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[OurSacrifice]

Seems to me like the general perception from a large core group of the Bioware fanbase is that they're disappointed with DA2.

Whether it's the flashy gameplay and complete lack of tactical options, to the poor voice acting, lack of atmosphere, the feeling of going backwards from the forward progress that the first game achieved.

Sure there are some that like it, and from what I've seen the majority that do didn't like the 1st one as much (yes there are people that like both so there's no need to spam flood the thread stating you do).

Just curious as to how Bioware is reacting to the shock and awe of the state of this particular franchise.  I thought Brent was being a little melodramatic on his blog when he gave reasons for why he left, but after seeing the demo, I can see where he was coming from.

Is this the new direction of the company itself?  Are we truly past the days of tactical combat in your RPGs?

My feelings after playing can be summed up briefly:

"Very disappointed in Bioware." 

[ACDimps]

Bioware doesn't care. The demo hit 1,000,000, people are going to buy tons of DLC, and the GIGGLESQUEE devs will be sitting on a pile of cash

[Weaverjho]

They're busy bathing in money and buying wigs.

[rob_k]

I'd hardly say it's the core of their fanbase. 70 -78% of the people who've participated in polls have said they're keeping their pre-order or pre-ordering. This applies to being satisfied with the demo (even if there are some issues).

It's just that the ones who complain make it seem like there's a lot of people unhappy. Not to mention the actual trolls who have no interest in the game and such.

Edit: Like the person below said as well, keep in mind that the demo's on normal and from an earlier build. This was confirmed by devs. Not to mention that the demo's at the start of the game. By watching the videos from Gamespot, you can quite clearly see that the person playing is pausing a lot on the console. (This'll apply to the PC)

Modifié par rob_k, 25 février 2011 - 12:43 .

[Morroian]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Is this the new direction of the company itself?  Are we truly past the days of tactical combat in your RPGs?
 

No because DA2 is a tactical rpg, if you can't see the tactical side of it you didn't dig deep enough.

[OurSacrifice]

rob_k wrote...

I'd hardly say it's the core of their fanbase. 70 -78% of the people who've participated in polls have said they're keeping their pre-order or pre-ordering. This applies to being satisfied with the demo (even if there are some issues).

It's just that the ones who complain make it seem like there's a lot of people unhappy. Not to mention the actual trolls who have no interest in the game and such.

Polls aren't representative of core fanbase.  This dumbed down product has a wide appeal to casual gamers and is purely a slap in the face of the community that gave Bioware the success they currently have.  Had it not been for the overwhelming support they recieved during the Infinity Engine days nobody would be sitting here discussing their games today.  Sure, they've created an entirely new set of fans from the console world because this game is simplistic in design and execution.  No thought process is required above moving away from "big hits".

This is not a sequal to the original from a gameplay perspective.  This style of game would have been better served as a Jade Empire sequal instead.

Morroian wrote...

No because DA2 is a tactical rpg, if you can't see the tactical side of it you didn't dig deep enough.

There is nothing tactical about this game.

Modifié par OurSacrifice, 25 février 2011 - 12:45 .

[AkiKishi]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Seems to me like the general perception from a large core group of the Bioware fanbase is that they're disappointed with DA2.

Whether it's the flashy gameplay and complete lack of tactical options, to the poor voice acting, lack of atmosphere, the feeling of going backwards from the forward progress that the first game achieved.

Sure there are some that like it, and from what I've seen the majority that do didn't like the 1st one as much (yes there are people that like both so there's no need to spam flood the thread stating you do).

Just curious as to how Bioware is reacting to the shock and awe of the state of this particular franchise.  I thought Brent was being a little melodramatic on his blog when he gave reasons for why he left, but after seeing the demo, I can see where he was coming from.

Is this the new direction of the company itself?  Are we truly past the days of tactical combat in your RPGs?

My feelings after playing can be summed up briefly:

"Very disappointed in Bioware." 

Bioware might care, at least some of the employees who go back a long way. EA , won't give a monkeys. They are about the bottom line.

I just got through replaying Killzone the series ready for KZ 3 later, each improves on the last but the game is the same style. That's what I was hoping for with Dragon Age, not Mass Effect in fantasy land.

