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Klencory, Saren, Wrex ,and the "Beings of Light" (ME3 Theory)


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JackShepard

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 I've been replaying the first Mass Effect lately, and my Shep was doing the rounds on the Normandy, chatting up the crew. And then I got to Wrex. He related this story that got me thinking that Klencory and the "Beings of Light" might make an appearance in ME3.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Klencory

Years before the events of ME1, Wrex was hired by Saren to raid a volus vessel out in the fringes of the galaxy. Wrex said he found nothing of value on the ship, just some food, medical supplies and some minor league weapons, adding: "If there was anything of value there, then I didn't see it."

Saren shows up. Wrex gets a bad feeling and leaves before he can get paid. Good thing too, since all the mercs he worked with on that particular job turn up dead.

So why is Saren so interested in a volus ship? Was he on the job as a Spectre, but merely outsourcing? If so, and everything was on the up and up, then why the need to silence the mercs?

Or was there something on that ship that ol' Sovereign asked him to get ahold of? Something that may have been key to the return of these "beings of light"? Remember, Saren has been in contact with Sovereign since after the events of ME Revelations, and may have been "lightly indoctrinated" at that point.

Not much evidence, I'll admit, but I have a feeling BioWare planted that all the way back in ME1 as a clue to the importance of both Klencory and that crazy volus billionaire. I fully expect us to be tasked with tracking down both Kumun Shol and whatever it was Saren was after on that ship once ME3 comes out. 

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Modifié par JackShepard, 25 février 2011 - 12:35 .


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CARL_DF90

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Hmm. Interesting that you made that connection. I totally missed it, but I also suspect that so did the rest of the writers over there at Bioware HQ. :P We'll see what happens.

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Good question about what did Saren want with that ship.

Good question about what are the beings of light and are they being brought back.

Not sure how you make the leap that the two are connected, though? Could you provide more detail?

Edit: sorry, "Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol". Dunno how I missed that, being right up top and all. Hrm... interesting...

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 25 février 2011 - 01:35 .


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JackShepard

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Someone on the net is claiming that these "beings of light" are in fact central to Mass Effect 3's story

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/58065221

There's a whole other thread discussing this theory here:

http://social.biowar...3/index/6030983

The reaction to this theory/claimed leak, however, is fairly hostile. I wasn't sure about it either, but talking to Wrex jogged my memory, and the connection just made itself in my head out of thin air; essentially it's just a massive hunch. In fact, like you, all I have now are more questions.

Why no follow up on the story at all? I doubt Wrex's story was put there just to establish that Saren was an unlikeable, untrustworthy character; the events of Eden Prime alone make that point. Why is this story even there in the first place? It doesn't really reveal anything about Wrex, except that he has good instincts about whether a deal is about to go bad. Why did the writers go out of their way to specify that it was a volus ship? It's actually a separate dialog option to get that particular tidbit out of Wrex.

Tali's stories about life in the migrant fleet set us up for her loyalty mission, and served as a prologue for the larger geth-quarian debacle that stands to be resolved in ME3. Could one of Wrex's stories also have that much significance in the larger scheme of things?


Again, this is all just conjecture on my part, but I really feel that BioWare subtly planted a few hints as to the nature of the finale of ME3.

Modifié par JackShepard, 25 février 2011 - 02:00 .


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JackShepard wrote...
The reaction to this theory/claimed leak, however, is fairly hostile.


To be fair, ANYTHING is going to have a hostile reaction, cause it's so in vogue to be critical.  I like the idea of beings of light, and am just wondering why they have been unable to do their job for at least this cycle and the last, if they do in fact exist.

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Perhaps it's another reason to leave behind a vanguard like Sovereign - to make sure they stay buried beneath the sands of Klencory. Perhaps that's why Sovereign dispatched Saren to take care of that particular vessel - maybe it contained the key to getting those beings of light back on the damn job.



If the supposedly leaked storyline has any truth to it, it indicates that this conflict of "Reapers vs. Beings of Light" plays itself out across the entire universe, which is to say, over billions of galaxies just like the Milky Way. It could be that we are in a sector of the universe that happens to be Reaper controlled.

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I don't buy the claims of the GameFAQs member and his imaginary friend at Bioware. It does seem likely that the "beings of light" will play a role in ME3, but here's another possibility: maybe they're red herrings.

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Anything in the planetary descriptions could be red herrings just to keep us guessing, which was why I was skeptical about the whole gamefaqs guy with the "disgruntled friend at BioWare". However, taken in conjunction with what we know about the volus billionaire and Klencory, it seemed to fit nicely. The whole Wrex story seems a bit too subtle to be a red herring, since by definition, red herrings call your attention away from the real action.



But as I said, all this is idle speculation.



Whether it has anything to do with ME3 or not, one question still remains. What did Saren want on that volus cargo ship that was worth hiring mercs and then killing them off to silence them? Just curious, is all.

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Beings of light... perhaps it's the Hanar... they are beings of light, somewhat... they speak using fluoresence

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kidbd15 wrote...

