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IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...

Your brother died in a very horrible way right in front of your mother, you expect her to be rational while she is holding his warm corpse?

You don't see Hawke and Bethany blaming their mother for Carver's death.

So yes, while I don't expect MamaHawke to be "Whatevs let's just go" - I do not condone her blaming her own child for the death of her other child, when it was MamaHawke herself who was physically closest to Carver to physically stop him.

No child needs his/her mother blaming them for the death of their brother.

What you are saying is rational, what I am saying is that the mother was irrational because of what happened and the emotional impact /heartbreaking she took.

[MoonGlow]

I think we all say things we don't mean esspesually when it comes to death I mean think about it she's a mom not a worrier and she just lost everything and she also knows that you all bearlly exscaped with your lives and she feels responseale for you she's your mom and now the very thing she was helping you exscape from has just killed one of her own if you have ever been a mom put yourself in her shoes and in that momment ask yourself how would you reactshe 's in shock and she's emotionalI wish I had a mom that loved me that much

[Aldandil]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...

Your brother died in a very horrible way right in front of your mother, you expect her to be rational while she is holding his warm corpse?

You don't see Hawke and Bethany blaming their mother for Carver's death.

So yes, while I don't expect MamaHawke to be "Whatevs let's just go" - I do not condone her blaming her own child for the death of her other child, when it was MamaHawke herself who was physically closest to Carver to physically stop him.

No child needs his/her mother blaming them for the death of their brother.

Is it bad writing? Is it unrealistic? Is it unreasonable to think that one person can react that way while others don't? Does real people not react like that?

[FearTheLiving]

Dear Mrs Hawke,

Are you related to the Couslands? Because you seem to sound exactly like Eleanor who was the mother to my Warden.. .

                                                                                                                                                             Love FTL

PS I was being a smart ass I know it's the same voice actress.


EDIT Also to the people who think it's bad writing I'm guessing you aren't part of a family with siblings. I'm the yougest of two and my mom use to blame my older brother for lots of stuff if I got hurt. Because in her eyes he was suppose to be watching out for me. That's what family is suppose to do watch out for each other.

Modifié par FearTheLiving, 25 février 2011 - 09:33 .

[Zkyire]

Invalidcode wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...

Your brother died in a very horrible way right in front of your mother, you expect her to be rational while she is holding his warm corpse?

You don't see Hawke and Bethany blaming their mother for Carver's death.

So yes, while I don't expect MamaHawke to be "Whatevs let's just go" - I do not condone her blaming her own child for the death of her other child, when it was MamaHawke herself who was physically closest to Carver to physically stop him.

No child needs his/her mother blaming them for the death of their brother.

What you are saying is rational, what I am saying is that the mother was irrational because of what happened and the emotional impact /heartbreaking she took.

You're right, it's not rational, but it's not right.

Hawke's just seen his/her brother/sister killed in front of him/her, and then have his/her mother say "It's your fault" I'm damned surprised that Hawke didn't deck her.

[KezzieZ]

That's exactly what I thought when she started blaming Hawke. I mean, I'm sure it was awful for her and she probably felt more responsible, considering he died trying to defend her, but it's very irritating that she acts like that to one of her surviving children.

Granted, anyone in the party probably could've probably tried stabbing/shooting the ogre in the back while it was roaring before it basically curb-stomped Carver, but that wasn't a huge window of time and it could've easily squashed whoever tried then turned around and done it anyway.

[Invalidcode]

Aldandil wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...

Your brother died in a very horrible way right in front of your mother, you expect her to be rational while she is holding his warm corpse?

You don't see Hawke and Bethany blaming their mother for Carver's death.

So yes, while I don't expect MamaHawke to be "Whatevs let's just go" - I do not condone her blaming her own child for the death of her other child, when it was MamaHawke herself who was physically closest to Carver to physically stop him.

No child needs his/her mother blaming them for the death of their brother.

