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[Walker White]

Autolycus wrote...

Most people over the age of say 35, are probbaly very disappointed with the direction EA is taking Bioware asa company...under 25, they probably love the new direction (though thats purely my own opinion).

Being in this (much) older demographic, I dispute this is the case.  I love what BioWare is doing.  I am tired of the silly restrictions that cRPGs developed in the 90s because of the technical limitations of the medium at the time.  I have said it before, and will say it again: the late 90s and early 00s were the dark ages of RPGs because the hobby contracted to a very narrow definition of the term.  In fact, the success of d20 killed off many of the other RPG systems out there that were just holding on to market share.  Compare this to the wealth of bizarre RPGs we had in the 80s.

I have seen many people my age on this forum who feel the same way.  But I am not going to claim that my anecdotal evidence is better than your anecdotal evidence.

[Aidunno]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

Hopefully they will realise that the people on these forums who **** and moan like there is no tomorrow, are not only in the minority of the Dragon Age fan-base, but also of the forums as well.

If they listened to every single complaint and took them to heart then their games would be horrific, hopefully they will pick and choose the ones that make sense, and have a logical reason behind them.

The people that flood these forums are not representative of the core Bioware fanbase. These forums used to not be flooded with console users and action-adventure fans. These forums used to be a place for people that only like RPGs to post.

So you're saying these forums don't have people who have played games since text only adventures and do not even own a console. I've also been a fan of Bioware for a long time so I beg to differ with your argument. Sorry to rain on your parade but my opinion is just as worthwhile as yours. I've simply learnt not to be narrow minded when it comes to new things. Bioware are not the only ones with RPG's and thankfully games do evolve.

[Cloaking_Thane]

What about 25-35, I have a feeling thats still a large demographic of VG players, as its the NES generation

[rob_k]

Autolycus wrote...

Kotor II was a mess indeed Bob, but not entirely Obsidians fault...though they get the blame in most instances.
As for DA2, it's all very 'fun' and quick, and dare I say it, very, very consolised. Now thats not neccessarily a bad thing, but it's a world away from a Bioware RPG and DA:O in particular as it can be.

rob....apologies, just gets my goat how many people on this site think Bioware did make it.

No worries at all, no offense was taken.

Haven't completed Fallout: New Vegas due to bugs, but I'm told they've fixed a lot with patches. AP however didn't deserve the reputation it got.

I can only hope DA 2 does the whole branching thing as well as AP. The potential's there to do it as well as or better than AP, but it's just whether they manage it.

Edit: As people are getting into the age discussion as well, I'm 25 and I've enjoyed every game from BioWare and Obsidian/Black Isle. I'm sure I'll enjoy DA 2 as well, though I might be dissapointed if the branching isn't done well. (I also play lots of different games though in different genres) I played the BG games when I was in high school I believe.

Modifié par rob_k, 25 février 2011 - 02:09 .

[Walker White]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

What about 25-35, I have a feeling thats still a large demographic of VG players, as its the NES generation

I agree, and my (possibly unfounded) belief is that this is the generation most resistant to change.  I base this solely on the fact that a large number of the nay sayers refer to "old school RPGs" as something I was playing in graduate school.

Modifié par Walker White, 25 février 2011 - 02:09 .

[AkiKishi]

Autolycus wrote...

Kotor II was a mess indeed Bob, but not entirely Obsidians fault...though they get the blame in most instances.
As for DA2, it's all very 'fun' and quick, and dare I say it, very, very consolised. Now thats not neccessarily a bad thing, but it's a world away from a Bioware RPG and DA:O in particular as it can be.

rob....apologies, just gets my goat how many people on this site think Bioware did make it.

I know it's one of the great "What if" ? moments in gaming...

With DA2 for me it's like death by a 1000 cuts. There are lot of things that just add up rather than a single overwheming dislike of anything in particular.

[DrunkenMagicianNL]

kingjezza wrote...

Personally I try to ignore the extremes on both sides, either the "omg DA2 is the best game ever" or "omg this is the worst game ever" threads I mostly ignore.

I guess for some and I'll include myself in this the negativity comes from disappointment in the direction the game has gone, some say it's pretty much the same but it doesn't look, play or feel the same for me. If it was a new game then I would just move on and not give it a second thought but many have an investment in the series now thanks to the first game. In the end I'll just be one of those who doesn't get the game he wants, I suspect they'll be many, just as I expect they'll be many who love everything about DA2 and get the game they want, you can't please everybody right.

