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[Blastback]

People have diffrent ideas about what's acceptably realistic in games. Sheesh.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Harcken wrote...

I think Bioware tried to change too much in too short a time. When you change artstyle, graphics, gameplay systems, and animations (for literally everything) and only have about 1 year and a half to do so, things will be unpolished and people will notice many flaws. However, this has me excited for DA3; if Bioware decides not to completely revamp the formula and again change up the graphics, they can focus on polishing the current systems and delivering a great story--that is when you score in the upper 90s.

the only score on metacritic is 94 and origins got reviews on the 70's and user reviews on the 60's

[Sabresandiego]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...

Because the magery is explained, albeit a bit cliche 'it's magic'. However it's explained as the ability to control the world around you. Morrigan explains it well as well as Wynne. Healing wounds is explained in many RPG handbook's as super accelerating the healing process and closing a wound. Well more or less. Using the bodies ability to heal as the base. However not everyone can do this, and it's a special few who can.

Being a warrior takes as much time and training as a mage, however it truly takes dedication to be able to move as Hawke and is combat companions do from the very start, which seems silly. And this is silly because every other class would be melee oriented if not a mage, which means everyone is a super-ninja. And if everyones a super-ninja, why fear the mages at all?

Realism adds a sense of true danger and accomplishment.

You don't understand what realism is. Hitpoints do not exist. Most of what you believe to be real in games is the further from reality. You know what would happen to a robe wearing human if he was struck by a single slash from  a sword? Thats reality...

Yeah that person dies, just like my mage if a hurlock gets passed my platemail clad tank. Last time I checked Wynne died after 2 hits, pretty realistic actually.

What you're doing is building a straw-man to distract away from the main point. Fantasy is a reflection of the real world where some fantastic things 'can' happen, but not without due cause.

What you are stating is reality is warped. No amount of training gives a human the ability to fight like they do in any fantasy game/movie. Remember those martial arts movies you grew up watching where 1 ninja beat 40 guys? Thats fantasy, watch the UFC thats reality. Why are you willing to accept magic, accept hitpoints, accept a 200lb human defeated a 40,000lb make believe dragon with a sword of all things, yet you are not willing to accept if the game makes melee weapons swing faster than they do in reality? That is completely illogical.

[Swisspease]

I deny your reality and replace it with my own.

[MorrigansLove]

I've got another name for this game!

How about "GENERIC: The fantasy adventure no one gives a ****e about."

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Swisspease wrote...

I deny your reality and replace it with my own.

i raise you one alternate reality

[Noviere]

MorrigansLove wrote...

I've got another name for this game!
How about "GENERIC: The fantasy adventure no one gives a ****e about."

It's shocking that no one takes you seriously.

[PretentiousCat]

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...

Because the magery is explained, albeit a bit cliche 'it's magic'. However it's explained as the ability to control the world around you. Morrigan explains it well as well as Wynne. Healing wounds is explained in many RPG handbook's as super accelerating the healing process and closing a wound. Well more or less. Using the bodies ability to heal as the base. However not everyone can do this, and it's a special few who can.

Being a warrior takes as much time and training as a mage, however it truly takes dedication to be able to move as Hawke and is combat companions do from the very start, which seems silly. And this is silly because every other class would be melee oriented if not a mage, which means everyone is a super-ninja. And if everyones a super-ninja, why fear the mages at all?

Realism adds a sense of true danger and accomplishment.

You don't understand what realism is. Hitpoints do not exist. Most of what you believe to be real in games is the further from reality. You know what would happen to a robe wearing human if he was struck by a single slash from  a sword? Thats reality...

Yeah that person dies, just like my mage if a hurlock gets passed my platemail clad tank. Last time I checked Wynne died after 2 hits, pretty realistic actually.

What you're doing is building a straw-man to distract away from the main point. Fantasy is a reflection of the real world where some fantastic things 'can' happen, but not without due cause.

What you are stating is reality is warped. No amount of training gives a human the ability to fight like they do in any fantasy game/movie. Remember those martial arts movies you grew up watching where 1 ninja beat 40 guys? Thats fantasy, watch the UFC thats reality. Why are you willing to accept magic, accept hitpoints, accept a 200lb human defeated a 40,000lb make believe dragon with a sword of all things, yet you are not willing to accept if the game makes melee weapons swing faster than they do in reality? That is completely illogical.

I can accept that due to physics. Just because the dragon weighs 20 tons, which I highly doubt, doesn't mean it can just lolcrush everything. Moving would be difficult due to weight alone, allowing the smaller yet more agile human to land blows on it's body. The striking of a talon would hurt, but clad in magically enhanced plate mail protects from it a bit, and the fact that if the dragon tried to support 20 tons on three limbs as opposed to what it normally used (4) it wouldn't be able to for long.

