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[panamakira]

Purple People Eater wrote...

Also, your relationships in this game go much deeper than just knocking boots, but thats all ill say for those who dont want to know.

I don't want to know more but I'll be happy if that's the case. Relationship depth beyond Origins is definitely a plus plus.

[Riona45]

Err...I would argue that relationships in BioWare games (with party members, anyway) have always gone deeper than just "knocking boots"...since Baldur's Gate II, actually.

I take it was it meant is that sex isn't essentially the "end goal" of the romance track? Again, that's nothing new either, but I'm assuming it's more about developing a long term relationship that goes well beyond the initial "courtship" stage.

Modifié par Riona45, 26 février 2011 - 05:28 .

[PrinceOfFallout13]

the story wasnt origins strong point but the story telling and characters where



the same will happen here mark me on it

[Riona45]

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

[Anathemic]

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

I find a history textbook more intriguing than excellent storytelling of Little Red Riding Hood

[Mad-Max90]

Those damn swedes

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Anathemic wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

I find a history textbook more intriguing than excellent storytelling of Little Red Riding Hood

that explains your obsession with certain game

[Anathemic]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

I find a history textbook more intriguing than excellent storytelling of Little Red Riding Hood

that explains your obsession with certain game

Hm? I prefer good lore over good storytelling. Tolkien isn't the best storyteller (Silmarllion) but I love the mythology in his works, Diablo franchise is sub-par to decent in storytelling but I'm a sucker for the lore of the universe.

Now to address your quote, I've obsessions with many games, I am a gamer after all

[Riona45]

Anathemic wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

I find a history textbook more intriguing than excellent storytelling of Little Red Riding Hood

You think history is fiction?  Interesting.

[Anathemic]

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

I find a history textbook more intriguing than excellent storytelling of Little Red Riding Hood

You think history is fiction?  Interesting.

When did story equate to fiction? You're taking my quote out of context (way out of context).

I remember back in Middle School I found the stories of real-life accounts in the American Civil War more interesting than the standard fiction English novels I had to read.

[panamakira]

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

This. I didn't think Origins story was amazing, it was ok and typical of RPGs. I expect the same with DA2. I want as much depth in characters and storytelling as Origins with lots of shades of gray decisions.

[Anathemic]

panamakira wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

This. I didn't think Origins story was amazing, it was ok and typical of RPGs. I expect the same with DA2. I want as much depth in characters and storytelling as Origins with lots of shades of gray decisions.

It might feel that way to you, but to me Dragon Age: Origins didn't have that many shades of gray morality descisions.

[XBenotto18]

PAY PER VIEW FIGHTS

MAIN EVENT

Anathemic vs Everyone

Who Will Win?

Modifié par XBenotto18, 26 février 2011 - 06:05 .

[Saibh]

XBenotto18 wrote...

PAY PER VIEW FIGHT

MAIN EVENT

Anathemic vs Everyone

Who Will Win?

SHEPARD.

Cos no matter what scars you bear
Whatever uniform you wear
You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard
But you'll never be better than Commander Shepard!

Modifié par Saibh, 26 février 2011 - 06:04 .

[Riona45]

Anathemic wrote...
When did story equate to fiction? You're taking my quote out of context (way out of context).

...Or you just used an inappropriate (and somewhat spiteful) analogy.

Modifié par Riona45, 26 février 2011 - 06:05 .

[Black-Xero]

Anathemic wrote...

It might feel that way to you, but to me Dragon Age: Origins didn't have that many shades of gray morality descisions.

It sort of depends on your view of what is evil and good.

Modifié par Black-Xero, 26 février 2011 - 06:04 .

[heretica]

Lol @ game reviews... does anyone really follow them? to me is an e-peen fest...

Modifié par Catt128, 26 février 2011 - 06:05 .

[panamakira]

Anathemic wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

I do tend to believe that storytelling might be more important than the actual story, myself.

This. I didn't think Origins story was amazing, it was ok and typical of RPGs. I expect the same with DA2. I want as much depth in characters and storytelling as Origins with lots of shades of gray decisions.

