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[junte86]

hhh89 wrote...



I believe that this gaming journale (if is one of the German review) completed DAO in 40-50 hours.

Ok..now this...is not a good sign.

[AlexXIV]

congealeddgtllvr wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

congealeddgtllvr wrote...

DA2 will probably get bad reviews because it will actually have a good story. In other words, most videogame reviewers are people who only play videogames about saving the world, watch movies about saving the world, read comic books about saving the world, etc. The story of DA2 will confuse and alienate them probably.

Oh, so unlike the reviewers, you already played the game and know that it has a good story? Interesting.

Oh wait.

Maybe it will suck balls, I guess that's possible.  My point is that the writers have said they are trying something new, and most game reviewers probably won't be able to appreciate it.  Pearls before swine, you know.  

Trying something new always has a chance to fail, as in opposite to do the same thing over and over. Anyway, if they didn't like it should they tell everyone how good it is just because 'Bioware tried something new'? I don't read reviews for the fanboi hype, but because of what really is behind it.

[Marionetten]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I´d like to know if they listened to the dialogues or skipped through them.

They seemed to enjoy the cinematic presentation so I'm pretty sure they listened to them. They did call Hawke Dragon Age's Shepard.

[TwistedComplex]

congealeddgtllvr wrote...

DA2 will probably get bad reviews because it will actually have a good story. In other words, most videogame reviewers are people who only play videogames about saving the world, watch movies about saving the world, read comic books about saving the world, etc. The story of DA2 will confuse and alienate them, not in the sense that they won't understand it, but in the sense that it isn't what they are used to responding to.

I don't believe that.

Usually game review sites have "specialized" game reviewers

When an RPG reviewer gets his hands on DA2, i have no doubt they will appreciate the story.

Just look at the reviews of DA:O. Let's be honest, the combat was nothing to write home about, and the whole game felt... "Dated" i guess would be the best word. DA2 will blow it out of the water, and that's saying A LOT since DA:O has a special place in my heart

[Eternal Phoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Yes, apparently we can side with the Qunari.

The game could take place entirely in a cave and I'd say I'm so pleased about this option being available that I'm not sure I'd care.

Marionetten wrote...

The same cave.

Thanks for clarifying.  Yeah that's not really a huge deal for me, I mean it ain't perfect but it's better than having the same cave or same building or same whatever existing multiple times in different areas.  

DA2 could be set in a massive underground cave where these three factions are at war with each other, I wouldn't care because that actually sounds good. I didn't know there were three groups to side with. Sounds like the replay value is pretty good for DA2 despite there not being races and origins.

[AkiKishi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

The biggest German gaming journal said that main quest takes about 12-15 hours to complete and all in all, about 30 hours with all sidequests.

How long did the main and sidequests take them in DAO?  In isolation these numbers are totally meaningless because they're subjective.

Varies hugely by player and difficulty level. I ran a game recently with the ultimate edition and it came in at 80 something hours.  That includes all DLC and doing everything.

30 hours is about my average for ME2. I think the faster paced combat is going to make DA2 very short.

junte86 wrote...

Ok..now this...is not a good sign.

I would not over react to the game length. I'll give you a comparrison of 2 of my ME2 runs. 1 27 hours 2 36 hours.
The difference was one was normal, the other insane. Over the course of a game you would be suprised how much those extra seconds/minutes to kill sometihng add up. DA2 being a faster game means less overall hours, even with the same content.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 25 février 2011 - 03:26 .

[congealeddgtllvr]

junte86 wrote...

congealeddgtllvr wrote...


Maybe it will suck balls, I guess that's possible.  My point is that the writers have said they are trying something new, and most game reviewers probably won't be able to appreciate it.  Pearls before swine, you know.  

The only thing new about their storytelling is that it is ten years narrative told by a dwarf, people knows if it is a good story or not by playing it, just because it is new doesnt mean ALL the reviewrs looking down on it, and for the most reviewrs that have reviewed the game seems to point out that the game does not have strong Main Plot so in my opinion it might not be that good.

Telling a story that is not about defeating an ancient evil and saving the world is a departure from most RPGs.  Most game reviewers will come into the game expecting the story to be about that and will find it's not the case.  They might be disappointed about this and give the game a bad review.  They might not be able to appreciate the nuances of the story that is told because they are looking at it as something it isn't.  

[TwistedComplex]

Marionetten wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I´d like to know if they listened to the dialogues or skipped through them.