Physics apply. They always do. Thats why I find the ability, without any explanation, of Hawke and his companions to whirl around like ninjas a bit off.

[DanteGunZ]

The only reviewer I ever agree with is myself. Honestly, I've seen to many good games get awful scores for no reason.

[mesmerizedish]

Noviere wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I've got another name for this game!
How about "GENERIC: The fantasy adventure no one gives a ****e about."

It's shocking that no one takes you seriously.

Hey now, I have three notebooks filled with every post MorrigansLove has ever made. I base my entire worldview on their contents.

[Darkeus]

Wow, not one US reviewer has even touched the game yet but all of the reviews are lower.

Two, people are for getting that there are three different versions of DA:O; PC, 360 and PS3.

So IGN gave the PC version a 9.0 and the 360 version an 8.7

I also see three different scores here as well:www.gamespot.com/search.html

And Game Informer gave the PC version a 9.0 while the 360 and PS3 version got an 8.0

So the first question is, what version are you talking about? Because the console versions scored lower than the PC version.

Two, I made sure to check and nope. None of those sites have reviewed DA2 yet so I am sure it is safe to say that no one can say that it is better or not since it hasn't even been close to reviewed by everybody.

Modifié par Darkeus, 26 février 2011 - 12:40 .

[MorrigansLove]

[quote]ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

[quote]Noviere wrote...

[quote]MorrigansLove wrote...

I've got another name for this game!
How about "GENERIC: The fantasy adventure no one gives a ****e about." [/quote]
It's shocking that no one takes you seriously.

[/quote]

Hey now, I have three notebooks filled with every post MorrigansLove has ever made. I base my entire worldview on their contents.

[/quote

Oh, why, thankyou. I always put a lot of thought into all of my posts and...

Hey, wait a second, are you being sarcastic?

[MorrigansLove]

Oh, why, thankyou. I always put a lot of thought into all of my posts and...

Hey, wait a second, are you being sarcastic?<_<

[Gavinthelocust]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh, why, thankyou. I always put a lot of thought into all of my posts and...

Hey, wait a second, are you being sarcastic?<_<

He's also observant!
How I wish I was as smart and perceptive as MorrigansLove.

[DTKT]

Ill wait for more reviews to come in before judging DAII.



Or ill just play it on the 8th.



Its crazy how everyone looks for validation of their own opinion.

[Sabresandiego]

PretentiousCat wrote...


I can accept that due to physics. Just because the dragon weighs 20 tons, which I highly doubt, doesn't mean it can just lolcrush everything. Moving would be difficult due to weight alone, allowing the smaller yet more agile human to land blows on it's body. The striking of a talon would hurt, but clad in magically enhanced plate mail protects from it a bit, and the fact that if the dragon tried to support 20 tons on three limbs as opposed to what it normally used (4) it wouldn't be able to for long.

Physics apply. They always do. Thats why I find the ability, without any explanation, of Hawke and his companions to whirl around like ninjas a bit off.

You just confirmed how warped your sense of reality is. Platemail would do nothing to lower the force of a blow from a 40,000 pound animal and you would be killed instantly. Dinosaurs existed, and if you hypothetically matched a brontosauras or trex up against a plate wearing human with a shield and sword, the human would lose 100 out of 100 times by being killed instantly.

If you were in full plate armor and I swung a baseball bat at your helmet full force, you would be knocked out by impact even though the helmet protected you from the impact damage. You would suffer a concussion from the gforce and be out cold. Now imagaine instead of a baseball bat it was a brontosauraus that stepped on you.

Its amazing that you actually believe that a knight in armor with a sword could realistically beat a large dinosaur in melee combat.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 26 février 2011 - 12:46 .

[JamesX]

Sabresandiego wrote...

You just confirmed how warped your sense of reality is. Platemail would do nothing to lower the force of a blow from a 40,000 pound animal and you would be killed instantly. Dinosaurs existed, and if you hypothetically matched a brontosauras or trex up against a plate wearing human with a shield and sword, the human would lose 100 out of 100 times by being killed instantly.

While humans did not co-exist with dinosaurs... but you will be amazed on how big some things can be taken down by humans.  We are more resiliant than you might believe.  Though most of that involving bleeding the thing to death while you run wildly for your life.

[MorrigansLove]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Oh, why, thankyou. I always put a lot of thought into all of my posts and...

Hey, wait a second, are you being sarcastic?<_<

He's also observant!
How I wish I was as smart and perceptive as MorrigansLove.

Everyone wishes they were like me. I'm used to it.

[mesmerizedish]

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...


I can accept that due to physics. Just because the dragon weighs 20 tons, which I highly doubt, doesn't mean it can just lolcrush everything. Moving would be difficult due to weight alone, allowing the smaller yet more agile human to land blows on it's body. The striking of a talon would hurt, but clad in magically enhanced plate mail protects from it a bit, and the fact that if the dragon tried to support 20 tons on three limbs as opposed to what it normally used (4) it wouldn't be able to for long.

