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[Wulfram]

Batarians were trounced by Noob humans. I doubt they can make a major contribution to the fight against the reapers.

[Marta Rio]

Bluko wrote...
But I don't think any of the Normandy crew will be captured. See this way Bioware can convientely write them out of most of the game entirely for new players. They simply won't be in game for anyone starting a brand new game. They'll all have gone seperate ways during Shepard's absence. Also remember some people could have played through ME2 and got everyone killed including Shepard. So this totally fresh start with no ME2 crew would take these people in to account as well.

I have to say that if this is the way Bioware decides to write them out, I think I will be more than a little peeved.  I understand that they may need to be reduced to non-squadmate roles in ME3, but I don't think that it makes sense from a character standpoint for most of the squad to just leave Shep rotting in a Batarian prison.  For example, if Garrus didn't help mount a major rescue effort, I'd be like "WTF Bioware, that's the first thing Garrus would do.  He'd be beating down the doors to get Shep out."  Same goes for Tali and a number of Shep's new best friends. 

And I'd be super annoyed if it's a case of "only Liara and the VS care enough to mount a rescue attempt."  I know it would be easier from a implementation standpoint, but I don't think there's a way that Bioware can write a plausible explanation for why the other ex-squaddies aren't participating as well. 

Modifié par Marta Rio, 26 février 2011 - 04:28 .

[Alienmorph]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Geth and Rachins aren't already enought as unlikely allies?

The Rachni are going to bite in the arse those foolish enough to have let the queen go. And the Geth may all become Heretics.

I might bring to you various reasons to explain why I don't think it won't happen, but it's your call.

[Zulu_DFA]

Alienmorph wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Geth and Rachins aren't already enought as unlikely allies?

The Rachni are going to bite in the arse those foolish enough to have let the queen go. And the Geth may all become Heretics.

I might bring to you various reasons to explain why I don't think it won't happen, but it's your call.

Can't wait. My daily quota of lulz isn't full yet.

[Alienmorph]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Geth and Rachins aren't already enought as unlikely allies?

The Rachni are going to bite in the arse those foolish enough to have let the queen go. And the Geth may all become Heretics.

I might bring to you various reasons to explain why I don't think it won't happen, but it's your call.

Can't wait. My daily quota of lulz isn't full yet.

Thanks, but no thanks. I know how it works, I respect your opinion and I know that you won't change it, so why starting an usless argument?

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Geth and Rachins aren't already enought as unlikely allies?

The Rachni are going to bite in the arse those foolish enough to have let the queen go. And the Geth may all become Heretics.

I might bring to you various reasons to explain why I don't think it won't happen, but it's your call.

Can't wait. My daily quota of lulz isn't full yet.

Does it matter if it does happen? just give Shepard a few more thermal clips and he can go Geth/Rachni hunting

[Aradace]

Sajuro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Geth and Rachins aren't already enought as unlikely allies?

The Rachni are going to bite in the arse those foolish enough to have let the queen go. And the Geth may all become Heretics.

I might bring to you various reasons to explain why I don't think it won't happen, but it's your call.

Can't wait. My daily quota of lulz isn't full yet.

Does it matter if it does happen? just give Shepard a few more thermal clips and he can go Geth/Rachni hunting

You know, you make a good point there lol
I never get tired of shooting Geth.

Modifié par Aradace, 26 février 2011 - 04:50 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Alienmorph wrote...
I respect your opinion and I know that you won't change it

Maybe I could change yours?

[Alienmorph]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...
I respect your opinion and I know that you won't change it

Maybe I could change yours?

You can try, I'm an opened person, but I've already seen your opinions about the geth and rachnis in other discussion.

[Pwener2313]

Please keep the discussion on topic please. I'd hate to see my thread closed because it got de-railed. Thx

EDIT: As far as we know, the devs are listening and this has been one of the longest "Arrival" threads going so far.

Modifié par Pwener2313, 26 février 2011 - 06:01 .

[nevar00]

First off, although that sounds like an epic ending, I really don't want this to be an excuse to write-out the ME 2 squadmates. Of course, if they bring them back regardless as well as pull this off, then I'm all for it.

However, it's not going to happen. They can't just throw people playing ME 3 into a Batarian prison right at the beginning. I'm not even talking about ME noobs, but what about people who played ME 2 and upload their Shep but didn't buy any DLC? They'll be completely lost. It's like if ME 2 just started with Shephard being dead and had DLC for ME 1 that had the Normandy getting attacked.

Modifié par nevar00, 26 février 2011 - 08:48 .

[nevar00]

Also I'd like to point out to the people who are speaking bad of the Batarians: OBVIOUSLY not every single one is "evil", that would be completely ridiculous if Bioware took that stance. (I'm saying this all with the assumption that you are speaking "out of character": I too have one Shephard file who hates Batarians due to the colonist background). There was that Batarian you help in Mordin's mission who ends up not thinking humans are as evil as he thought, there's that guy in Garrus's mission who seemed pretty nice (Sanky I think?), and then there's the shop keeper on Omega as well as the guy in Garrus's squad. A lot of them may be ignorant and a lot of them actually have a good reason to hate humans (like Balak, although he was a bad guy: that goes without saying). But to say they are all evil space terrorists who would never work with humans against a threat bent on wiping out all advanced life is pretty ridiculous. I expect the Batarian/Human conflict will be addressed in ME 3 anyway, as that seems to be the one big problem that hasn't really been brought up to Shephard yet.

