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[topster88]

WuWeiWu wrote...

That wasn't the main thrust of your post, so it didn't receive an adequate response. I believe the reason BioWare went with the radial speech menu as opposed to lists of dialogues is due to the idea that a list of diologues did not fit well nor support the vision BioWare had for the game.

BioWare has stated (somewhere) that the radial speech menu was to promote a fluid feel to speech, much like the fluid feel they are attempting to add to combat and the ten year time-gap the story spans. Not only does it make sense to use a radial speech menu as opposed to lists of dialogue with regard to DA2's game design and philosophy, it allows for a more involved dialogue.

The dialogue is not fluid nor more involved by paraphrasing the dialogue options to the point where it's difficult to figure out what they are supposed to convey.

Which doesn't really answer your question. The reason they don't write out the full response as opposed to blurbs with a 'tone' icon is... well... foregoing the paraphrase and 'tone' icon defeats the entire purpose of the radial menu. One issue with both a radial menu and a list of diologue is tone - you may read it one way, but your character speaks it another. Using tone icons and paraphrasing alleviates that issue almost entirely.

What exactly is so great about a radial menu as opposed to a list?

I feel as if the iconned radial speech menu serves DA2's game design far better than a list of dialogue, which is a conclusion that doesn't lend weight over either system - merely saying that it is the better system for DA2. In my opinion, and all that. But I'm right.

I still fail to see how a radial menu is at all different than a list

Modifié par topster88, 25 février 2011 - 04:08 .

[MorningBird]

topster88 wrote...

I still fail to see how a radial menu is at all different than a list

It's prettier.

[Thullon]

We should be able to type whatever we want and let the npcs figure it out. Problem solved.

[topster88]

The_mango55 wrote...

This has probably come up before, but I'll state it again anyway.

Have you ever played a game with fully voiced PC dialogue where you select the exact words your character says?

If so, do you not realize how boring it is to listen to your character say the exact same thing you just read?

None of the response choices in origins took longer than 2 seconds to read. I don't see how it would be boring.

[XBenotto18]

Topster88 joins today just to say bad things about DAII. So...So...So....suspicious



If you have a problem about DAII, get of the forums and make a blog. I'm sure your mommy will care about it

[topster88]

XBenotto18 wrote...

Topster88 joins today just to say bad things about DAII. So...So...So....suspicious

If you have a problem about DAII, get of the forums and make a blog. I'm sure your mommy will care about it

No, I'll stay thanks. Keep posting though, I'm having a blast flagging all your posts

[MannyJabrielle]

Thullon wrote...

We should be able to type whatever we want and let the npcs figure it out. Problem solved.

LOL That made me flash back to the old sierra adventure games (think it was sierra) where you would actually type in your commands (use X on Y, or use X with Y)....

[The_mango55]

topster88 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

This has probably come up before, but I'll state it again anyway.

Have you ever played a game with fully voiced PC dialogue where you select the exact words your character says?

If so, do you not realize how boring it is to listen to your character say the exact same thing you just read?

None of the response choices in origins took longer than 2 seconds to read. I don't see how it would be boring.

You'd think that, but you're wrong. It's not just boring, it's also annoying.

It's just very annoying to listen to your character say exactly what you've already read.

It's like if you're watching a serious movie, and your friend is beside you reading out the lines right before they are said.

[XBenotto18]

topster88 wrote...

XBenotto18 wrote...

Topster88 joins today just to say bad things about DAII. So...So...So....suspicious

If you have a problem about DAII, get of the forums and make a blog. I'm sure your mommy will care about it

No, I'll stay thanks. Keep posting though, I'm having a blast flagging all your posts

Same here

[topster88]

Thullon wrote...

We should be able to type whatever we want and let the npcs figure it out. Problem solved.

Lol, one can dream....

[topster88]

The_mango55 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

This has probably come up before, but I'll state it again anyway.

Have you ever played a game with fully voiced PC dialogue where you select the exact words your character says?

If so, do you not realize how boring it is to listen to your character say the exact same thing you just read?

None of the response choices in origins took longer than 2 seconds to read. I don't see how it would be boring.

You'd think that, but you're wrong. It's not just boring, it's also annoying.

It's just very annoying to listen to your character say exactly what you've already read.

It's like if you're watching a serious movie, and your friend is beside you reading out the lines right before they are said.

Even so, I'd rather have a silent protagonist than have the blurb system they do now

[Cloaking_Thane]

Exactly the last page already sorted this is a complete preference issue.


Case closed really

Because I prefer the DA2 system 100% more than silent protag, therefore we cancel eachother is sales, I may even buy more DA2 than you

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 25 février 2011 - 04:14 .