Is it bad writing? Is it unrealistic? Is it unreasonable to think that one person can react that way while others don't? Does real people not react like that?

Go watch some news that mother had their son/daughter die in front of them/ just dead. (Car accident etc). Those are really heart breaking stuff, sometimes the mother act really irrational, for example the mother just grab the dead body and won't let it go and kneel down and beggin people to save the already dead child even you got a group of people trying to stop her already. Screaming and crying at the same time.

[Aldandil]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Invalidcode wrote...

Your brother died in a very horrible way right in front of your mother, you expect her to be rational while she is holding his warm corpse?

You don't see Hawke and Bethany blaming their mother for Carver's death.

So yes, while I don't expect MamaHawke to be "Whatevs let's just go" - I do not condone her blaming her own child for the death of her other child, when it was MamaHawke herself who was physically closest to Carver to physically stop him.

No child needs his/her mother blaming them for the death of their brother.

What you are saying is rational, what I am saying is that the mother was irrational because of what happened and the emotional impact /heartbreaking she took.

You're right, it's not rational, but it's not right.

Hawke's just seen his/her brother/sister killed in front of him/her, and then have his/her mother say "It's your fault" I'm damned surprised that Hawke didn't deck her.

Maybe Hawke understood she was being irrational?

[ReallyRue]

I just hope it gets referenced later. Like if things with Hawke and motherHawke are awkward for a while, and then they talk about it.

[tuejmccoy]

Yeah the whole death scene was rather random,

i mean the ogre hasn't shown any interest in MomHawke, he was just looking around and after he was finished with the sibling he just kept ignoring mom. Hell even squirming Wesley jumped out of the way.



Though I've got to say i liked "Soulless basterds" way more than "Maker give me strength", i mean doesn't the girl know that the makers hates mages. I bet she was casting some Armageddon-Inferno-spell, but after these words only an auto attack came forth.

On the other hand Beth played this whole T_T "He is dead, Jim"-thing way better than Carver.

[Zkyire]

Aldandil wrote...

Maybe Hawke understood she was being irrational?

That would mean he has a measure of rationality left during that scene. So if he can, why can't she?

I understand why she flipped, but Carver wasn't just some random person to Hawke, it was his/her brother. Family, just like to MamaHawke.

[Temaperacl]

FearTheLiving wrote...

Dear Mrs Hawke,

Are you related to the Couslands? Because you seem to sound exactly like Eleanor who was the mother to my Warden.. .

                                                                                                                                                             Love FTL

PS I was being a smart ass I know it's the same voice actress.

Just a thought - I wonder if the voice makes it works for people who tended to play the Noble origin?  Because the voice would lead people to tend to substitute Eleanor Cousland, who they knew more, in place of Mama Hawke. That line was not something that you would expect to hear at all from Eleanor, so it has more of an impression as poor writing or an irrational action than a different voice actress would have?

[Aldandil]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Aldandil wrote...

Maybe Hawke understood she was being irrational?

That would mean he has a measure of rationality left during that scene. So if he can, why can't she?

I understand why she flipped, but Carver wasn't just some random person to Hawke, it was his/her brother. Family, just like to MamaHawke.

Plot reasons? I suppose it would be fair to ask for the opportunity to flip out as a dialogue response. That would have been the best solution. If you think about it, I'm sure we can agree that it's not at all uncommon that members of the same family react differently to emotional stress. If you haven't ever encountered that before, let me assure you that it is true for mine.

[Spacelion]

tuejmccoy wrote...

Yeah the whole death scene was rather random,
i mean the ogre hasn't shown any interest in MomHawke, he was just looking around and after he was finished with the sibling he just kept ignoring mom. Hell even squirming Wesley jumped out of the way.

Though I've got to say i liked "Soulless basterds" way more than "Maker give me strength", i mean doesn't the girl know that the makers hates mages. I bet she was casting some Armageddon-Inferno-spell, but after these words only an auto attack came forth.
On the other hand Beth played this whole T_T "He is dead, Jim"-thing way better than Carver.