Beings of light... perhaps it's the Hanar... they are beings of light, somewhat... they speak using fluoresence


Blasto to the rescue. :ph34r:

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I hate to admit it but that's a solid theory. I think it's incorrect though. Despite the overwhelming evidence that points to it, Bioware hammers in the fact that Mass Effect is "Shepard's story". They seem to make note of that in almost every interview. I think it would be disingenuous to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the end and have all Shepard's work be trivial.

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JackShepard wrote...

Perhaps it's another reason to leave behind a vanguard like Sovereign - to make sure they stay buried beneath the sands of Klencory. Perhaps that's why Sovereign dispatched Saren to take care of that particular vessel - maybe it contained the key to getting those beings of light back on the damn job.

If the supposedly leaked storyline has any truth to it, it indicates that this conflict of "Reapers vs. Beings of Light" plays itself out across the entire universe, which is to say, over billions of galaxies just like the Milky Way. It could be that we are in a sector of the universe that happens to be Reaper controlled.


Something I also noticed is that in the book Retribution, assuming Bioware will give it a nod in ME3 like they did with Revelation/Ascension in ME1/ME2 respectively, [SPOILER] doesn't Grayson, when under Reaper control, say something like "they do this for our salvation as well as their own"?  So the Reapers are also doing the mass extinctions for their own salvation, apparently.  In that case, could wiping out all life in the galaxy be their way of preventing the "Beings of Light" from returning, or maybe harvesting galactic civilizations as a way of preparing for their return once again?  Just my speculation building off your theory...

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I recently learned about cut phrase from the final sentence of the Harbinger, after
"That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction." he said.

"You will surrender your potential against the growing void."
"We return, and you will rise!"

I learned this from the subtitle file.

When you consider that the motives of the Reapers more than the destruction, if they want to help, let such a horrible way, you have to fight until the moment while you can win, but the fight to the death does not make sense. If you see that the resistance will not lead to victory, it is logical to surrender and accept the gift of greatness.
To go beyond life and death, to become someone out of time, to find the ultimate meaning of existence.

I would like to see in one of the endings Mass Effect 3 Human-Reaper said by metallic voice of Shepard:
"The cycle can not be broken."

Because it would be symbolic. Shepard realizes that resistance is no longer possible, we can not win, Reapers can not be stopped and have only way - to surrender and accept the gift of the Reapers.

Reapers are not empty AI they have motives deeper than global destruction.

When millions are processed into jellies, creates a unified consciousness, but consciousness is aware of himself as a representative of the destroyed race. Accepting motives of the Reapers.
- Sovereign: "We are each a nation. Independent, free of all weakness."

For example, all religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.

Perhaps in the distant past Reapers did not wanted to die and have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.

I sincerely believe that the Reapers are not ancient Skynet.

All once begins.
And in the heyday race Reapers, when they were not metal monsters, they too were not alone. Must have been other races.

Everything has a beginning, but everything has an end.
Occurred an event which prompted the Reapers to become such - the flesh in the metal. Everyone should understand that no one, on their own, do not agree to be processed into jelly, and then become a monster, but it was a necessary measure. Otherwise death.
But in those days, Reapers have not destroyed other races. Other races may have found other ways to survive after the cataclysm. They were "beings of light ". They did not turn into metal monsters, they are transformed, moved to a new level of life.

After many years of Reapers began to justify themselves, by what they have. They thought it was a weal, they not only saved themselves, now they top of evolution, now they gods.
They decided that the gods could decide the fate of others.
They will choose a worthy, to bring them closer to the gods.

"Beings of light " decided that they will be watching, but never will not interfere in the affairs of mortals.

Here's a story.

I see several possible endings of Mass Effect:

- Heavy losses, there is no chance of winning, Shepard takes the side of the Reapers, as Saren he does it to save lives. Humanity becomes the new Reaper, people are no more, but they will be one of those who step to a new level of evolution. The Cycle can not be broken.

- The Allies came to the rescue, but their strength is not enough, Reapers can not be stopped, they are indestructible. And at a time, when light of hope is almost extinguished, come those who always watched, but never interfered in the course of events. I'm talking about the "beings of light", those about who were in the vision of volus on planet Klenkory.

I told you, I think, incredible story where all actions have meaning. It was much harder than it seems that evil is not absolute, that every evil have a motives. That is not so obvious as it seems at first glance.

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A "compromise" theory would also be for the beings of light to have existed - in the past.

Perhaps these beings of light lost the war completely to the reapers, and Shep's job isn't to bring them back and have them save us from the reapers, but to build on what these beings of light knew and left behind and kick reaper ass.

Think of finding the secrets of these beings of light as the quest to find Ilos. There'd be something like Vigil to provide some exposition and offer up an incomplete key to the reaper's defeat. Our Shepards, the past actions they've taken, plus their sheer awesomeness, will complete that key.

This way, the past actions of our Sheps aren't trivialized and BioWare will happily point to subtly planting clues to all this all the way back in ME1 to earn bragging rights about about their trilogy plotting abilities.

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social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/6030983/1

basically this says it all

Modifié par xenoreaper, 03 mars 2011 - 12:11 .