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Marionetten wrote...

Expect 20-30 hours for your first playthrough. Way shorter than Origins but not too short according to the review.


How long was their first playthrough of Origins?

Vrex_12 wrote...

Does the combat work the same in DA:O as in DA 2?


Anyone can discover just how similar it is for themselves by playing the demo.  Your own response to how it works is going to be much more reliable than someone else's.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 février 2011 - 01:25 .


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Marionetten wrote...

Yes, apparently we can side with the Qunari.


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Marionetten wrote...

Expect 20-30 hours for your first playthrough. Way shorter than Origins but not too short according to the review.


It depends on the player... Mike Laidlaw said it's longer than ME2(35hours) but shorter than DA:O(75hours) so I expect 40-50 hours to finish.

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Vrex_12 wrote...

Does the combat work the same in DA:O as in DA 2?

The only thing they really commented on was the lack of an isometric camera and that was one brief paragraph. They focused more or less exclusively on the story.

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As said, they didn't go too deep into gameplay. They did however seem very pleased with the story telling. Pleased enough to compare it to Planescape: Torment's. Most of their issues lied with the plot itself. Apparently the game lacks a major antagonist until the very end. They said that most of the game was spent in Kirkwall running errands for the three factions. Qunari, Circle and Chantry. Yes, apparently we can side with the Qunari.


Planescape Torment? Siding with Qunari? 

Excuse me while i drool a little

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PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

It depends on the player... Mike Laidlaw said it's longer than ME2(35hours) but shorter than DA:O(75hours) so I expect 40-50 hours to finish.


Those numbers are why I ask what Swedish PC Gamer's playthrough times were in Origins.  I personally can't fathom getting 75 hours out of a DA:O playthrough.  My ME1-2 games ran roughly 30-40 hours, and my DAO games ran roughtly 40-50 hours, a far smaller difference than is sometimes reported on these forums and in magazines, so I'm interested in seeing how they compared.

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drahelvete wrote...

The same cave? That's not recycling.


My thoughts. If you have to go to the same cave for plot reasons, obviously it's going to look the same, unless it went under mass decorated in a fews years/months, I mean, it's a cave, they tend not to change for millions of years. Places like Kirkwall however, I expect to change over the years.

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Marionetten wrote...

There's some huge spoilers involving a highly grisly subplot too. Sufficient to say, it sounds way darker than anything in Origins. I'd say more but I skipped over most of it as I didn't want the conclusion spoiled. Varric also has a Scarface moment somewhere in the game. Yep, that earned him a permanent spot in my party.

Expect 20-30 hours for your first playthrough. Way shorter than Origins but not too short according to the review.

Can you just create a thread and label it SPOILERS, DO NOT ENTER, and then talk a bit about the grisly sub plot?. That sounds intriguing.

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Upsettingshorts wrote...



How long was their first playthrough of Origins?


60-80 from what I recall. Don't take my word on it. I'd dig up the copy but I fear it's beyond my reach at the moment.

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Remember Eurogamer's first review of Dragon Age for the xbox?

I think in general the reviews of Dragon Age that I've read were some of the worst I've ever seen. In a world where many games cost 50-60 euros and last 5-6 hours, one of the reviewers even complained that the game was too long. If you're an RPG fanatic like me, you don't want a short game because you'll get less attached to your characters. Maybe some reviewers have a particular amount of coffee per review, and when they run out they get cranky?

What's my point? I'm skeptical when it comes to Dragon Age 2 reviews. In general with reviews I like to read the points in the reviews and see if I could agree, but I try to ignore the score. There's certainly no need to go crazy because DA2 got an 85 in an early review.

Modifié par termokanden, 25 février 2011 - 01:32 .


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Purple People Eater wrote...
Can you just create a thread and label it SPOILERS, DO NOT ENTER, and then talk a bit about the grisly sub plot?. That sounds intriguing.


I believe he skipped through it to avoid spoiling the game for himself.

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Purple People Eater wrote...

Can you just create a thread and label it SPOILERS, DO NOT ENTER, and then talk a bit about the grisly sub plot?. That sounds intriguing.


It'll probably be best if he doesn't, I can guarantee that at least one person will post it in another thread, maybe even in the title. I suggest you PM Marionetten.

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PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

It depends on the player... Mike Laidlaw said it's longer than ME2(35hours) but shorter than DA:O(75hours) so I expect 40-50 hours to finish.


Those numbers are why I ask what Swedish PC Gamer's playthrough times were in Origins.  I personally can't fathom getting 75 hours out of a DA:O playthrough.  My ME1-2 games ran roughly 30-40 hours, and my DAO games ran roughtly 40-50 hours, a far smaller difference than is sometimes reported on these forums and in magazines, so I'm interested in seeing how they compared.


Those are about the times, I had with the games...with my average origns times including DLC being somewhere near 50-60 hrs total on average of the 16 playthroughs I did. This leads to me to believe depending on what you do...especially when you take sebastion n his personal questline into account that somewhere between 40 and 50 hrs to complete DA 2 seems right...