You sir, are hilarious. I could just make this my signature! <:'D 

[bloodreaperfx]

Speaking of the Sarcastic response...

[Wynne]

DinoSteve wrote...

I never let Carver do anything, its not my fault he acted like a moron and attacked the ogre

Bethany--or Carver, in your case--was the one standing closest to Mom, who is the one the ogre actually attacked. The sibling who dies, dies defending your mother from a charge she would never have survived.

When she lashes out at you, it's because she feels horribly, horribly guilty and can't possibly face it in that moment of grief. She's exhausted, terrified out of her mind, terrified of losing you and the remaining sibling... already lost so much and keeps losing more.

In those quiet moments afterwards, she no doubt blames herself, and all the more so for blaming her oldest child.

[Zkyire]

Aldandil wrote...

Plot reasons? I suppose it would be fair to ask for the opportunity to flip out as a dialogue response. That would have been the best solution. If you think about it, I'm sure we can agree that it's not at all uncommon that members of the same family react differently to emotional stress. If you haven't ever encountered that before, let me assure you that it is true for mine.

Oh I get it. But I never flip out myself. So I can never understand when others do it. Something bad happens, everyone's devastated, I'm hurt too, but it doesn't mean I lash out.

Of course then you have the opposite end of the spectrum, whereby people accuse you of being uncaring BECAUSE you don't flip out.

Still, like ReallyRue pointed out, it'd be nice to be able to address that issue later on in the game.

[Zkyire]

bloodreaperfx wrote...

Speaking of the Sarcastic response...

..I can understand MamaHawke being mad at this guy.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Wynne wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I never let Carver do anything, its not my fault he acted like a moron and attacked the ogre

Bethany--or Carver, in your case--was the one standing closest to Mom, who is the one the ogre actually attacked. The sibling who dies, dies defending your mother from a charge she would never have survived.

When she lashes out at you, it's because she feels horribly, horribly guilty and can't possibly face it in that moment of grief. She's exhausted, terrified out of her mind, terrified of losing you and the remaining sibling... already lost so much and keeps losing more.

In those quiet moments afterwards, she no doubt blames herself, and all the more so for blaming her oldest child.

you may or may not have noticed in another post I said i was only poking fun at the game, I didn't think people cared this much about her reaction, even though it was a tad extreme, but grief effects everyone in different ways

[Dante Angelo]

I wish there was a way to use the Teryn Loghain excuse and say it was the Orleisiens or Grey Wardens who killed Carver

[Dr. wonderful]

DinoSteve wrote...

Hawkes song could be bohemian rhapsody after that

Hawke a renegde Silly, DinoSteve.

[Wynne]

DinoSteve wrote...

you may or may not have noticed in another post I said i was only poking fun at the game, I didn't think people cared this much about her reaction, even though it was a tad extreme, but grief effects everyone in different ways

I wasn't truly upset about it, but I was a bit like, "Hey!" before I really grasped what happened there. You're helpless, scared, sad, you had to do all the fighting, and then your reward for saving your mom is, "You should've done THIS!" It's a pretty crummy way for her to react. So I would've understood if it had bothered you that much, honestly.

[zyron_the_great]

her lashing out was understandable(not saying it was the best thing to do)i cant even imagine if i saw my son getting smashed into a pulp by a ogre right in front of me

[Maria Caliban]

Taleroth wrote...

I do believe the proper title is Mrs. Miss implies she is unwed.

I'm not sure if being a widow changes the distinction with regards to this, but I would be surprised.

Leandra's proper title would be Mrs. Malcolm Hawke.

If Thedas was modern America. I don't even think they have Ms, Miss, Mrs in Thedas, I don't recall a woman ever being referred to as such.

I've heard informal titles:
Lady
Mistress

Formal titles:
Ser <- Might also be a respectful, informal title
Sister
Bann
Arlessa

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 février 2011 - 11:38 .