I too am very disappointed in the game, based on what I've seen so far (interviews, previews, demo). I have played all the games BioWare made from Baldurs Gate till Mass Effect 2 (another disappointment, I liked the first game more), but I guess those who like slow-paced tactical role playing games are a minority.

[Brawne]

Haters will hate...

[Olof85]

Is DA2 what everyone wants? No, probably not. Is it dumbed down? I hardly think so. Have it been streamlined, yes, a bit.



I didnt have to pause much in the demo, and I didnt use any potions either. Could I play tactical if I wanted to, yes, not an issue. Everyhting needed for it is there. In some areas it gave me more options than origins ever did. I didnt need to be very tactical, but I could if I wanted to. Demo was stuck on normal. I am sure hard and nightmare will be much more of a challange. People are speaking as if Origins was some sort of a tactical monster. It wasnt. On normal and easy u didnt have to pause the game either. And sometimes combat was a bit like a chore. DA2 at least present me with a little more action and eyecandy while I play.



People are afraid of change. Have always been. Those most afraid are also those being most vocal. This overwhelming opposition against DA2 is not nearly as real as it seems. I hope those that are able to voice thier concerns and opinions in a constructive and logical way can get their fears put at ease, becuase I think they eventually will be pleasantly suprised. However that said. Some changes may not a appeal to all, and they never will. Thats a shame, but there is nothing bioware or anyone else can do about that. Whining, flaming and extreme negativity without any real arguments like this thread actualy pretty much is, is not the way to go.

[Amioran]

Autolycus wrote...
Probably yes. I think the biggest problem here is the demographics. Most people over the age of say 35, are probbaly very disappointed with the direction EA is taking Bioware asa company...under 25, they probably love the new direction (though thats purely my own opinion).

I respect your opinion, but why it should be a problem of demographics? For the old "true rpgers" concept? Because those that are above 35 can only take care of 1 movement every 10 minutes on the screen?

But maybe you are right, in a sense. Age brings a problem to many people in this era: inadaptability to change and increased intolerance to everything they don't supposedly like, even if it is only an impression, mixed with a general adaptation to mediocrity as the aspired goal to have an happy existence (no matter what the costs).

And to think that sometime ago age was meant to bring wiseness and old people were respected for that and for what they had to teach. Now the trend is changed and I think wiseness is more on the young people if not only for their fearless attitude and ambition, if they are intelligent enough to warrant an interest.

Modifié par Amioran, 25 février 2011 - 02:16 .

[Mipharos]

kreite wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

Hopefully
they will realise that the people on these forums who **** and moan
like there is no tomorrow, are not only in the minority of the Dragon
Age fan-base, but also of the forums as well.

If they listened to
every single complaint and took them to heart then their games would be
horrific, hopefully they will pick and choose the ones that make sense,
and have a logical reason behind them.

Especially considering the complete and utter bullsh*t people are coming out with:

"In Dragon Age 2 you have to press the attack button each time you want to attack. It is no longer an RPG."

What the hell?

The only two "major" differences so far:

- Pressing the attack button each time you wish to attack.
- The dialogue system now being based upon what you wish to convey as opposed to the actual wording itself.

The
levelling system is pretty much the same, it just looks a little
different and is actually more logical as it give you more choice.

The inventory system wasn't shown, so nobody can moan about that yet.

The
voice acting is still great, the graphics are improved (360 version is
at least), the controls and tactical aspects of combat are still there.

We need more people like you mate.

*Edit* I quoted the wrong post originally...

I second that, normally I don't post on the forums much at all.... but this "experiment" with a demo has caused all sorts of needless anxiety, for as much as I may regret saying it.... I hope they don't "Demo" anything else again... They've never needed to do so in the past, they shouldn't feel pressured to do so in the future...

Modifié par Mipharos, 25 février 2011 - 02:16 .

[Walker White]

Amioran wrote...

Because those that are above 35 can only take care of 1 movement every 10 minutes on the screen?

To be fair, your reflexes slow down a lot when you get to be our age.  That is why I love BioWare games and hate the new Fallouts.  BioWare gives me a pause button, but still allows me to play the same game that the younger people play.  Bethesda tells me I have to live with VATS, which is one of the worst innovations to ever curse an RPG.

[Walker White]

Inarborat wrote...

DAII has the same silly restrictions old crps had.  