[MasterSamson88]

The_mango55 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

This has probably come up before, but I'll state it again anyway.

Have you ever played a game with fully voiced PC dialogue where you select the exact words your character says?

If so, do you not realize how boring it is to listen to your character say the exact same thing you just read?

None of the response choices in origins took longer than 2 seconds to read. I don't see how it would be boring.

You'd think that, but you're wrong. It's not just boring, it's also annoying.

It's just very annoying to listen to your character say exactly what you've already read.

It's like if you're watching a serious movie, and your friend is beside you reading out the lines right before they are said.

Right, it takes whatever kind of cinimatic quality it had away.

[Selene Moonsong]

This is the only warning those involved are going to get:

Discuss the topic in a civilized manner, and cease posting spam images in place of text or provided emoticons.

[topster88]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

This has probably come up before, but I'll state it again anyway.

Have you ever played a game with fully voiced PC dialogue where you select the exact words your character says?

If so, do you not realize how boring it is to listen to your character say the exact same thing you just read?

None of the response choices in origins took longer than 2 seconds to read. I don't see how it would be boring.

You'd think that, but you're wrong. It's not just boring, it's also annoying.

It's just very annoying to listen to your character say exactly what you've already read.

It's like if you're watching a serious movie, and your friend is beside you reading out the lines right before they are said.

Right, it takes whatever kind of cinimatic quality it had away.

Then have the blurbs be more descriptive and much closer to what hawke says. otherwise it's the worst of both worlds.

[MorningBird]

topster88 wrote...

Then have the blurbs be more descriptive and much closer to what hawke says. otherwise it's the worst of both worlds.

If they did that, the screen would be covered in a wall of text.

[XBenotto18]

topster88 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

topster88 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

This has probably come up before, but I'll state it again anyway.

Have you ever played a game with fully voiced PC dialogue where you select the exact words your character says?

If so, do you not realize how boring it is to listen to your character say the exact same thing you just read?

None of the response choices in origins took longer than 2 seconds to read. I don't see how it would be boring.

You'd think that, but you're wrong. It's not just boring, it's also annoying.

It's just very annoying to listen to your character say exactly what you've already read.

It's like if you're watching a serious movie, and your friend is beside you reading out the lines right before they are said.

Even so, I'd rather have a silent protagonist than have the blurb system they do now

blurb system? It makes it more cinematic. It it failed for Mass Effect. Then they wouldnt of put the damn wheel in DAII. 

[Vanni127]

sorry, but...if you can't tell the tone of what you're going to say from the words and the intent bubbles you have worse things to worry about than what your character is saying.

Also, the dialog wheel/intent bubbles are fine. I tried out all the different speech options in the demo and not once did hawke (male or female) say something I didn't expect.

[Cloaking_Thane]

they are pretty close in context, the problem is you anticipate what you want to hear.....and arent concentrating on what is said enough IMO.



Point being, the end result would have been the same either way as that was the dialogue choice, long hand or shorthand is largely irrelevant.

[topster88]

MorningBird wrote...

topster88 wrote...

Then have the blurbs be more descriptive and much closer to what hawke says. otherwise it's the worst of both worlds.

If they did that, the screen would be covered in a wall of text.

there were no walls of text in Origins, so what's the issue?

[Cloaking_Thane]

To further that last thought, If you chose the bad option in origins because you personally hate the good option purely for dialogue purposes you've somewhat ceased to RP, IMO

[Jet 300]

If you don't like what Hawke says, then just scream at your tv whatever you want him to say. THAT ladies and gentlemen, is immersion.

[XBenotto18]

Theirs 3 personalities to choose from OP. It isnt hard role play.

[topster88]

Vanni127 wrote...

sorry, but...if you can't tell the tone of what you're going to say from the words and the intent bubbles you have worse things to worry about than what your character is saying.

Also, the dialog wheel/intent bubbles are fine. I tried out all the different speech options in the demo and not once did hawke (male or female) say something I didn't expect.

So you expected Hawke to be referring to *spoiler* his dead father when the blurb said "He will not be alone'?

[Cloaking_Thane]

topster88 wrote...

Vanni127 wrote...

sorry, but...if you can't tell the tone of what you're going to say from the words and the intent bubbles you have worse things to worry about than what your character is saying.

Also, the dialog wheel/intent bubbles are fine. I tried out all the different speech options in the demo and not once did hawke (male or female) say something I didn't expect.

So you expected Hawke to be referring to *spoiler* his dead father when the blurb said "He will not be alone'?

yes, because thats fairly compasionate...