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In the LotSB DLC, Shepard gets snarky with Liara. Some people liked this
because it added personality to Shepard. But what did you think? And
should Shepard be more defined? Less defined?

[Pwener2313]

I loved the comments throught the last DLC. He's personality thought it was funny and sarcastic just like dear'ol me. Point is, he talked just like I do and the way he expressed in the DLC is the exact way I've been trying to "define" my custom Shep since the first conversation with Kaidan and Joker in the SR-1's cockpit.

[Pwener2313]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Don't assume my Shepard is really close to her.

I hated it when Shepard sat in the bed and said; "come back soon". I "cheated" on her, I don't care!

[Aedan_Cousland]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'd like more personality from Shepard, but I also want more control. For example I hate it when the office blows up and Shepard shouts, "Liara's in there!" Don't assume my Shepard is really close to her.

She was one of your team.

In the military someone who is in a command position that doesn't care about his men is a poor leader. Even if Shep isn't romancing her or isn't a close friend with her, he'd have concern for her well being at the very least as someone who had been on his team, and a comrade-in-arms.

Being a poor leader isn't really supposed to be one of Shepard's traits, whether you like it or not. There are some traits that are hard coded in the character, like his or her unshakable determination to stop the Reapers for example. Another is concern for the welfare of his team. So while a player might laugh while Jacob takes a missile to the face during the Suicide Mission, Shep feels regret or a sense of loss.

Anyway, back to the topic.

I'd like to see Shep let his guard down more. I liked the moments in LotSB where Shep could open up with Liara and confess that he's not sure how's he going to pull off defeating the Reapers, or reveal private fears that even if they do triumph, he won't live to see the Victory Parade. It made the character feel more human.

That being said, those sorts of moments should be few and only occur with certain characters that Shep may view as a confidant. Garrus, Liara, and LI, ect. It should never be in front or to the whole team. With most people he should project an air of confidence, even if he secretly isn't.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 25 février 2011 - 05:42 .

[Sajuro]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'd like more personality from Shepard, but I also want more control. For example I hate it when the office blows up and Shepard shouts, "Liara's in there!" Don't assume my Shepard is really close to her.

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that a Shepard who would go against one of the most powerful organizations in the galaxy for Liara's sake would be close to her, it comes down to how much you are roleplaying Shepard and if you would be willing not to do missions to continue that character (I wouldn't btw) I can agree with Pwner more that Shepard should say that if he cheated on her.

[JamieCOTC]

I think it worked best we we had the option to add character, like the three paragon interrupts after the Vasir battle or the "hug her" on the dialog wheel in the SB base. As much as I liked the car chase scene I think it was too scripted. Shouting out her name after the explosion, I'm torn on that. My soldier originally hated Liara, but I RP it to where they became close friends so the dialogue would fit. I understand the complaints.

As for the "Come back soon," sorry, but you'll get no sympathy from me on that. The game gives you the option to be friends/keep it professional and NOT ask her up to the cabin. There are only three places where Shepard is forced to be nice to Liara, the car chase, the explosion and the final fight outside the SB base. Everything else is optional.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 25 février 2011 - 07:19 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Yes, but only if it's totally within the control of the player to "influence" said definition. For example, when Ashley had that spiritual discussion with Shepard about her beliefs in ME1: THAT is how it should be done. Same thing with the poetry.



I feel like unavoidable, funny dialogue during combat (like the stuff you hear in LotSB) circumvents the player's control too much. I feel like having Shepard barking orders in a commanding tone would make more sense, and should even be affected by your paragon/renegade scores in some instances (ie. if Shepard is paragon, have him say something clever in response; if renegade, have him tell whoever is talking to "shut up and shoot").



The stuff where Shepard can openly discuss his feelings with Liara? More of that please, and less back-and-forth with squadmatea; reserve squadmate banter to being between squadmates and to isolated comments about your mission/the environment (by bringing back interactable squadmates during story missions, etc.).



But yeah, definitely more options for defining our characters. Give us the option to respond to a personal question once in a while. "You're Earthborn? What made you leave Earth?" "Too boring. When I grew up, I eventually saw the gangs for what they were: a crutch. I figured if I applied for a career with the Alliance, I could rise above my upbringing in a way, and become a stronger, better person." Something that gives Shepard that sorely lacking human quality (no, snarky quips aren't really what we're missing here).

[Ieldra]

No, Shepard shouldn't be more defined by the game. He, or she, should be more definable by the player.



I dislike that the game forces me to play a Shepard who lacks all subtlely and is incredibly stupid at times. I dislike that they always come from high above when they speak and where they get personal, I don't have a choice to avoid it.



The dialogue in LotSB was mostly very good. I had options to express how I'm feeling and the role my LI plays in my life. If you romanced Liara in ME1, things would play out slightly different (not different enough by far, but still) and if you don't care about her at all, the thing to do is not to invite her up in the first place.



The Collector base is the other extreme. "I'm going to blow this place sky-high". No, that is *NOT* my Shepard. Not any of them, regardless of where their decisions go in the end. Nor are they the ones who talk as if they're in 100% control of the situation in the romances and never express a hint of fear that things might go wrong, with the mission or the romances.