Dragon Age was a unique game. DA2, not so much, strip the high production values and action rpgs are two a penny.

Playing DA2 demo is like playing an anime only without any of the good parts.

EA own Bioware so you can't really lay the blame of Bioware,the choice is either keep your job and tow the comany line or do what Brent seems to have done.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 25 février 2011 - 12:47 .

[The_Illusive]

DA 2 is more for the console players

[rob_k]

OurSacrifice wrote...

rob_k wrote...

I'd hardly say it's the core of their fanbase. 70 -78% of the people who've participated in polls have said they're keeping their pre-order or pre-ordering. This applies to being satisfied with the demo (even if there are some issues).

It's just that the ones who complain make it seem like there's a lot of people unhappy. Not to mention the actual trolls who have no interest in the game and such.

Polls aren't representative of core fanbase.  This dumbed down product has a wide appeal to casual gamers and is purely a slap in the face of the community that gave Bioware the success they currently have.  Had it not been for the overwhelming support they recieved during the Infinity Engine days nobody would be sitting here discussing their games today.  Sure, they've created an entirely new set of fans from the console world because this game is simplistic in design and execution.  No thought process is required above moving away from "big hits".

Really? You speak for everyone then? I've bought BG, BG2, PST, IWD etc. and the newer releases (only ones I don't own are Jade Empire and the Mass Effect games due to my Xbox breaking).

I even bought Origins twice.

So, you claim to speak for me and everyone else? You've played the entire game too?

Funny that the game plays rather the same as Origins as well combat wise, outside of camera changes, animations and faster combat.

But hey, let's disregard that and just call it an action game.

This is not a new topic either.

Edit: I know how it is though, you want to think you're with the majority. I can relate, but you really shouldn't disregard polls and just claim your opinion as fact without evidence. Nor speak for every one who enjoys Bioware's games.

Modifié par rob_k, 25 février 2011 - 12:53 .

[upsettingshorts]

Well, I think they're probably reading the feedback in the DA2 demo feedback thread.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 février 2011 - 12:49 .

[Lumikki]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Seems to me like the general perception from a large core group of the Bioware fanbase is that they're disappointed with DA2.

How did you come in this conlusion?

Like usually, based how person him/her self feels?

Modifié par Lumikki, 25 février 2011 - 12:50 .

[OurSacrifice]

rob_k wrote...

This is not a new topic either.

Ok bye please don't respond in my thread anymore, especially if you're incapable of reading comprehension.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

Dragon Age: Origins is my all-time favourite game and I like the changes they've made for DA2( except camera and I don't mean the top-down view). If you think that the game is not tactical anymore then you clearly don't know what you are talking about.


Most people aren't disappointed by the changes... There is a VOCAL minority who bi*ch and whine about everything. Also all the arrogant D&D hardcore whinners need to STFU. There are even people complaing about the voiced main character. WOW!

I can't wait to play the full game and see if it's better or worse than DA:O

Modifié par PhrosniteAgainROFL, 25 février 2011 - 12:55 .

[OurSacrifice]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well, I think they're probably reading the feedback in the DA2 demo feedback thread.

I didn't ask if they were reading our feedback you ankle biting cheerleader.

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins is my all-time favourite game and I like the changes they've made for DA2. If you think that the game is not tactical anymore then you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Most people aren't disappointed by the changes... There are a VOCAL minority who bi*ch and whine about everything. Aldo all the arrogant D&D hardcore whinners need to STFO. 

I can't wait to play the full game and see if it's better or worse than DA:O

How so?  There's nothing tactical about it anymore.  You run around, zoom from enemy to enemy blowing everything up and cleaving your way to victory.  Or you sit back, twirl your staff around like it's a tooth pick, and then unleash a firestorm from hell spell that just starts gibbing enemies left and right.  There's no more positioning, there's no more feeling of needing to control the entire party, it's simplified.  What's tactical about it?

Modifié par OurSacrifice, 25 février 2011 - 12:53 .

[kreite]

the ones who loved the demo and what they've seen and heard so far (the majority in other words) simply don't feel any need to post until there is something to post about, and will only really be when the game is released. So fear not, view them like fade spirits.

I do not refer to the forum-goers who visit the appreciation threads and actually appreciate the characters among other etc.