It might feel that way to you, but to me Dragon Age: Origins didn't have that many shades of gray morality descisions.

It may not have many, but it did have its share, which I enjoyed. Like I said, if we can get character depth and good storytelling. the game has served its purpose to me.

[Vicious]

The main problem they had with the game was that, well, it was different.

I mean no big bad guy? I guess that's a huge problem for a lot of people. It's funny they compare it to Planescape:Torment. You really didn't know about the final boss until towards the end of the game there, either.

[Anathemic]

Riona45 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
When did story equate to fiction? You're taking my quote out of context (way out of context).

...Or you just used an inappropriate (and somewhat spiteful) analogy.

Maybe, though it wasn't my intention. Lore/History in terms of in-game universe are interchangable.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

The biggest German gaming journal said that main quest takes about 12-15 hours to complete and all in all, about 30 hours with all sidequests.

How long did the main and sidequests take them in DAO?  In isolation these numbers are totally meaningless because they're subjective.

Main plot in DA:O took them about 30 hours to complete, same testers.

[The Elder King]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

The biggest German gaming journal said that main quest takes about 12-15 hours to complete and all in all, about 30 hours with all sidequests.

How long did the main and sidequests take them in DAO?  In isolation these numbers are totally meaningless because they're subjective.

Main plot in DA:O took them about 30 hours to complete, same testers.

Thanks for the information.

[FellowerOfOdin]

No problem



They usually make very fair tests and I guess what they said about DA2 could be expected if you were somehow objective. 18 months of developing time isn't much anymore and to shorten the development time, you need to make amendments that include cutting features out (individual companion clothing, takes a lot of time), stuff like recycling entire areas...see my previous post.



They stated that DA2 is a good game, that could have been great and that's exactly what I think. I guess it's EA wanting to push the new game out asap, but it certainly was a bad decision. DA2 just needed more time since it is the successor to such a great game. It's extremely hard to stay on that level and DA2 fails that task...and I dare say it's mostly because of the short development time.



What REALLY bothers me, however, is one paragraph in the article:



"Compared to Origins, most companions stay pretty bland. The reason for Merrile leaving her tribe is hardly explained, same as Aveline's motivation to even accept the, according to her, unpleasant guard job."



That was a pretty big shock to me as I liked the companions in DA:O though some of them were also very bland (Morrigan!), but they were somehow interesting and you had a detailed background. Maybe just another victim of not enough time



Also, what's with the very cheap savegame import function? When you import a save game with Alistair as king, in DA2, you get....a barely 2 minutes long dialog with him. That's cheap.

[The Elder King]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

No problem

They usually make very fair tests and I guess what they said about DA2 could be expected if you were somehow objective. 18 months of developing time isn't much anymore and to shorten the development time, you need to make amendments that include cutting features out (individual companion clothing, takes a lot of time), stuff like recycling entire areas...see my previous post.

They stated that DA2 is a good game, that could have been great and that's exactly what I think. I guess it's EA wanting to push the new game out asap, but it certainly was a bad decision. DA2 just needed more time since it is the successor to such a great game. It's extremely hard to stay on that level and DA2 fails that task...and I dare say it's mostly because of the short development time.

What REALLY bothers me, however, is one paragraph in the article:

"Compared to Origins, most companions stay pretty bland. The reason for Merrile leaving her tribe is hardly explained, same as Aveline's motivation to even accept the, according to her, unpleasant guard job."

That was a pretty big shock to me as I liked the companions in DA:O though some of them were also very bland (Morrigan!), but they were somehow interesting and you had a detailed background. Maybe just another victim of not enough time

Also, what's with the very cheap savegame import function? When you import a save game with Alistair as king, in DA2, you get....a barely 2 minutes long dialog with him. That's cheap.

Maybe they don't completed Aveline and Merrill sidequest, I don't know. Did they say anything about companion sidequest?
About the import, I never expected a lot about it since what it was done with ME2. I hope that things can change with ME3 on the import value.

Modifié par hhh89, 26 février 2011 - 10:20 .

[killingsheep24]

Recycled areas not a suprise, they did rush this game.