They seemed to enjoy the cinematic presentation so I'm pretty sure they listened to them. They did call Hawke Dragon Age's Shepard.

It seems Bioware will never be able to make a fully voiced protagonist again without being called a Mass Effect clone

It's the WoWclone debate all over again

[Duncan Anderson]

hhh89 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

The biggest German gaming journal said that main quest takes about 12-15 hours to complete and all in all, about 30 hours with all sidequests. Their biggest point of criticism also was that the entire game had such a "rushed" feeling, including things like dated graphics, an extremely short main plot (for a RPG), boring level recycling and the lack of an isometric camera (thanks to all the console players for making Bioware remove the cam, we PC gamers love having chunky controls).

Console players asked Bioware to remove the isometric camera? If there isn't any isometric camera in DA2 the responsibility is of Bioware, not console gamers.

Actuly that was me. I beat a kitten to death with an Xbox every hour untill Biowere gave in to my demands.


Or alternativly it was an artistic decision to creat greater immersion through the medium of ceilings.

[catabuca]

I'm on the fence about the lack of antagonist thing. I really, really missed that from ME2. Harbinger and the Collectors simply weren't the strong antagonists Saren and the geth were, and, for me, the plot suffered for it.

If the three factions end up being 'fake' antagonists (like the Blue Suns, Blood Pack, and Eclipse in ME2, where you'd be forgiven for thinking they were the baddies you were fighting rather than the reapers/collectors) to just make up a bulk of missions without the need for a fleshed out main story then that doesn't bode well. However, I will of course reserve judgement ... I have faith in the Gaider (I have, unfortunately, lost that faith for ME though - which makes me sad, because ME1 is my #1 game of all time).

[upsettingshorts]

BobSmith101 wrote...

30 hours is about my average for ME2. I think the faster paced combat is going to make DA2 very short.

If that's what cuts down on the playing time I'm all for it.  I don't really consider it taking say, 30 more seconds to kill a mob 30 more seconds of content.  It's still just one mob that needs to die.  

Basically what I want to know about the game - ultimately - I can only answer for myself, and that's how replayable it is.  A game could be four hours or forty hours but if it gives me interesting choices I want to explore I'll keep replaying it, and ultimately I'll play a good 20 hour game many times, and a mediocre 40 hour game maybe twice. But of course, I'm not everyone.

[junte86]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

30 hours is about my average for ME2. I think the faster paced combat is going to make DA2 very short.

If that's what cuts down on the playing time I'm all for it.  I don't really consider it taking say, 30 more seconds to kill a mob 30 more seconds of content.  It's still just one mob that needs to die.  

Basically what I want to know about the game - ultimately - I can only answer for myself, and that's how replayable it is.  A game could be four hours or forty hours but if it gives me interesting choices I want to explore I'll keep replaying it, and ultimately I'll play a good 20 hour game many times, and a mediocre 40 hour game maybe twice. But of course, I'm not everyone.

Since the review stated there are 3 factions you can side with,, I think the replay value should be higher than DAO

[AlexXIV]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I´d like to know if they listened to the dialogues or skipped through them.

They seemed to enjoy the cinematic presentation so I'm pretty sure they listened to them. They did call Hawke Dragon Age's Shepard.

It seems Bioware will never be able to make a fully voiced protagonist again without being called a Mass Effect clone

It's the WoWclone debate all over again

For voiced protagonist you need very good writing and good actors. Unvoiced protagonists not so much. So it is another hurdle to take. They did it pretty good with femShep in ME2, so I don't see it as a bad thing if Bioware 'masseffected' the DA2 dialogue system. Actually from what I have seen from the demo so far I wish they 'massefffected' it more.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 25 février 2011 - 03:29 .

[The Elder King]

Just to point out, the game lenght will change, if you play a different difficulty. Peter Thomas completed DA2 in noghtmare in +100 hours (a lot more than 100 hours, but I don't remember exactly the number).

[AkiKishi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

30 hours is about my average for ME2. I think the faster paced combat is going to make DA2 very short.

If that's what cuts down on the playing time I'm all for it.  I don't really consider it taking say, 30 more seconds to kill a mob 30 more seconds of content.  It's still just one mob that needs to die.  

Basically what I want to know about the game - ultimately - I can only answer for myself, and that's how replayable it is.  A game could be four hours or forty hours but if it gives me interesting choices I want to explore I'll keep replaying it, and ultimately I'll play a good 20 hour game many times, and a mediocre 40 hour game maybe twice. But of course, I'm not everyone.

