Grunt is baby/teenage Wrex and probably has the most awesome Shadow Broker dossier of all squadmates.
On the other hand, having both Okeer and Morinf both around the science lab - think of all the hijnx that could have been!
Should we have recruited Okeer instead of Grunt?
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#27
Posté 25 février 2011 - 12:41
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I hope Grunt will have matured a bit in ME3 (a full head plate would also look a lot better). Don't like him that much in ME2.
#28
Posté 25 février 2011 - 01:39
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If only they hadn't outright told us we'd be getting Grunt from the start. Then the buildup might have meant something.
Okeer, if done well, would have been fascinating, and certainly not a 'Wrex clone.' Wrex is an old Krogan with a pragmatic heart of virtue who gave up on life until Shepard inspired him. Okeer is a veritable mad scientist who never gave up, and never lost his vision.
And his vision is terrifying. He never hides it: to render the genophage meaningless. To get a pentultimate revenge against the Salarians, the Turians, and the galaxy for what they have done.
Okeer might have been the 'evil scientist', but he would have been intelligent. Horrifyingly, brutally, intelligent in a way that shows just how Krogan this doctor is. The sort, had he been Human, would have pushed Cerberus to more atrocious, and yet more successful, endeavors.
The contrasts, and worse the similarities, between him and Mordin would have been mind-blowingly potent.
Okeer, if done well, would have been fascinating, and certainly not a 'Wrex clone.' Wrex is an old Krogan with a pragmatic heart of virtue who gave up on life until Shepard inspired him. Okeer is a veritable mad scientist who never gave up, and never lost his vision.
And his vision is terrifying. He never hides it: to render the genophage meaningless. To get a pentultimate revenge against the Salarians, the Turians, and the galaxy for what they have done.
Okeer might have been the 'evil scientist', but he would have been intelligent. Horrifyingly, brutally, intelligent in a way that shows just how Krogan this doctor is. The sort, had he been Human, would have pushed Cerberus to more atrocious, and yet more successful, endeavors.
The contrasts, and worse the similarities, between him and Mordin would have been mind-blowingly potent.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 01:57
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
Okeer, if done well, would have been fascinating, and certainly not a 'Wrex clone...
Well said. I would have loved to see Mordin and Okeer go head to head over different issues. His loyalty mission could have involved releasing grunt in the area and testing him. Shepard could then choose to keep Okeer or replace him with "Grunt". Say Grunt attacks Okeer and Shepard's intervention determines the winner.
That would have been a lot of fun.
Ultimately, it just would have been nice to talk to a krogan scientist for longer. I was always disappointed that we didn't get to talk to the one in ME1.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 02:13
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I think that, yes, Okeer would've been the more interesting character, but Grunt brings a character relationship Shepard has yet to experience with anyone else: a quasi parent-child relationship.
That's something that I kinda dig, and something Okeer certainly wouldn't bring to the table.
That's something that I kinda dig, and something Okeer certainly wouldn't bring to the table.
#31
Posté 25 février 2011 - 04:38
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A cool old Krogan scientist with a plain AWESOME personality or a krogan teen with shiney armour?
This isn't even a question.
This isn't even a question.
#32
Posté 25 février 2011 - 05:29
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That would be a bit trite for a switch. Say, rather, that Shepard's decision is whether to let Grunt go to Tuchanka (where, it is implied, Grunt and future more like him will tip the Krogan culture in Okeer's favored direction), or let Grunt go 'free' and destroy Okeer's data, preventing the creation of any more.Saphra Deden wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Okeer, if done well, would have been fascinating, and certainly not a 'Wrex clone...
Well said. I would have loved to see Mordin and Okeer go head to head over different issues. His loyalty mission could have involved releasing grunt in the area and testing him. Shepard could then choose to keep Okeer or replace him with "Grunt". Say Grunt attacks Okeer and Shepard's intervention determines the winner.
That would have been a lot of fun.
Ultimately, it just would have been nice to talk to a krogan scientist for longer. I was always disappointed that we didn't get to talk to the one in ME1.
#33
Posté 25 février 2011 - 05:49
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TheScientist wrote...
What was the point of recruiting Okeer? Why'd the Illusive Man think he'd benefit your team?
One of the possible answers Okeer gives you before you go down to Jedore ist that perhaps he can strike a deal with the Collectors in order to secure safe passage through the Omega 4 Relay, bypassing the need for a IFF.
Even so, the simple fact that he can provide itelligence on the Collectors makes him much more useful for the mission than, say, Zaeed, Jack, Kasumi or Thane.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 05:58
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
That would be a bit trite for a switch.
Eh, it would make at least as much sense as Shepard's desire to murder Samara and recruit Morinth. In this case we've again seen the two potential squadmates battle and "prove their worth".
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 06:15
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FlyinElk212 wrote...
I think that, yes, Okeer would've been the more interesting character, but Grunt brings a character relationship Shepard has yet to experience with anyone else: a quasi parent-child relationship.
