Hence the title what the hell was the point of the conduit if saren with his army of geth could've just invaded the citidel
What was the point of the conduit
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 04:36
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The point was that Saren and Sovereign did not know what the conduit actually was until they found it. All Sovereign knew was that the Keepers didn't respond when he sent the signal, and so he needed to find out why. Using Saren, an organic, he was able to access the Prothean Beacon data, which let him know about them doing something with something called the Conduit, but Sovereign did not know what it was.
Rather than simply blindly attacking the Citadel and possibly flying right into some unknown dangerous weapon related to whatever the Conduit might be, Sovereign and Saren set out to find out more. The first step was to attack Eden Prime to see if the beacon discovered there had more data or not than the beacon they already had on Virmire. The rest was everything else that happened in the game. Remember, we were basically following the steps Saren took.
My guess about the final attack is that, upon discovering what the Conduit really was and understanding that it wasn't some kind of secret weapon that could actually harm Sovereign or any Reapers who come through the relay, the plan was pretty much as we saw it: split their forces, so that Saren attacks the Citadel from the inside while Sovereign and his Geth fleet attack from the outside, causing as much chaos and confusion as possible so Sovereign can get in and activate the Citadel relay himself.
Rather than simply blindly attacking the Citadel and possibly flying right into some unknown dangerous weapon related to whatever the Conduit might be, Sovereign and Saren set out to find out more. The first step was to attack Eden Prime to see if the beacon discovered there had more data or not than the beacon they already had on Virmire. The rest was everything else that happened in the game. Remember, we were basically following the steps Saren took.
My guess about the final attack is that, upon discovering what the Conduit really was and understanding that it wasn't some kind of secret weapon that could actually harm Sovereign or any Reapers who come through the relay, the plan was pretty much as we saw it: split their forces, so that Saren attacks the Citadel from the inside while Sovereign and his Geth fleet attack from the outside, causing as much chaos and confusion as possible so Sovereign can get in and activate the Citadel relay himself.
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 05:28
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Sovereign needed to be able to manually turn on the Citadel Relay. Which it couldn't do if it was being attacked.
Saren used the Conduit to be able to disable the Relay defenses and close the arms so that Sovereign could do it's work.
If Saren piggy-backed on Sovereign, Cidetal defenses would still have been operational, and it would have taken too much time for Saren to get to the operations center to shut down defenses and close the station arms.
Saren used the Conduit to be able to disable the Relay defenses and close the arms so that Sovereign could do it's work.
If Saren piggy-backed on Sovereign, Cidetal defenses would still have been operational, and it would have taken too much time for Saren to get to the operations center to shut down defenses and close the station arms.
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 08:27
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the only thing I thought was a little (left out) was that the main council ship didnt have the council on it when they started the attack, they radio over that they should evac the council as the stations arms wont close, the next scene the council are onboard. But if the arms wouldnt close that means Saren was onboard the citadel, why didnt he just kill the council himself? Just a little nit pick lol
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 10:34
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One thing I missed while finishing ME1 is ... why the Reapers need to destroy galactic civilizations over and over again? What's the meaning? I have not played ME2 yet, so will I found this answere there?
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 11:03
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Erregus Kal wrote...
One thing I missed while finishing ME1 is ... why the Reapers need to destroy galactic civilizations over and over again? What's the meaning? I have not played ME2 yet, so will I found this answere there?
I suppose that you mean that you got that they harvest civilisations that are developed enough but not why? Yeah, that gets a bit more explained in ME2.
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 01:12
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You ask that to Sovereign in Virmire and to the prothean VI in Ilos. Sovereign says extinction is needed because they demand it and that we are too dumb to conceive the nature of their motivations, etc. The VI essentially says it doesn't know and who cares anyway, so the game doesn't make it explicit.Erregus Kal wrote...
One thing I missed while finishing ME1 is ... why the Reapers need to destroy galactic civilizations over and over again? What's the meaning? I have not played ME2 yet, so will I found this answere there?
