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[MasterSamson88]

TJPags wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

gingerbill wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Well, that's you're opinion. Me personally, I think its the next step in the evolution of video-game RPGs.

I agree , it works because you are not reading a line and then saying it , reading the line works with no voice acting , but now theres voice acting i much prefer the wheel .

The only failure of teh wheel system is when they say something diffrent than what you expected . I think ME games overall it worked well and think it will work well in DA2 , there will be the odd time  he says something i dont want but the system can be improved with each game.

It's not like there wasn't a problem with the Origins system either. I had no idea half the time if I was pushing a conversation forward or if I was hitting on the person. People mention Zevran a lot for that, but it happened with me even in other characters.

Just because its not paraphrased doesn't mean you know exactly what you're saying. 

The problem there was lack of intent . . .what some of us took as sarcastic lines were, it seemed, intended as flirting.

I don't mind the intent icons.  I just don't like the paraphrase.

I still don't understand though. I mean just tell me plainly what is wrong with paraphrasing? I feel like it gives you clearly enough info to formulate a idea of what that response will be. Not everything should have to be written out fully for someone to get I feel.

I mean in both Mass Effect's I had no problem at all with the paraphrasing. So... I just don't know.

[Count Viceroy]

Cool story bro, but no one really cares.

[Naitaka]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Just because its not paraphrased doesn't mean you know exactly what you're saying. 

No, I know exactly what I'm saying, I just don't know how people will take it, which is not only possible but plausible. Having YOUR character, say something that's completely UNEXPECTED, regardless of whether the NPC respond in the way that you want, is immersion breaking no matter how you look at it. I can concede that some people prefer to be more of a director than an actor in the game, however, as a title that previously focus heavily on role playing, DA2 does leave something to be desired.

[Purgatious]

topster88 wrote...

Lol, I love how so many people are like "Oh another one of these threads" as if it's MY fault that a lot of people are pissed off about the dialigue system and that I made another thread about it.

Here's a thought: Maybe the reason so many people are pissed about the dialogue system, is because a lot of people don't like the dialogue system

A crazy theory, I know

A lot of people being like 20 really vocal people.

[Raanz]

Some don't like it, some do.....

Now what do we do?

I like it.....I don't like to read a book when I play a game, but I do enjoy a good story. Mission accomplished.

[topster88]

XBenotto18 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

Lol, I love how so many people are like "Oh another one of these threads" as if it's MY fault that a lot of people are pissed off about the dialigue system and that I made another thread about it.

Here's a thought: Maybe the reason so many people are pissed about the dialogue system, is because a lot of people don't like the dialogue system

A crazy theory, I know

 [Spam image removed by Moderator] 

Oh dear, I'm so sorry for suggesting that this game might not be 100% perfect. If anyone suggests that this game might not be the best game ever and have zero faults, they are HORRIBLE TROLLS AND SHOULD BE BURNED AT THE STAKE

Seriously dude, the point of this board is to talk about the game, good or bad. I have gripes about the game, and I'll continue to gripe if I want to. What are you going to do about it?

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 25 février 2011 - 03:56 .

[TJPags]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

gingerbill wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Well, that's you're opinion. Me personally, I think its the next step in the evolution of video-game RPGs.

I agree , it works because you are not reading a line and then saying it , reading the line works with no voice acting , but now theres voice acting i much prefer the wheel .

The only failure of teh wheel system is when they say something diffrent than what you expected . I think ME games overall it worked well and think it will work well in DA2 , there will be the odd time  he says something i dont want but the system can be improved with each game.

It's not like there wasn't a problem with the Origins system either. I had no idea half the time if I was pushing a conversation forward or if I was hitting on the person. People mention Zevran a lot for that, but it happened with me even in other characters.

Just because its not paraphrased doesn't mean you know exactly what you're saying. 

The problem there was lack of intent . . .what some of us took as sarcastic lines were, it seemed, intended as flirting.

I don't mind the intent icons.  I just don't like the paraphrase.