[nevar00]

Alienmorph wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Plus the idea of a "last stand" involves multiple deaths (classical example - the finale of Saving Private Ryan). That's why I think that "Arrival" is going to be like a "suicide mission" all over again. With the possibility of multiple squadmates dying plot deaths. Like 1 squadmate per wave in "the battle for Object Rho".

I'm scared. A lot scared.

Because I agree with you.

Wiping out a few pre-determined squadmates in the first big battle against the reapers would be good in terms of plot (better than another death-rebirth-rebuilt ot the team) and will reduce the amount of variables that BW will have to deal with for ME3, giving highter chances to the more plotworthy characters to return as full squadmates in ME3 if they survived SM. And also it's not that deabilitating for who didn't play the DlC... we can assume quite easily that there will be a "summary of the previous events" dialogue at the beginning of ME3, like happened with the "memory test" in ME2... simply in that will hadded an extra dialogue: 

"You were able to bring all your team alive out of the Collector's Base, but then you took some bad losses when Reapers arrived." (fully successfull SM)

"You defeated Collectors without big casualties. but then the Reapers whiped out many of the survivors."  (SM with a few losses)

"Almost anyone who fought at your side is dead because of the Collectors before and of the Reapers after, but you still resist." (heavy losses in SM)

Who care about the character will find out what happened to the missing squaddies with the DlC, for the others they will be simply casualties of war, and considered how big is going to be the Reaper's war there will be nothing to be surprised. 

About the prisoner of Batarian... meh... it's possible, but sounds a bit lame imo.

Sorry to triple post but I just had to address this.  There is no chance that Arrival will have mandatory squad deaths: first off, once again to those who played ME 2 and 3 without the DLC, to get a little sentence explaining why half their old squad is dead, would be BEYOND bad programming and I expect Bioware to be much better than that.  Also, this would more or less make the whole SM completely pointless, as to whether or not people died, if 5 minutes later you lose half your squad to Batarians in the same game.

If Bioware dared try to play this (and they won't), there is no way I would download that garbage.  I can't see any teammates dying in this DLC: especially not mandatoraly.  

Modifié par nevar00, 26 février 2011 - 09:02 .

[Pwener2313]

Like it or not, it's a very high possibilty this route will be taken. Squad will not likely die in the DLC, that's ridiculous since then, people wouldn't buy the DLC. Second, just because you get cut-off fromyour squad doesn't men they won't return. Plus, it would add a cliffhanger and something to look forward to ME3.

[samuraix87]

why are you so certain this is how it will go down right now its just speculation unless your a bioware employee i dont think it will at least not the way you have sugested about it just being shep in prision but thats my opinion just like what you think will happen is yours

[Pwener2313]

Wow, computers have caps and periods you know. And Im so certain because it makes sense and would open up the beginning of ME3 with a bang. It would also fix everything that needs to be done to reset Shepard which will most likely happen.

[nevar00]

And it would also confuse the hell out of anyone playing ME 3 without the DLC. It's a really cool idea and as you said, would solve a lot of problems without making the ME 2 squadmates necessarily unplayable, but anyone playing without the DLC would be completely lost. Now, if the DLC sets up ME 3 to start you with assaulting a Batarian base or something that ends with you getting captured, that sounds more plausible to me.

[James2912]

I would say that pawner has a great idea however if this dlc is going to be this important and follow pawners idea they should give it for free. We already paid a **** load of money for the game Bioware doesn't need to constantly nickle and dime its fans. Its ridiculous.



However I would like to point out they have already done this sort of thing before with LOTSB which is an important dlc that they charged for. I just hate the way video game companies are becoming a bunch of greedy SOBs they used to be artists not just money grubbers!

[Pwener2313]

It's pwener actually, but thanks. It those seem very greedy if they do it, but I personally wouldn't mind. Most people have the DLCs so it is likely that this is the route they're taking. they did it with LOTSB so who's to say they won't now.

Modifié par Pwener2313, 26 février 2011 - 11:51 .

[I will kill you both]

James2912 wrote...

I would say that pawner has a great idea however if this dlc is going to be this important and follow pawners idea they should give it for free. We already paid a **** load of money for the game Bioware doesn't need to constantly nickle and dime its fans. Its ridiculous.

However I would like to point out they have already done this sort of thing before with LOTSB which is an important dlc that they charged for. I just hate the way video game companies are becoming a bunch of greedy SOBs they used to be artists not just money grubbers!

They should give it free to the people that bought the Collectors Edition and all the mission dlcs...

I agree I have crossed off many game companies because of this.

[Pwener2313]

Still, there are a lot of hardcore fans who would still get the DLC due to loyalty and blind fandom. Me included.

[XyleJKH]

come on guys they wont kill off or get rid of your entire team from ME2 to make room for new ones in ME3. That would be the worst and likely biggest blow to the whole feel of Mass Effect. Its taking away that right. Don't know why Shepard would need to start fresh. Why bother?

Anyway, look forward to it regardless...

[Zaxares]

I haven't read through the entire thread, but has somebody suggested that perhaps the Ultimate Sacrifice may refer to a non-squadmate like Anderson? He plays a pretty big role in the ME-universe, and his death in this DLC would help make it easier for the writers to explain why Udina is now the Councilor (as shown in Mass Effect: Inquisition) for ME3.

[Pwener2313]

There won't be any deaths in the DLC. It's very (VERY) unlikely. BW said that ME3 was gonna be Shepard's story, so that means no recruitment and starting the game with my idea seems genius (to me anyway).

[Xephyr829]

How long should Shepard be in the prison ? A year maybe ?