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 02:44
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stormx2233 wrote...
the only thing I thought was a little (left out) was that the main council ship didnt have the council on it when they started the attack, they radio over that they should evac the council as the stations arms wont close, the next scene the council are onboard. But if the arms wouldnt close that means Saren was onboard the citadel, why didnt he just kill the council himself? Just a little nit pick lol
Because the Council is insignificant at this particular point in time. They can't do anything personally to stop him (though it would have been funny to watch them try), and the chaos generated by the sudden attack makes it unlikely they'd be able to rally any kind of organized defense before the Reapers get here.
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 09:15
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Nyoka wrote...
... they demand it and that we are too dumb to conceive the nature of their motivations ...
Yes, I remember that, but in that moment I thought I wanted at least to try conceive, maybe we ar not so much dumb :-) Something tells me authors did not want to tell us :-)
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 09:58
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The intangibles were an aspect of the game that I liked very much. Not only we don't know why the reapers do this, but also the civilized species live on the citadel without really understanding how it works, 'living on borrowed time', so to speak, yet maintaining the appearance of authority and government, pretending they're on solid ground when they're not. For instance, they don't know what are the keepers, so they simply ignore them. They can't access the main core of the citadel, so they just don't go there. There's tension and fragility under the facade.
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 10:55
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Erregus Kal wrote...
Nyoka wrote...
... they demand it and that we are too dumb to conceive the nature of their motivations ...
Yes, I remember that, but in that moment I thought I wanted at least to try conceive, maybe we ar not so much dumb :-) Something tells me authors did not want to tell us :-)
ME2 does give a bit more info on this.
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Posté 26 février 2011 - 11:29
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It probably wont becuse the 'comic' in ME2 PS3 version never mentions conduit, neither it is mentioned in ME2 at any point.xForty wrote...
MAybe Me3 will explain why?
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 11:09
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Shinian2 wrote...
ME2 does give a bit more info on this.
I cant wait to play ME2. Bud now, something makes me to play ME1 over and over again. Maybe when I legally get all the achievements...
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 11:26
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Did you actually NOT play the game?...
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:55
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Not ME2, playing ME1 for the second time now.leeboi2 wrote...
Did you actually NOT play the game?...
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 06:41
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Null_ wrote...
It probably wont becuse the 'comic' in ME2 PS3 version never mentions conduit, neither it is mentioned in ME2 at any point.xForty wrote...
MAybe Me3 will explain why?
The conduit is mentioned in LotSB.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 12:26
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Erregus Kal wrote...
Not ME2, playing ME1 for the second time now.leeboi2 wrote...
Did you actually NOT play the game?...
You should know then, Saren didn't know what the conduit was, but he knew it had something to do with the Citadel, and since the keepers wouldn't open the arms for Sovereign, he had to use the conduit to manually get inside the Citadel and open the arms, or the whole attack would have failed pretty badly.
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Posté 04 mars 2011 - 10:53
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Fromyou wrote...
Hence the title what the hell was the point of the conduit if saren with his army of geth could've just invaded the citidel
Same reason why they use the Citadel as a trap instead of just invading outright (like they will in ME3)... a
sneak attack is way more efficient.
Especially considering that they locked the relay too right away, stoping any reinforcements from coming
until Shepard unlocked it again.
And that the asary commander on the Destiny Ascension ordered the arms closed before Sovereign was even near them...
Modifié par prostel, 04 mars 2011 - 10:57 .
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 11:56
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They needed the back door for the citadel assault to succeed. Sovereign couldn't have succeeded in the attack without Saren's help inside, and Saren couldn't have completed his mission inside without Sovereign attacking the citadel from outside. Put the 2 together, and they could complete the mission, but obviously don't, thanks to shepard.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 09:25
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I'm sorry if someone already said this. Sovereign needed Saren inside the citadel to give him access to teh citadel and close the wards.