I still don't understand though. I mean just tell me plainly what is wrong with paraphrasing? I feel like it gives you clearly enough info to formulate a idea of what that response will be. Not everything should have to be written out fully for someone to get I feel.

I mean in both Mass Effect's I had no problem at all with the paraphrasing. So... I just don't know.

Well, for me, I don't like knowing the "idea" of a response.  I want to know the actual response.  Words used are important to me.  Tone matters, but the actual words are important.  They just - are.  <shrug>

I never played ME or ME2, so I don't know, overall, how it worked out there.  However, I've seen several videos of responses that, to me, seemed way out of line for the paraphrased choice.  Now, those may have been the only ones, but I've never played it, so I don't know.  So I'm not sure that, to me, ME is a good example.

[88mphSlayer]

personally i'm more concerned about Dragon Age 2 having good characters and a good story than i am over whether the dialogue has a picture next to it or not

[topster88]

Purgatious wrote...

A lot of people being like 20 really vocal people.

Lol, there's a tad more than that

[BeardedNinja]

how does complaining and not being able to do anything about it feel?

game is gold, you can either accept it and get over it or continue to whine a about it till the cows come home, preferably away from here though.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Naitaka wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Just because its not paraphrased doesn't mean you know exactly what you're saying. 

No, I know exactly what I'm saying, I just don't know how people will take it, which is not only possible but plausible. Having YOUR character, say something that's completely UNEXPECTED, regardless of whether the NPC respond in the way that you want, is immersion breaking no matter how you look at it. I can concede that some people prefer to be more of a director than an actor in the game, however, as a title that previously focus heavily on role playing, DA2 does leave something to be desired.

Well youre playing Hawke, not you........regardless of how bioware spins it hawke is essentially another shepard, its TBD is we will get more than one game out of it, but odds seem high,

Unexpected to you could be a normal response to others........, but thats how paraphrasing works, its one of the weaker parts of the entire voiced protagonist, but its there for numerous good reasons

[FieryDove]

topster88 wrote...

I keep hearing how Mass Effect was highly commended for it's "intuitive" dialogue system, but even in Mass Effect it was horrible. Really, what's the point in dialogue options if you don't actually end up saying what you select? What exactly is wrong with writing out the whole line and having the PC say exactly that?

Reading is bad.

Math can be worse but...ehh what ya gonna do?

[XBenotto18]

topster88 wrote...

XBenotto18 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

Lol, I love how so many people are like "Oh another one of these threads" as if it's MY fault that a lot of people are pissed off about the dialigue system and that I made another thread about it.

Here's a thought: Maybe the reason so many people are pissed about the dialogue system, is because a lot of people don't like the dialogue system

A crazy theory, I know

 [Spam image removed by Moderator] 

Oh dear, I'm so sorry for suggesting that this game might not be 100% perfect. If anyone suggests that this game might not be the best game ever and have zero faults, they are HORRIBLE TROLLS AND SHOULD BE BURNED AT THE STAKE

Seriously dude, the point of this board is to talk about the game, good or bad. I have gripes about the game, and I'll continue to gripe if I want to. What are you going to do about it?

YOU JOINED TODAY

TO ONLY POST ON YOUR HATE THREAD

WHICH IS MAKING BAD COMMENTS ABOUT DAII

SPAM

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 25 février 2011 - 03:58 .

[topster88]

BeardedNinja wrote...

how does complaining and not being able to do anything about it feel?
game is gold, you can either accept it and get over it or continue to whine a about it till the cows come home, preferably away from here though.

If BioWare didn't want people to voice their concerns, why make forums?

And I'm going to stay right here, thanks. How does complaining about me and not being able to do anything about it feel?

[TJPags]

XBenotto18 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

XBenotto18 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

Lol, I love how so many people are like "Oh another one of these threads" as if it's MY fault that a lot of people are pissed off about the dialigue system and that I made another thread about it.

