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[PretentiousCat]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

Alright man, you're totally lost. Enjoy your super ninjas without explanation.

In the mean time see if Flemeth can make you a dragon too. Hopefully it'll be totally unrealistic for you and without reason. Then you can do dragon rogue cartwheels and save the universe.

*snip*

I just want to point out that I'm doing a better a job of refuting Sabresandiego's statements than PretentiousCat, and I actually agree with Sabresandiego.

Awwwww you cut out the funny picture :<

[Atakuma]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Youd hunt a mammoth by throwing spears at it and running, or shooting arrows at it and running, not by fighting it in melee combat like an absolute fool...

Why would you waste time with crap like that? Throw a fireball at it!

[Sabariel]

The game is not even out yet. How can anyone claim that it's better or worse than DAO?

[Selectric]

My belief about DA2 being rated lower than DA:O is that it is mostly due to Bioware "fixing" things that weren't broken or bad in DA:O. Namely:

1) Greatly lessening the amount of environment detail
2) Ensuring all environments in the game has the same Dragon Age "Look"™
3) "Mass Effecting" the conversation wheel
4) Not firing Silverman
5) Lots more that remains to be discovered

They had a winning forumla in DA1 and my impression so far is that they deviated too much from it.  Don't get me wrong, I like and encourage innovation and such in sequals, but fix and/or improve things that were bad/unfun, not stuff that worked.

Modifié par Selectric, 26 février 2011 - 01:20 .

[Elvoria]

Unless the reviewer plays the game thru I pay no attention to what they have to say, And at this point any reviews prior to release will be incomplete.

[Bryy_Miller]

Blastback wrote...

People have diffrent ideas about what's acceptably realistic in games. Sheesh.

Depends on the context of the setting, really.

[Gavinthelocust]

Sabariel wrote...

The game is not even out yet. How can anyone claim that it's better or worse than DAO?

They can't, but they'll still do it anyway to boost their ego and e-penis.

[MorrigansLove]

I think this may be the greatest thread in existence.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Selectric wrote...

My belief about DA2 being rated lower than DA:O is that it is mostly due to Bioware "fixing" things that weren't broken or bad in DA:O. Namely:

1) Greatly lessening the amount of environment detail
2) Ensuring all environments in the game has the same Dragon Age "Look"™
3) "Mass Effecting" the conversation wheel
4) Not firing Silverman
5) Lots more that remains to be discovered

can you post this after the reviews are out and the game officially is in everyones hands? because 50 reviews for origins from 70 to a 100 does not compare to da2 4 reviews of 85 to 94

[PretentiousCat]

"Yeah, uh, we didn't like how, uh, lush and green the forests looked in DA:O compared to the brown and dark Deep Roads. We felt players wanted all locations within the game to have the same overall look to them."



This is from a marketing guy pushing DA2. This is the kind of thing that foreshadows why DA2 is scoring lower.

[Sabresandiego]

I already know that DA2 is way better for me, because I like fast paced combat in addition to RPG elements. Thats why I liked Mass Effect 2 so much.

[Gavinthelocust]

MorrigansLove wrote...

I think this may be the greatest thread in existence.

There was that one thread that got side tracked into Merril getting raped by tentacles.
Still wondering if I should send in the commision.

[PretentiousCat]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I think this may be the greatest thread in existence.

There was that one thread that got side tracked into Merril getting raped by tentacles.
Still wondering if I should send in the commision.

It already exists bro...

Just 15 minutes on google can save you hundreds on porn costs!

[Nirvana24]

Weren't the highest DAO reviews coming from the PC version? And since DA2 was developed more with the consoles in mind (due to higher sales), it is taking a dip in the reviews due to cutting back on features that made the PC version "better" than the console versions in DAO?



Saying the PC version is better is of course subjective, but anything I've read in terms of DAO reviews said that the PC version was where the party was happening-- especially due to the isometric camera... which is now gone because of ceilings or something. I spend most of my time looking at the mini map during exploration so trading ceilings for isometric camera was a lose-lose situation for moi.

[Selectric]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Selectric wrote...

My belief about DA2 being rated lower than DA:O is that it is mostly due to Bioware "fixing" things that weren't broken or bad in DA:O. Namely:

1) Greatly lessening the amount of environment detail
2) Ensuring all environments in the game has the same Dragon Age "Look"™
3) "Mass Effecting" the conversation wheel
4) Not firing Silverman
5) Lots more that remains to be discovered

can you post this after the reviews are out and the game officially is in everyones hands? because 50 reviews for origins from 70 to a 100 does not compare to da2 4 reviews of 85 to 94

Numbers 1-3 can be seen from the demo.  Number 4 can be seen here.  For number 5 you have a good point.

[MorrigansLove]

- This interview sums up Bioware's feelings towards its consumers. For shame.

[mesmerizedish]

Selectric wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Selectric wrote...

My belief about DA2 being rated lower than DA:O is that it is mostly due to Bioware "fixing" things that weren't broken or bad in DA:O. Namely:

1) Greatly lessening the amount of environment detail
2) Ensuring all environments in the game has the same Dragon Age "Look"™
3) "Mass Effecting" the conversation wheel
4) Not firing Silverman
5) Lots more that remains to be discovered

can you post this after the reviews are out and the game officially is in everyones hands? because 50 reviews for origins from 70 to a 100 does not compare to da2 4 reviews of 85 to 94

Numbers 1-3 can be seen from the demo.  Number 4 can be seen here.  For number 5 you have a good point.