Many actions in the game attempt to define who you are. But rarely does any conversation option define how you feel as Shepard or why do you take certain decisions. Actions do not always speak for themselves.

[Ryzaki]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'd like more personality from Shepard, but I also want more control. For example I hate it when the office blows up and Shepard shouts, "Liara's in there!" Don't assume my Shepard is really close to her.

This. 

My Shepard couldn't give a damn about Liara. Nor did he care about Jack so that idiotic "Hurry to medical!" during the SM was irritating. 

This is supposedly a RPG. BW needs to let me RP. 

And for the record no I don't invite her up. That doesn't stop my Shep from apparenly giving a damn that she didn't look back, protecting her wih their body, hugging her, and talking to her like along lost friend. 

I want more stuff like the room invitation. Friendly but completly and utterly avoidable. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 février 2011 - 09:00 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

As always, Ieldra nailed it right on the head.

[Kaltrec]

If people don't like Liara in the first place, why do you even bother go help her with the Shadow Broker mission?

[Kim Shepard]

More options to define Shepard for ourselves would be nice, but it's annoying when a pre-defined personality is assumed for a few scenes when everything else that your Shepard does contradicts it. I'd rather nothing be pre-defined except for the obvious, like Shepard being a strong-willed person and an excellent soldier.

This contradictory pre-defined character seems to happen a lot around Liara in ME2 and the DLC, where Shepard's actions don't match up with his/her previous choices. In ME1, Shepard can come right out and say that he/she doesn't trust Liara, yell at her, threaten to leave her behind on Therum, deny her the chance to see her mother on Noveria, and be downright mean in every conversation with her... until they meet up again and hug in ME2. Then Shepard can be mean to her again, say that what she did was wrong, lie about the identity of the person trying to kill her, or just refuse to help her at all... and then act like friends in LotSB.

The option to make your Shepard act like he/she is friends with another character is great. But it shouldn't be required, especially when you can make Shepard hate that exact same character at every step of the way.

[Ryzaki]

Kaltrec wrote...

If people don't like Liara in the first place, why do you even bother go help her with the Shadow Broker mission?

Because the SB has valuable intel and things that I could use. Feron also may have info about why the SB wants Sheps body. Being able to find his/her base can be a useful bargining tool for leverage. Helping her helps Shepard. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 février 2011 - 09:01 .

[Bigdoser]

Kaltrec wrote...

If people don't like Liara in the first place, why do you even bother go help her with the Shadow Broker mission?

I am wondering this myself.

[Homebound]

Shepard IS defined. The man has muscles on his muscles.

[CroGamer002]

Bigdoser wrote...

Kaltrec wrote...

If people don't like Liara in the first place, why do you even bother go help her with the Shadow Broker mission?

I am wondering this myself.

Awesome DLC and she won't go stabby stab as SB on you?

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 février 2011 - 09:04 .

[Kim Shepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kaltrec wrote...

If people don't like Liara in the first place, why do you even bother go help her with the Shadow Broker mission?

Because the SB has valuable intel and things that I could use. Feron also may have info about why the SB wants Sheps body. Being able to find his/her base can be a useful bargining tool for leverage. Helping her helps Shepard. 

Or maybe Shepard wants some revenge against the guy who tried to hand his/her body over to the Collectors...

[Diokletian600]

Or, assuming Shepard likes working for Cerberus, you do it because you got the mission and the intel from Cerberus. Being close to Liara undoubtedly adds more motivation to taking out the Shadow Broker, but I don't see it as a requirement.

[GodWood]

Less defined.

I hated how my Shepard kept acting OOC during LotSB.

[CannotCompute]

Fully agree with what Ieldra2 said.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Kaltrec wrote...

If people don't like Liara in the first place, why do you even bother go help her with the Shadow Broker mission?

This.

If you help her with the Shadowbroker you can't complain about dialogue options that make it seem as if Shep is concerned for her well being. The inconsistency isn't with the character, it's with the gamer that decides his Shep doesn't like Liara, yet does everything possible to help her.

[wizardryforever]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

If you help her with the Shadowbroker you can't complain about dialogue options that make it seem as if Shep is concerned for her well being.

Sure I can. Shepard can have any number of reasons for helping her take down the Shadow Broker.

But is it possible to script all of those reasons?  I'd say not.  Bioware went with the most logical reason for helping Liara.  To, you know, help Liara.  The Shadow Broker is not important enough to Shepard to take down on his own, or there would be the option to do it without Liara.  You don't go looking for Liara after searching her apartment to just casually stand by when she might be blown up.  Besides, even if Shepard doesn't care for her, she is kinda critical to the mission, since she has all the intel and contacts to track down the Shadow Broker.

Anyway, back on topic.  I kinda agree that Shepard should be rather ill-defined and leave motivations and such up to the player.  However, Shepard needs to fit snugly into his/her role as savior of the galaxy, and thus needs some concrete personality that is pre-defined.  Moderation is the key here.