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Thx, appreciate it

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Expect 20-30 hours for your first playthrough. Way shorter than Origins but not too short according to the review.


How long was their first playthrough of Origins?


I'm not sure it would matter much knowing that, cause it isn't the same guy reviewing DAO who reviewed DA2.

I know both reviewers personally and I feel it is a bit worrying that Jakob (that's the reviwer for DA2) had problems with the plot. I value his opinion and if he has problems with the plot, chances are quite large that I will too.

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I completed THREE ME1 playthroughs in 27 hours by the way :)



Yes I knew the game by then, but still. I could never do that with DAO. It just takes longer.

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MortalEngines wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...
Can you just create a thread and label it SPOILERS, DO NOT ENTER, and then talk a bit about the grisly sub plot?. That sounds intriguing.


I believe he skipped through it to avoid spoiling the game for himself.

Yeah, there's some pretty massive spoilers in there involving some major characters and a deranged serial killer. For my own enjoyment I skipped it over. That said, your choices during that quest will come with some major ramifications from what I did read.

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Lem Lemoncloak wrote...

I'm not sure it would matter much knowing that, cause it isn't the same guy reviewing DAO who reviewed DA2.


That would render it meaningless yes.

It also makes the comparison between DA2's score and DAO's score from the same magazine rather useless as well.  All it really means is that one guy from Swedish PC Gamer liked DAO more than another guy from the same magazine liked DA2.  Which isn't terribly useful, unless they have the exact same opinions on things.

Lem Lemoncloak wrote...

I know both reviewers personally and I feel it is a bit worrying that Jakob (that's the reviwer for DA2) had problems with the plot. I value his opinion and if he has problems with the plot, chances are quite large that I will too.


And it's reasonable for you to do so.  Not so much for me, because I don't know the guy or know if his opinions and mine are often in agreement on such things.

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PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Man, I can't wait to see what's so recycled about the areas. Also I don't want to insult anyone but I don't trust the european press even though I'M for Europe. I will be able to buy the game on the 14th so there will at least 50 reviews by then so...


Haha, the same goes for American reviewers.  They're all pretty terrible so it's best to fellow gamers you know and trust. 

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

It depends on the player... Mike Laidlaw said it's longer than ME2(35hours) but shorter than DA:O(75hours) so I expect 40-50 hours to finish.


Those numbers are why I ask what Swedish PC Gamer's playthrough times were in Origins.  I personally can't fathom getting 75 hours out of a DA:O playthrough.  My ME1-2 games ran roughly 30-40 hours, and my DAO games ran roughtly 40-50 hours, a far smaller difference than is sometimes reported on these forums and in magazines, so I'm interested in seeing how they compared.


These were my playthrough numbers...
1st DA:O playthrough - 75 hours
2nd DA:O playthrough - skipped all dialog and side quests - 22 hours
3rd  DA:O playthrough - Did almost everything but skipped some dialogs - 70 hours

Mass Effect 2
3 playthroughs = 88 hours(30 hours agerage on playthrough)

A friend of mine bought the Ultimate Edition and finished it for 108 hours. Don't know how much stuff he did though...

Mike Laidlaw said that Ray Myzika finished DA:O for 105 hours.

Eveybody plays differently so I don't believe some magazines or whatever. As I said I will wait for the american press even though I'm from europe :) I'm buying the game no matter what.

Modifié par PhrosniteAgainROFL, 25 février 2011 - 01:35 .


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Marionetten wrote...
Apparently the game lacks a major antagonist until the very end. 


I wouldn't mind that, because I hate such blunt enemies like Loghain or the seemingly mindless Archdemon. But the rest doesn't sound so good. 

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ok but except for the plot, party customization, combat and backgrounds it is still a nice game no? hahahahahahahhaha

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

The same cave, or three caves that look the same?  I'm only asking because I'd like to know if they made it clear, and the former wouldn't bug me - personally - as much as the latter.

The same cave.


Well, I'm not so sure about that. I read the article too, and I got the impression they meant that you visit three different caves, and all of them looks the same... :unsure:

Modifié par ninnisinni97, 25 février 2011 - 01:37 .


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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lem Lemoncloak wrote...


I know both reviewers personally and I feel it is a bit worrying that Jakob (that's the reviwer for DA2) had problems with the plot. I value his opinion and if he has problems with the plot, chances are quite large that I will too.


And it's reasonable for you to do so.  Not so much for me, because I don't know the guy or know if his opinions and mine are often in agreement on such things.


Yeah, I totally understand.

I was just sharing my opinion of the news. Though to be fair, 85% is considered a very good score by Swedish PC Gamer standards. So people shouldn't read too much into the actual score.

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oh well DAO did not really had a good antagonist anyway (Archdemon...really nothing, Logain meh)

I hope it does not feel like NWN 2 where the later course of the game felt REALLY rushed...