[rob_k]

OurSacrifice wrote...

rob_k wrote...

This is not a new topic either.

Ok bye please don't respond in my thread anymore, especially if you're incapable of reading comprehension.

I can read, thankyou very much.

The topic may be new, but saying it's a dumbed down action game along with the other complaints isn't. It's not even true.

You know what? I probably wouldn't even have a problem if you didn't claim to speak for others.

Modifié par rob_k, 25 février 2011 - 12:52 .

[upsettingshorts]

OurSacrifice wrote...

I didn't ask if they were reading our feedback you ankle biting cheerleader.

What separates an "ankle biting cheerleader" who has played every Bioware game since Baldur's Gate 1 from a disappointed "core fan" who has played every Bioware game since Baldur's Gate 1?

An opinion. 

[wolfsite]

Ya if you go to any developer/publisher message board the majority that post are people who just complain or nit-pick about something, if they felt that was the majority I doubt they would bother to make anything.

[kingjezza]

Away from these forums the opinions I've seen have been mostly negative, especially from those who liked Origins.



Obviously there will be exceptions, so I know some will like both, lucky them

[AkiKishi]

OurSacrifice wrote...
There is nothing tactical about this game.

Morroian wrote...
No because DA2 is a tactical rpg, if you can't see the tactical side of it you didn't dig deep enough.

Your both correct. The options are there, but you don't need them,at least as far as the demo is concerned.
I'm the sort of gamer who does not do unnecessary things, I did the demo without even hitting the potion button.Or pausing to give any orders

Even on normal the game should probably require a bit more of the player.

It's still very subjective and experiences will vary.But compared to my DA experiences, much less tactical.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 25 février 2011 - 12:57 .

[Zkyire]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Seems to me like the general perception from a large core group of the Bioware fanbase is that they're disappointed with DA2.

1) The people on this forum are only a small fraction of the fanbase.

2) Only a small fraction of the people of said small fraction of the fanbase are disappointed.

[rob_k]

kingjezza wrote...

Away from these forums the opinions I've seen have been mostly negative, especially from those who liked Origins.

Obviously there will be exceptions, so I know some will like both, lucky them

I've seen this too, but people whine about everything. I read game websites, but I never post on them or other forums apart from here.

Point's taken though. So, I'm not disregarding what you said in the slightest.

Modifié par rob_k, 25 février 2011 - 12:57 .

[OurSacrifice]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

1) The people on this forum are only a small fraction of the fanbase.

2) Only a small fraction of the people of said small fraction of the fanbase are disappointed.

I'm not talking about this forum when I'm talking about the core Bioware fanbase.  This forum, especially since the EA buyout, has gone to the pits.  All of us old Infinity Engine fans moved to another forum and we almost all still post there.  That's where the disappointment is that's where the core fanbase is showing their displeasure.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

OurSacrifice how old are you? 12? THE GAME IS ON NORMAL! It's easier than DA:O normal which wasn't hard at all with the exception of a few difficulty spikes. The friendly fire is TURNED OFF!!!

I will play the game on hardcore and won't bother with the normal difficulty and I'm sure that the combat will be  strategic and way more satisfying than DA:O or BG2's for that matter.

Modifié par PhrosniteAgainROFL, 25 février 2011 - 01:03 .

[Rune-Chan]

Hopefully they will realise that the people on these forums who **** and moan like there is no tomorrow, are not only in the minority of the Dragon Age fan-base, but also of the forums as well.

If they listened to every single complaint and took them to heart then their games would be horrific, hopefully they will pick and choose the ones that make sense, and have a logical reason behind them.

Especially considering the complete and utter bullsh*t people are coming out with:

"In Dragon Age 2 you have to press the attack button each time you want to attack. It is no longer an RPG."

What the hell?

The only two "major" differences so far:

- Pressing the attack button each time you wish to attack.
- The dialogue system now being based upon what you wish to convey as opposed to the actual wording itself.

The levelling system is pretty much the same, it just looks a little different and is actually more logical as it give you more choice.

The inventory system wasn't shown, so nobody can moan about that yet.

The voice acting is still great, the graphics are improved (360 version is at least), the controls and tactical aspects of combat are still there.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 25 février 2011 - 01:10 .