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[mesmerizedish]

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat, if I put you in a large closed arena and gave you full platemail and a sword and put you up against a bull elephant, what do you think would happen? You do realize that the elephant would win 10/10 times even if you did manage to injure it.

Magic full plate!!!

[Sabresandiego]

Revan312 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...
What you are stating is reality is warped. No amount of training gives a human the ability to fight like they do in any fantasy game/movie. Remember those martial arts movies you grew up watching where 1 ninja beat 40 guys? Thats fantasy, watch the UFC thats reality. Why are you willing to accept magic, accept hitpoints, accept a 200lb human defeated a 40,000lb make believe dragon with a sword of all things, yet you are not willing to accept if the game makes melee weapons swing faster than they do in reality? That is completely illogical.

Your arguments ring hollow as your basic generalization is that since there's magic and mythical beasts involved, no rules apply.. So if that's the case, you wouldn't mind if DA3 featured a magical talking jar of mayo that saves the universe from a hillbilly pickle clad in platemale bacon armor..

Rules are there for a reason, and there are boundries that when crossed thrust the world into a realm so unbelievable that you can no longer relate, which in turn causes dissatisfaction. Also, DA:O set the stage for the world with believable if not slowed movements that were deliberate and understandable.  DA2 sends that set of movement rules out the window.  It would be no different than if the next Ninja Gaiden game had Hyabusa swinging his sword at DA:O speeds.

Rules are rules, and when you change them within a world there is going to be criticism, no matter what rules are changed.

I realize Im speaking with gamers who are so out of tune with reality that they think fantasy scenarios are real. Let me ask you something, whats more realistic, swinging a 7 pound 2 handed sword at 2 swings per second, or calling down a fireball from the sky and shooting lightning out of my fingers? We arent talking about absurd talking cans of mayo. Super human fighting ability is less absurd then magic and hitpoints...

[TheInvicibleCandyBar]

Sabresandiego, I agree with everything you've said, but I think you should stop trying to convince someone who will not listen to logic/reason. I have a name for those people.

LOST CAUSES.

[PretentiousCat]

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat, if I put you in a large closed arena and gave you full platemail and a sword and put you up against a bull elephant, what do you think would happen? You do realize that the elephant would win 10/10 times even if you did manage to injure it.

Really? Elephants were hunted by humans with melee weapons, and some killed by a lone warrior. Honestly, just check some history. Hell MAMMOTHS were killed by CAVEMEN with little wooden spears.

I think with proper training and the right weapon a man in platemail could kill an elephant.

Modifié par PretentiousCat, 26 février 2011 - 12:54 .

[Gavinthelocust]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat, if I put you in a large closed arena and gave you full platemail and a sword and put you up against a bull elephant, what do you think would happen? You do realize that the elephant would win 10/10 times even if you did manage to injure it.

Magic full plate!!!

A wizard did it.

[Sabresandiego]

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

[rob_k]

Alpha Protocol, while the gameplay might not be as polished as AAA titles, was one such game where I'm glad I didn't pay attention to gameplay videos and reviews. Was one of those cases where I trusted my gut and it hasn't really let me down at all.

[Darkeus]

Wow, there are some slightly delusional people in this thread.....



It is a game, games are not, by their nature, realistic.... I mean, really! Some of the points brought up here make me think people get a little TOO IMMERSED in their games....

[Swisspease]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat, if I put you in a large closed arena and gave you full platemail and a sword and put you up against a bull elephant, what do you think would happen? You do realize that the elephant would win 10/10 times even if you did manage to injure it.

Really? Elephants were hunted by humans with melee weapons, and some killed by a lone warrior. Honestly, just check some history. Hell MAMMOTHS were killed by CAVEMEN with little wooden spears.

I think with proper training and the right weapon a man in platemail could kill an elephant.

But you forget the elephant is spouting fire out of it's trunk and is immune to non-magical weapons.

[mesmerizedish]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

Omigorsh, do I have to keep saying it?! It's magic melee combat fought by an absolute magic fool

[Darkeus]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

My man, you are arguing with a lost cause.....

[PrinceOfFallout13]

i agree with sabre as long as games has a hitpoint system i wont take them seriously as a realistic medium since ITS NOT REALISTIC

[MorrigansLove]

Agreed.

[TheInvicibleCandyBar]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat, if I put you in a large closed arena and gave you full platemail and a sword and put you up against a bull elephant, what do you think would happen? You do realize that the elephant would win 10/10 times even if you did manage to injure it.

Really? Elephants were hunted by humans with melee weapons, and some killed by a lone warrior. Honestly, just check some history. Hell MAMMOTHS were killed by CAVEMEN with little wooden spears.

I think with proper training and the right weapon a man in platemail could kill an elephant.