Physics apply. They always do. Thats why I find the ability, without any explanation, of Hawke and his companions to whirl around like ninjas a bit off.

You just confirmed how warped your sense of reality is. Platemail would do nothing to lower the force of a blow from a 40,000 pound animal and you would be killed instantly. Dinosaurs existed, and if you hypothetically matched a brontosauras or trex up against a plate wearing human with a shield and sword, the human would lose 100 out of 100 times by being killed instantly.

If you were in full plate armor and I swung a baseball bat at your helmet full force, you would be knocked out by impact even though the helmet protected you from the impact damage. You would suffer a concussion from the gforce and be out cold. Now imagaine instead of a baseball bat it was a brontosauraus that stepped on you.

Hey. Hey, now. He said magic plate mail

[Gavinthelocust]

DTKT wrote...

Ill wait for more reviews to come in before judging DAII.

Or ill just play it on the 8th.

Its crazy how everyone looks for validation of their own opinion.

It's that niggling little doubt that maybe they're enjoying the game or that they may not find it completely perfect so they look to reviewers to assure them that the game is bad/good. Then when the review goes against what they think believe they claim that the reviewer was bribed or they don't understand.
I like to keep honest to myself and stay away from reviews, I suggest you all do the same.

[cactusberry]

Because it's a sequel.



Herp derp.

[Revan312]

Sabresandiego wrote...
What you are stating is reality is warped. No amount of training gives a human the ability to fight like they do in any fantasy game/movie. Remember those martial arts movies you grew up watching where 1 ninja beat 40 guys? Thats fantasy, watch the UFC thats reality. Why are you willing to accept magic, accept hitpoints, accept a 200lb human defeated a 40,000lb make believe dragon with a sword of all things, yet you are not willing to accept if the game makes melee weapons swing faster than they do in reality? That is completely illogical.

Your arguments ring hollow as your basic generalization is that since there's magic and mythical beasts involved, no rules apply.. So if that's the case, you wouldn't mind if DA3 featured a magical talking jar of mayo that saves the universe from a hillbilly pickle clad in platemale bacon armor..

Rules are there for a reason, and there are boundries that when crossed thrust the world into a realm so unbelievable that you can no longer relate, which in turn causes dissatisfaction. Also, DA:O set the stage for the world with believable if not slowed movements that were deliberate and understandable.  DA2 sends that set of movement rules out the window.  It would be no different than if the next Ninja Gaiden game had Hyabusa swinging his sword at DA:O speeds.

Rules are rules, and when you change them within a world there is going to be criticism, no matter what rules are changed.

[Sabresandiego]

PretentiousCat, if I put you in a large closed arena and gave you full platemail and a sword and put you up against a bull elephant, what do you think would happen? You do realize that the elephant would win 10/10 times even if you did manage to injure it.

[Darkeus]

I can't believe we are talking Physics in a FANTASY GAME!!!

[PretentiousCat]

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...


I can accept that due to physics. Just because the dragon weighs 20 tons, which I highly doubt, doesn't mean it can just lolcrush everything. Moving would be difficult due to weight alone, allowing the smaller yet more agile human to land blows on it's body. The striking of a talon would hurt, but clad in magically enhanced plate mail protects from it a bit, and the fact that if the dragon tried to support 20 tons on three limbs as opposed to what it normally used (4) it wouldn't be able to for long.

Physics apply. They always do. Thats why I find the ability, without any explanation, of Hawke and his companions to whirl around like ninjas a bit off.

You just confirmed how warped your sense of reality is. Platemail would do nothing to lower the force of a blow from a 40,000 pound animal and you would be killed instantly. Dinosaurs existed, and if you hypothetically matched a brontosauras or trex up against a plate wearing human with a shield and sword, the human would lose 100 out of 100 times by being killed instantly.

If you were in full plate armor and I swung a baseball bat at your helmet full force, you would be knocked out by impact even though the helmet protected you from the impact damage. You would suffer a concussion from the gforce and be out cold. Now imagaine instead of a baseball bat it was a brontosauraus that stepped on you.

Okay, go find a knight in full plate mail and swing a bat at his head. He'll show you reality when he runs you through. Plate mail was created for a reason, to make Knights nearly invincible. Well as far as it could be conceived in the middle ages.

In DA:O the equipment is magically enhanced. Providing even more protection from attacks than normal steel armor without enchantment.

Just as a test go try and kill the High Dragon on hard without any items with a bonus on them, and without using magical items such as potions or even a mage. You'd get annihilated. And yes thats very realistic. It's also realistic to assume in that world that magic is VERY powerful, thats why mages are feared. And that very magic lends the ability to warriors and mages to kill things normal people cannot. However, how do you explain Hawke being a ninja right off the bat? It just doesn't make sense.