Setting wise, I don't disagree.  I am talking about innovation in mechanics.  Even there, DAII is a lot more traditional than say ME2.

[Amioran]

Walker White wrote...

To be fair, your reflexes slow down a lot when you get to be our age.  That is why I love BioWare games and hate the new Fallouts.  BioWare gives me a pause button, but still allows me to play the same game that the younger people play.  Bethesda tells me I have to live with VATS, which is one of the worst innovations to ever curse an RPG.

Fine. However I don't see DA2 changing this trend so my comment was referred to this and was meant to be sarcastic.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Walker White wrote...

Amioran wrote...

Because those that are above 35 can only take care of 1 movement every 10 minutes on the screen?

To be fair, your reflexes slow down a lot when you get to be our age.  That is why I love BioWare games and hate the new Fallouts.  BioWare gives me a pause button, but still allows me to play the same game that the younger people play.  Bethesda tells me I have to live with VATS, which is one of the worst innovations to ever curse an RPG.

The pause button is a great equalizer!

For your above assumption I am just now in that age group and I love the direction games are headed, i've played on all platforms gaming since i was 5 or so, You just have to roll with the times and adapt, otherwise you could lose a hobby you enjoy

The best game for me remains, as always, Oregon Trail

[Maconbar]

Autolycus wrote...

While everyone is whining....
I was a big detractor of DA2, and while I still think there are many things I do not agree with and like, i enjoyed the demo enough to pre-order the game.
Will i love it? Probably not no, will I enjoy it enough to warrent £25? Probably yes. I think the biggest problem here is the demographics. Most people over the age of say 35, are probbaly very disappointed with the direction EA is taking Bioware asa company...under 25, they probably love the new direction (though thats purely my own opinion).

Lastly, and this really annoys the hell out of me, to all the Bioware fanboys...PS:T was NEVER developed by Bioware, it has never been, never was, and never will be a Bioware game.

/rant over.

Who suggested that PS:T was made by Bioware?

[rob_k]

Auto thought I was referring to Planescape being made by BioWare, though I was mainly meaning I bought all the Infinity Engine games rather than BioWare's games.

No harm done in any case.

Modifié par rob_k, 25 février 2011 - 02:25 .

[fides5]

I'm also don't like DA 2, not because it bad or anything.

But because DA:O is better Imo.

[upsettingshorts]

Maconbar wrote...

Who suggested that PS:T was made by Bioware?

Generally speaking and not just in this thread, some have but mostly I've seen it brought up in two contexts:

* It was a game that was well received that had fixed companion outfits, like DA2 does.
* It was a game that was well received that took place mostly in one area, like DA2 does.

I mean, occasionally people have either implied or said that it was a Bioware game - but most just stuck to describing the paticular feature and how if it worked in that game it can work in others.  I never played it, so I wasn't making those posts, though.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 février 2011 - 02:27 .

[rob_k]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Who suggested that PS:T was made by Bioware?

Generally speaking and not just in this thread, some have but mostly I've seen it brought up in two contexts:

* It was a game that was well received that had fixed companion outfits, like DA2 does.
* It was a game that was well received that took place mostly in one area, like DA2 does.

I mean, occasionally people have either implied or said that it was a Bioware game - but most just stuck to describing the paticular feature and how if it worked in that game it can work in others.  I never played it, so I wasn't making those posts, though.

The game's writing and story is up there with novels. Some of the best writing in a game ever, in my view. You should check it out.  Can be bought cheap from GOG.com.

[KezzieZ]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

Hopefully they will realise that the people on these forums who **** and moan like there is no tomorrow, are not only in the minority of the Dragon Age fan-base, but also of the forums as well.

If they listened to every single complaint and took them to heart then their games would be horrific, hopefully they will pick and choose the ones that make sense, and have a logical reason behind them.

The people that flood these forums are not representative of the core Bioware fanbase. These forums used to not be flooded with console users and action-adventure fans. These forums used to be a place for people that only like RPGs to post.

I love RPGs and particularly Bioware games, but this comment has been reallly bothering me.
It feels like you're trying to insinuate that console users and anyone who like action-adventure games certainly can't be true fans. If that's what you mean, you're sounding pretty elitest despite the fact that they have valid opinions, too. In fact, I can't say much about action-adventure games for the most part, but I play console myself, partially because my computer is too old for this stuff and I can't replace it at this moment.
Sorry if I was looking to hard into your reply and misinterpreted, though.