PretentiousCat, please quit arguing before you downgrade again. First its "oh, a human could kill a dragon!", then it's "A human might be able to take on a dinosaur" and finally " a human with proper training could kill an elephant" You went from fire- breathing death machine to Big lizard to big herbavore. You have lost the argument due to youre own replies!

[Revan312]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I realize Im speaking with gamers who are so out of tune with reality that they think fantasy scenarios are real. Let me ask you something, whats more realistic, swinging a 7 pound 2 handed sword at 2 swings per second, or calling down a fireball from the sky and shooting lightning out of my fingers? We arent talking about absurd talking cans of mayo. Super human fighting ability is less absurd then magic and hitpoints...

I'm not talking about whats more realistic.. My comment was angled at your argument that because there are certain elements within the game that aren't realistic that means that suddenly making the main characters into ninjas is fine.

To you it is, but to others it isn't.  After playing the demo it doesn't bother me personally, much. But I completely understand others who have invested time and energy immersing themselves in the Dragon Age world/lore being disappointed with the crazy, over the top moveset introduced in DA2.

Lets put it this way.. Say you read the first LOTRs book and come to understand the world and it's physical limitations.  Now you read the Twin Towers and suddenly Tolkien replaced the original style of fighting with samurai move sets.. It would complettely shatter your perception and understanding of the world. It's still realistic even, but it doesn't matter, Aragorn doesn't use a katana and Legolas doesn't use a Yumi. Consistency is now out the door and your left trying to re-establish enjoyment.

As I said, rules are established, re-creating them in the blink of an eye has consequences, period, whether it effects your enjoyment or not.

[Jet 300]

Right, what are we talking about? Oh, THIS again? Dragon Age 2 is horrible, right gotcha but you are still gonna buy it so... thats like saying "I really need to lose weight!" while you're suckin down a cheeseburger you big fatty.

[RosaAquafire]

This is the most absolutely hilarious argument I've ever seen on this forum. Carry on.

[PretentiousCat]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

Alright man, you're totally lost. Enjoy your super ninjas without explanation.

In the mean time see if Flemeth can make you a dragon too. Hopefully it'll be totally unrealistic for you and without reason. Then you can do dragon rogue cartwheels and save the universe.

[Lyrium.2]

I don't know about me, but I play games because they aren't realistc. If they were very realistic then I think my real life would be more of a thrill.

[Darkeus]

Wow, troll thread if the month.... I am so glad I have popcorn!!

[Gavinthelocust]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

Alright man, you're totally lost. Enjoy your super ninjas without explanation.

In the mean time see if Flemeth can make you a dragon too. Hopefully it'll be totally unrealistic for you and without reason. Then you can do dragon rogue cartwheels and save the universe.

I'm adding that as my background.

[Selectric]

PretentiousCat wrote...

L. O. L.   

[PretentiousCat]

TheInvicibleCandyBar wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

PretentiousCat,
if I put you in a large closed arena and gave you full platemail and a
sword and put you up against a bull elephant, what do you think would
happen? You do realize that the elephant would win 10/10 times even if
you did manage to injure it.

Really? Elephants were
hunted by humans with melee weapons, and some killed by a lone warrior.
Honestly, just check some history. Hell MAMMOTHS were killed by CAVEMEN
with little wooden spears.

I think with proper training and the right weapon a man in platemail could kill an elephant.

PretentiousCat,
please quit arguing before you downgrade again. First its "oh, a human
could kill a dragon!", then it's "A human might be able to take on a
dinosaur" and finally " a human with proper training could kill an
elephant" You went from fire- breathing death machine to Big lizard to
big herbavore. You have lost the argument due to youre own
replies!

Aye I got dragged down a bit. However I feel what my intentions are, are summarily summed up by Revan312.

However I see what you're getting at.

At best a man has maybe a .2% (lol statistics) of killing an elephant one on one in this world. However in DA:O men can kill dragons, and pretty well according to lore, with the aide of magic. And within the world of DA physics do exist as well as magic. Magic manipulates the physical world but only to an extent. And only through magic can someone really do what the heroes do in DA on what is shown as a consistent basis. But there are still rules to which a world must abide, and suddenly changing them from one game to another without explanation is not very good IMHO.

Modifié par PretentiousCat, 26 février 2011 - 01:19 .

[mesmerizedish]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

Alright man, you're totally lost. Enjoy your super ninjas without explanation.

In the mean time see if Flemeth can make you a dragon too. Hopefully it'll be totally unrealistic for you and without reason. Then you can do dragon rogue cartwheels and save the universe.

*snip*

I just want to point out that I'm doing a better a job of refuting Sabresandiego's statements than PretentiousCat, and I actually agree with Sabresandiego.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 26 février 2011 - 01:12 .

[Stardusk78]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

You could take it down with the scimitar...though I imagine you would first soften it up with the Viper...