Here's a thought: Maybe the reason so many people are pissed about the dialogue system, is because a lot of people don't like the dialogue system

A crazy theory, I know

 [Spam image removed by Moderator] 

Oh dear, I'm so sorry for suggesting that this game might not be 100% perfect. If anyone suggests that this game might not be the best game ever and have zero faults, they are HORRIBLE TROLLS AND SHOULD BE BURNED AT THE STAKE

Seriously dude, the point of this board is to talk about the game, good or bad. I have gripes about the game, and I'll continue to gripe if I want to. What are you going to do about it?

YOU JOINED TODAY

TO ONLY POST ON YOUR HATE THREAD

WHICH IS MAKING BAD COMMENTS ABOUT DAII

SPAM

Nice - call the guy a troll while doing nothing but trolling yourself.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 25 février 2011 - 04:00 .

[Naitaka]

topster88 wrote...

Seriously dude, the point of this board is to talk about the game, good or bad. I have gripes about the game, and I'll continue to gripe if I want to. What are you going to do about it?

He's going to troll you obviously.

[XBenotto18]

Naitaka wrote...

topster88 wrote...

Seriously dude, the point of this board is to talk about the game, good or bad. I have gripes about the game, and I'll continue to gripe if I want to. What are you going to do about it?

He's going to troll you obviously.

Ya I know

[topster88]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...


Well youre playing Hawke, not you........regardless of how bioware spins it hawke is essentially another shepard, its TBD is we will get more than one game out of it, but odds seem high,

Unexpected to you could be a normal response to others........, but thats how paraphrasing works, its one of the weaker parts of the entire voiced protagonist, but its there for numerous good reasons

It's an RPG. The "RP" part of that acronym is "Role Play". It's kinda tough to role play when you have only a very vague idea of what you can say

[XBenotto18]

Modifié par XBenotto18, 25 février 2011 - 03:40 .

[MorningBird]

topster88 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...


Well youre playing Hawke, not you........regardless of how bioware spins it hawke is essentially another shepard, its TBD is we will get more than one game out of it, but odds seem high,

Unexpected to you could be a normal response to others........, but thats how paraphrasing works, its one of the weaker parts of the entire voiced protagonist, but its there for numerous good reasons

It's an RPG. The "RP" part of that acronym is "Role Play". It's kinda tough to role play when you have only a very vague idea of what you can say

Yeah.  Good thing the full game comes out March 8th!

[topster88]

XBenotto18 wrote...

Ya I know

you can either accept it and get over it or continue to whine a about
it till the cows come home, preferably away from here though.

[AtreiyaN7]

XRed_RumX wrote...

NeroSparda wrote...

XRed_RumX wrote...

Can't agree with you more op, I blame the consoles for games being dumbed down.

Bull. I'll bet a thousand bucks that one day that an PC exclusive series somehow gets dumbed down.

And it will because of the deneration of kiddies that grown up with consoles. rip gaming.

Why don't you and the OP commiserate together over the death of gaming in private - where no one else has to listen to you. And it's "generation".

[XBenotto18]

topster88 wrote...

XBenotto18 wrote...

Ya I know

you can either accept it and get over it or continue to whine a about
it till the cows come home, preferably away from here though.

just pointing out the obvious

you dont need to pms

[Helena Tylena]

topster88 wrote...

As opposed to Origins, where you had... no control over what the PC said, apart from 'good reply' 'sarcastic reply' 'evil reply' 'kill with murderknife'?

Did you actually play Origins?

I did. Just because my dialogue options were all written out doesn't mean I wasn't limited to just those few. And quite often they'd be choices between a lighthearted, diplomatic or aggressive option. There was also an Investigate option, most often preluded by "I have some questions" and ended with "I don't have any more questions".
It's basically the same, if you look at it well enough. Only less obvious.

[topster88]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Why don't you and the OP commiserate together over the death of gaming in private - where no one else has to listen to you. And it's "generation".

Oh poor you, being forced into listening to other people's opinions

Oh wait, you aren't forced to. Nevermind.