That was the conclusion I reached after playing ME2 insanity. The extra playtime is simply the extra time taken to kill things added up. It actually suprised me how much it turned out to be.

[drahelvete]

BobSmith101 wrote...

30 hours is about my average for ME2. I think the faster paced combat is going to make DA2 very short.

The devs said it was longer than ME2. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Xewaka]

Marionetten wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
I´d like to know if they listened to the dialogues or skipped through them.

They seemed to enjoy the cinematic presentation so I'm pretty sure they listened to them. They did call Hawke Dragon Age's Shepard.

I'm not so sure that's actually a compliment.

[congealeddgtllvr]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Usually game review sites have "specialized" game reviewers

When an RPG reviewer gets his hands on DA2, i have no doubt they will appreciate the story.

My point is even reviewers who are specialized in RPGs might find the plot of DA2 strange since it isn't about saving the world and defeating an ancient evil, and since that is what basically all RPGs are about.  Game reviewers aren't literary critics, they're people who expect a formula to a certain degree.  

That doesn't mean I know they are not going to appreciate it.  

[junte86]

hhh89 wrote...

Just to point out, the game lenght will change, if you play a different difficulty. Peter Thomas completed DA2 in noghtmare in +100 hours (a lot more than 100 hours, but I don't remember exactly the number).

What concerns me is the actual content, sure Nightmare run could last 100 hours since the mobs are really really tough and the fight takes far more time.
Oh well... I will only find out when the game is released and when I play it, but so far it seems too short compared to DAO if one guy played DAO for 40~50 hours and Played DA2 for 15~30 hours.

[AlexXIV]

hhh89 wrote...

Just to point out, the game lenght will change, if you play a different difficulty. Peter Thomas completed DA2 in noghtmare in +100 hours (a lot more than 100 hours, but I don't remember exactly the number).

Well I guess that's because you lose alot of battles and have to reload? I am not sure I can be bothered with a nightmare playthrough unless the combat as such is so much fun that I love to do it. In DA:O anyway I played once in every difficulty level because I was curious, but I would never play on higher than normal now, because I fount the combat as such a bit lame.

[AkiKishi]

Xewaka wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
I´d like to know if they listened to the dialogues or skipped through them.

They seemed to enjoy the cinematic presentation so I'm pretty sure they listened to them. They did call Hawke Dragon Age's Shepard.

I'm not so sure that's actually a compliment.

It's a backhanded compliment at best.

[upsettingshorts]

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 février 2011 - 03:35 .

[congealeddgtllvr]

AlexXIV wrote...

Trying something new always has a chance to fail, as in opposite to do the same thing over and over. Anyway, if they didn't like it should they tell everyone how good it is just because 'Bioware tried something new'? I don't read reviews for the fanboi hype, but because of what really is behind it.

I'm not trying to be a fanboi.  I'm saying they might not like it because it's not what they expect out of an RPG's story, but it could still be good.  

[Marionetten]

Xewaka wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
I´d like to know if they listened to the dialogues or skipped through them.

They seemed to enjoy the cinematic presentation so I'm pretty sure they listened to them. They did call Hawke Dragon Age's Shepard.

I'm not so sure that's actually a compliment.

It was a compliment. At least from their perspective.

Of course, mileage may vary.

Modifié par Marionetten, 25 février 2011 - 03:35 .

[junte86]

congealeddgtllvr wrote...



My point is even reviewers who are specialized in RPGs might find the plot of DA2 strange since it isn't about saving the world and defeating an ancient evil, and since that is what basically all RPGs are about.  Game reviewers aren't literary critics, they're people who expect a formula to a certain degree.  

That doesn't mean I know they are not going to appreciate it.  

I see your argunebt but the same can be applied to anyone, people have personal standard or forumula that they expect for a game, and good story is one thing, Sure there will be people who will bash DA2 and there will be people who just love DA2, but about the storyline not being good, all the reviews have praied the narrative style but have also criticized the cliffhanger ending and not much depth and focus inside the main plot, of course we wont know untill we play it, but If all reviewers are basically saying the same thing, it means something.

Sacrifice was a really new and revolutionary in terms of gameplay and story wasnt that bad,...and yet it failed.. anyway the only new thing Devs talked about the new thing in the story is the narrative style and no ancient evil(But really these kind of stories existed before DA2, Tales of the abyss last boss, and you could also say Toremnt was a more of a personal confilic and both were pretty good and eveyrone praiesed it, but DA2 seems to now follow the usual course of being praised with excellent storyline.)