That's something that I kinda dig, and something Okeer certainly wouldn't bring to the table.
Oh, never thought of it that way
But like others, I believe Okeer would have been an interestign team mate. Krogan scientists are rare in the ME universe, meaning he's a fairly unique, non-standard Krogan to have around. While we do indeed get a bit of a special relationship with Grunt, Grunt himself is more like your typical average Krogan, so he's not exactly bringing in any fresh perspective on things or anything...
But I guess, Bioware didn't want us to have two scientists in the group...
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 06:32
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... Okeer and Mordin in the lab...
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Why am I flashing back to the "Two Wild and Crazy Guys" SNL skit?
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Why am I flashing back to the "Two Wild and Crazy Guys" SNL skit?
#37
Posté 25 février 2011 - 07:09
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Okeer having past dealings with the Collectors would have provided with some more interesting conversation topics. And his past crimes catching up with him might have made for an interesting loyalty mission. So from a certain perspective, Okeer might have been a better choice. But in the end, it wouldn't have mattered. One silent krogan or another on all the other missions wouldn't have made any difference.
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Posté 25 février 2011 - 07:21
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Trouble is if Okeer was recruited I wouldn't get anything done - I'd just have Shepard go to the port cargo and be listening to that awesome voice indefinitely.
#39
Posté 25 février 2011 - 07:28
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Technically you do actually recruit Okeer, as he does agree to join you... It's just that he dies 10mins into his employment term, so we gotta go with Grunt.
#40
Posté 25 février 2011 - 08:02
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True Okeer was so badass he died from some **** poison. 
#41
Posté 25 février 2011 - 08:54
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Well, his dossier called him the "Warlord". I think having him as a squadmate would have been epic. He brings so much to the table. His views on the Genophage would incite alot of interesting conversation. He is a Krogan Rebellions vet, so we could learn more about that through him. And a confrontation between him and Mordin would be amazing. I think Bioware skipped something great, so we could have Grunt. Don't get me wrong, Grunt is just awesome, but why couldn't we have both? Or just have Okeer in the Normandy like Joker or Kelly, and not a squadmate. Either way, I would have prefered him not dieing.
#42
Posté 25 février 2011 - 09:21
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Pwener2313 wrote...
Grunt is way better. He's smart, strong and not to mention the most powerful Krogan ever.
Grunt isnt a biotic.At least not yet.Strange considering all collectors were biotics and grunt was made with collectors tech.
#43
Posté 25 février 2011 - 09:30
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tonnactus wrote...
Grunt isnt a biotic.At least not yet.Strange considering all collectors were biotics and grunt was made with collectors tech.
Well, Krogan biotics are sort of rare to begin with, but you have a point...
#44
Posté 25 février 2011 - 09:42
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If I had a choice I'd go with Okeer also.
He seemed like a more interesting character.
He seemed like a more interesting character.
#45
Posté 25 février 2011 - 10:02
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We already had a doctor (Mordin). So no.
#46
Posté 25 février 2011 - 10:32
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what's interesting to think about is his deal with the collectors. They were the ones who gave him the technology to make grunt. so in the end, the collecters made grunt
it makes me wonder if they realized who that krogan was with me when we destroyed their human reaper. Were they like, wtf isn't that the krogan we helped make? that was dumb of us
it makes me wonder if they realized who that krogan was with me when we destroyed their human reaper. Were they like, wtf isn't that the krogan we helped make? that was dumb of us
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#47
Posté 25 février 2011 - 10:34
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also, no. grunt > okeer. he says so himself when you first release him.
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 03:42
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Okeer would have been interesting; potential back and forth with Mordin over how to properly dessimate a civilization through science, arguing the ethics of the genophage, etc. Also consider the fact that he's a millenia old warlord; his tactical insight would be incredibly valuable (we get glimpses of what he knew, or was aware of at least, through Grunt and I want more). Still though I'm happy with Grunt, makes me wonder what Wrex was like way back when.
#49
Posté 26 février 2011 - 03:51
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DPSSOC wrote...
Okeer would have been interesting; potential back and forth with Mordin over how to properly dessimate a civilization through science, arguing the ethics of the genophage, etc. Also consider the fact that he's a millenia old warlord; his tactical insight would be incredibly valuable (we get glimpses of what he knew, or was aware of at least, through Grunt and I want more). Still though I'm happy with Grunt, makes me wonder what Wrex was like way back when.
Not that I'm particularly disagreeing with your assessment, but aren't you kinda assuming that Mordin, Okeer, or any other squadmate would actually converse with each other?
#50
Posté 26 février 2011 - 04:11
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iakus wrote...
Not that I'm particularly disagreeing with your assessment, but aren't you kinda assuming that Mordin, Okeer, or any other squadmate would actually converse with each other?
Because I know intelligent people, and I know there is nothing they love more than finding other intelligent people and argue over which is more intelligent. They will cross countries, continents, and eventually worlds to do it.
