post SM, but it can easily be played beforehand or in between. Then there is the plausibility of it all. Shepard just took down the Collectors in their own base a race backed by machine-gods. How the hell is a bunch of Batarians going to make him/her surrender? The circumstances will have to be unique to say the least. And lastly if Shep is tortured then that just opens up another plot element that will most likely be ignored. They did that once w/ Shep's death. I don't really want them to do it again.

I still like the idea as it has a lot of possibilities and could tie in w/ ME3 very well. So, I support the idea, but I don't think this is what BW will do.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 25 février 2011 - 10:48 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Quoting myself from the other thread, just to make it clear as to how this would work:

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

At this point, I'm almost convinced that the Ultimate Sacrifice is most likely Shepard surrendering to the batarians in order to allow Amanda and whatever she was trying to get escape (i.e. Object Rho). Shepard then ends up in batarian prison, where she's tortured, interrogated, etc., setting up the stage for an ME3 opening.

Does that make sense? Because it does to me.

In other words, Shepard acts like a distraction for the batarians, whilst Dr. Kenson and perhaps the accompanying squadmates escape back to the Normandy with Object Rho, accomplishing the mission at the cost of losing Shepard.

[samuraix87]

you do know shep covering only worked once and that was him and 2 squaddies athe end on me2 not 12 people and it doesnt make sense what so ever it would make more sense if everyone except shep and 2 squaddies got trapped like a blast door serpating shep and the rest of the squad meaning the 10 other squadies plus the doctor and shep and the 2 squaddies he has are captured that makes sense

[Pwener2313]

You two sound like Kaidan in Horizon. You don't like the idea so you won't let yourself be convinced otherwise even with all of the information to the contrary. Im done trying to convince you but please don't clutter the thread saying the same thing over and over again on how it won't work. With all due respect of course. Everyone else likes it, only you two have a problem with it.

[skcih-deraj]

You know what it going to be exactly like the ultimatum arc marvel put out. Every one is going to die! Miranda will be eaten by the thorian, Tali gets stuck in the source wall and beaten with a mother box.



The dead Virmire survivor is going to punch a hole in reality, bringing Saren and every one Shepard's killed back to life. Garrus will be shot with death rays that send him back in time, The Normandy get blown up by collectors (again) and Shepard himself will be turned into a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. (the ultimate sacrifice.)























Not serious

[Bluko]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Starting out fresh also means losing everything you had in ME2. You can't start ME3 with the ship, crew, weapons and resources. You need some kind of problem to start off form the bat clean as a whistle. For example, the Lone Wanderer gets shot in the head and left for dead in the desert in Fallout New Vegas, losing everything he had (in my canon, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas have the same character). It would make more sense to connect both ME2 and ME3 since it's what BW said they'd do. Furthermore, leaving a definite ending to ME2 in a cliffhanger just seems so right to me and apperantly so many other people.

Yes exactly. Bioware has stated many times that Mass Effect 3 has to be a game that even if you never played any of the other games before you'll be able to start an enitrely new game and jump right in. The game has to accessible to new players without forcing a crew of 12 people they know nothing about or a ship they've had nothing to do with on them and make it seem like they're all best friends.

Starting off ME3 in the Normandy SR2 is a bad idea because then it's up to Bioware again who lives and dies for new players. It's bad enough they did this with ME1. Also someone new to the series isn't going to give a flying hoot about the old crew so throwing them in there is pointless. I mean if you never played ME1 did or do you think you'd care about Liara and Ashley/Kaidan in ME2? Probably not a whole lot and you'd just feel more confused or left out by their presence.

Look yes getting captured and prisons are all very cliche, especially in RPGs. But it works. And a lot of the bests RPGs (Shadows of Amn, Elder Scrolls) do it. Frankly it's no worse then how they started ME2 since they literally killed the main character to have a reason for Shepard having to start a fresh.

Starting off in a prison just makes going into ME3 a lot easier. Interrogations for example can be used to determine Shepard's past actions easily if you aren't importing a save. Also being tortured is a good excuse for the main character not remembering things. Also the way you escape the prison probably makes for a good tutorial, plus you could even possibly pick up a squadmate(s) while in the prison. I mean a Batarian prison would be an ideal place for you to finally meet a Batarian squadmate since you'd help each other breakout. Or any squadmate for that matter. It also could allow for Liara and or Ashley/Kaidan to launch some kind of rescure mission similar to that of Return of the Jedi. I mean for new players it makes Liara, Ashley, Kaidan relevant to their game and it's great for veteran players to reunite with their old squaddies for old times sake.

It's also a good way of explaining why Normandy SR2 has undegone changes while Shepard was gone or why Shepard might be starting off in an SR3. (Joker and EDI in Shepard's absence could easily leave Cerberus and piggyback onto a new Alliance Normandy class vessel.) Like I've said this works really well, I mean so much so that Bioware would almost appear foolish to try something else.

The ultimate sacrifice has to be something pretty big. It can't just be your typical sacrifice some people or sacrifice this artifact. It almost needs to impact the story, otherwise Bioware is really just blowing hotair. Also given that this DLC is entitled to "Arrival" and we clearly see the Reapers heading for the Galaxy at the end of ME2, I think it's safe to say that it will involve the Reapers, maybe not directly, but it will have something to do with them. I mean really ME2 already had a of sort cliffhanger ending, getting captured or left to make a final stand alone wouldn't really be any worse for being the true end to ME2.

[Mr.House]

I think Shepard letting herself/himself getting captured so the doc and his crew get away would show some character dev for Shepard and would also explain the "Shepard is off the grid" that Anderson and TIM where talking about.

Modifié par Mr.House, 25 février 2011 - 11:06 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

We all agree that an imprisonment is a cliche concept, but surely if it ain't broke, don't fix it, yes?

[Pwener2313]

Yes, thanks for these responses and backing me up guys. I thought I was alone there for a second, lol.

[Bluko]

Null_ wrote...

Still Batarians who have to rely on terrorist acts and funding pirates, are on brink of civil war(LOTSB) owns Shepard... The guy who took out Collectors and killed 2 reapers and lived to tell the tale.

The Batarians might not have the military might of the Humans or Turians, but as far we can tell they seem to be the biggest threat to the Alliance. Enough apparently that the Alliance would like to avoid war with them. So the Batarians aren't push overs. It's just they are smart enough to realize they probably can't beat the humans.

Also I hate to say it, but really the Collectors weren't that great. They relied entirely on hit and run. The Collectors wouldn't stand a chance against a fleet fighting in open space outside of the Omega Relay. I mean ask yourself are the Collectors themselves really any more deadly then most of the mercs you encounter? Really the only thing the Collectors had going for them was their weaponry like the Particle Beam Cannon and that they had Husks/Harbinger to back them up. Also the Collectors seem to have been relatively few in number, or the very least Shepard never had to fight more then a couple of them at once.

True a single Batarian grunt isn't going to be quite on the level with a Collector. But if Shepard is fighting a dozen or more of them at once that's a pretty significant challenge. Also this appears to be occuring in Batarian space. Which likely means Shepard and the Normandy are on their own. If Shepard is trying to openly fight them he/she is likely going to be facing way more opposition then what they had with the Collectors. I mean the Batarians will likely have several ships, tanks, gunships, etc. all bearing down on you. Shepard's tough, but there's only so much one person can do. And Shepard isn't infallible as he/she obviously gets killed by the Collectors at least once. Shepard isn't so uber powerful (at least not yet) that he/she can take on hundreds of enemies by themselves.

Modifié par Bluko, 25 février 2011 - 11:28 .