Except that your numbers 1-3 are subjective. We haven't seen enough of
the game to judge #1, and 2 and three I see as very positive changes.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 26 février 2011 - 01:28 .

[Gavinthelocust]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

I think this may be the greatest thread in existence.

There was that one thread that got side tracked into Merril getting raped by tentacles.
Still wondering if I should send in the commision.

It already exists bro...

Just 15 minutes on google can save you hundreds on porn costs!

All that comes up is my adventures through the early stages of the Merrill thread involving cannibalism.
I'm ashamed of you internet.

[Rockworm503]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Albeit, the scores are good ranging from 85 to 94 but Dragon Age Origins was a masterpiece in most peoples eyes with the score ranging from 90 to 100! (I don't trust the PC gamer review anyway as it came out so early when the game had'nt even gone gold) I want to know what the developers think of this, also.

Over and out.

Because everyone knows that Bioware payed off the reviewers to give it a good score to begin with .
Honestly though I think its just hard to live up to the first game.
As much as I enjoy the demo for DA2 and I know I'll love the final game when I get it I can already tell you it won't be better than DAO to me.

[Selectric]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I already know that DA2 is way better for me, because I like fast paced combat in addition to RPG elements. Thats why I liked Mass Effect 2 so much.

At first I wasn't crazy about combat in DA2, but after playing the demo a few times through it has grown on me.  Especially after I realized I could just hold down "R" (on the PC) and Hawke autoattacks.  Now I agree with you, the combat in DA2 seems to be an improvement over DA:O.  But that still doesn't change the other things I've noticed that are different in DA2 from DA1 that I don't like.

Modifié par Selectric, 26 février 2011 - 01:32 .

[Selectric]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Selectric wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Selectric wrote...

My belief about DA2 being rated lower than DA:O is that it is mostly due to Bioware "fixing" things that weren't broken or bad in DA:O. Namely:

1) Greatly lessening the amount of environment detail
2) Ensuring all environments in the game has the same Dragon Age "Look"™
3) "Mass Effecting" the conversation wheel
4) Not firing Silverman
5) Lots more that remains to be discovered

can you post this after the reviews are out and the game officially is in everyones hands? because 50 reviews for origins from 70 to a 100 does not compare to da2 4 reviews of 85 to 94

Numbers 1-3 can be seen from the demo.  Number 4 can be seen here.  For number 5 you have a good point.

Except that your numbers 1-3 are subjective. We haven't seen enough of
the game to judge #1, and 2 and three I see as very positive changes.

That the changes are present is not subjective.  The first three points have been articulated by Bioware employees, and we've all now seen them in the demo.

What is left to opinion is whether these changes are a good thing or not.  Personally I don't believe that they are.

Modifié par Selectric, 26 février 2011 - 01:36 .

[MorrigansLove]

Dragon Age 2.

[PretentiousCat]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Dragon Age 2.

We heard you like DLC so we gave you DLC to DLC while you earn more DLC in your DLC.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Revan312 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

I realize Im speaking with gamers who are so out of tune with reality that they think fantasy scenarios are real. Let me ask you something, whats more realistic, swinging a 7 pound 2 handed sword at 2 swings per second, or calling down a fireball from the sky and shooting lightning out of my fingers? We arent talking about absurd talking cans of mayo. Super human fighting ability is less absurd then magic and hitpoints...

I'm not talking about whats more realistic.. My comment was angled at your argument that because there are certain elements within the game that aren't realistic that means that suddenly making the main characters into ninjas is fine.

To you it is, but to others it isn't.  After playing the demo it doesn't bother me personally, much. But I completely understand others who have invested time and energy immersing themselves in the Dragon Age world/lore being disappointed with the crazy, over the top moveset introduced in DA2.

Lets put it this way.. Say you read the first LOTRs book and come to understand the world and it's physical limitations.  Now you read the Twin Towers and suddenly Tolkien replaced the original style of fighting with samurai move sets.. It would complettely shatter your perception and understanding of the world. It's still realistic even, but it doesn't matter, Aragorn doesn't use a katana and Legolas doesn't use a Yumi. Consistency is now out the door and your left trying to re-establish enjoyment.

As I said, rules are established, re-creating them in the blink of an eye has consequences, period, whether it effects your enjoyment or not.

but bioware said that the new changes in style were now cannon like the new elf designs. one can assume that the new combat can be considered that as well. and people do flip around like that. parkour for instance.....and ninjas rely on stealth in order to fight in the first place. the new fighting is like gymnastics with blades. dont go attacking one side of the argument without acknowledging the flaws in the other....

[Finis Valorum]

Selectric wrote...

My belief about DA2 being rated lower than DA:O is that it is mostly due to Bioware "fixing" things that weren't broken or bad in DA:O. Namely:

1) Greatly lessening the amount of environment detail
2) Ensuring all environments in the game has the same Dragon Age "Look"™
3) "Mass Effecting" the conversation wheel
4) Not firing Silverman
5) Lots more that remains to be discovered

They had a winning forumla in DA1 and my impression so far is that they deviated too much from it.  Don't get me wrong, I like and encourage innovation and such in sequals, but fix and/or improve things that were bad/unfun, not stuff that worked.

1) Great the Circle tower in Kirkwall will no longer have books, good to see innovation has progressed to the concept of paperless work and study environments.

2) Stylistic consistency is great if done right it just seems that in DA2 it wasn't.

3) Meh... but not a game breaking issue for me personally.

4) Are you kidding, I bet that guy is on the fast track to becoming the next CEO of EA. He probably got a huge bonus just for that interview.

5) I dread to imagine the possibilities.