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[Stardusk78]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

There's been loads of negative reviews so far. Are we like, the only ones that like it? ._.

Like, I think like we are, because like it's like such an awesome game...like.

[Aesieru]

"Flemeth is Shredder".



Priceless.

[heretica]

When someone tries new stuff, they will have bad reviews for a small period of time until people get used to it.



When Nintendo anounced wii remote controls, Sony and Microsoft laughed at them. Next thing you know, kinect and move are out...

[Amioran]

h0ncho wrote...
Uh, both BG2, KOTOR, KOTOR2, NWN2 expansions, DA:O and ME2 were well received on the codex. Go troll
somewhere else.

Maybe you did read another site and exchanged the two. Certainly if you are as good at reading that site as you are good at reading my message of before I already have my reply.

I never talked about KOTOR, never talked about NWN2, never talked about ME2 (that anyway it's neither considered an rpg by them). I talked about BG that it was indeed nominated the worst idea ever at the time for the real time + pause combat. I talked about BG2 not being received well because the short dev time. I talked about DAO being talked down because it was called a "spiritual successor".

All these things have happend in that forum, and all those titles have, after - strangely - become some of the most loved rpgs by them. Do you know why? Because the general consensus changed, only for this, not because they changed opinion, because that would have been fine.

h0ncho wrote...
As for turn-based, they *still* find it superior, but realize it's a lost fight. Doesn't stop them from proclaiming turn-based indies as game of the year though.

A shame that they care only for some things while completely miss all the others they don't either try to understand. It would be a sin for them trying to think out of the schemes they have been imposed themselves and that they have not the minimal intention of debating just because it's much more simple to keep those to remain shielded.

If a thing is not in their "rule book" then it must be wrong. The time I was in that forum (a lot ago) has been the confirmation of why I didn't like catechism when I was young. Satan = evil, God = good, as if in nature it would exist something absolutely evil and something absolutely good as that.

The dualistic concept is faulted and it's used only as an excuse for mediocrity and being lead by hand by other people's idead turned by yourself in absolutisms. It doesn't exists rules for mediums as for art as story have proved much too well. All those who insist on clinging on a firm rule for forms of expressions do so just because they have not the minimal knowledge nor the courage to have a mind of their own and use these "rules" just as an excuse to being lead by some other's indications that after they transforms in unvalicable walls for their own integrity.

Modifié par Amioran, 26 février 2011 - 04:22 .

[rob_k]

You know, Amioran has a point...

I'm currently reading the impressions thread on RPG Codex for Origins... and people weren't pre-judging the game or anything there at all...

(I'm also looking at complaints regarding 4 dialog choices when you get asked to become a grey warden, and they then say there's no choice because it leads to the same outcome... And then are also the linear complaints... does this remind anyone of anything at all as it relates to DA 2?)

Modifié par rob_k, 26 février 2011 - 04:27 .

[The BUMFACE]

A group of people passionate about their hobby who have been specifically told by the industry that their tastes don't matter, they're stupid for having them, and that they will never be catered for again are angry? Can't imagine why.

All these things have happend in that forum, and all those titles
have, after - strangely - become some of the most loved rpgs by them.
Do you know why? Because the general consensus changed, only for this,
not because they changed opinion, because that would have been fine.

...or because the members there generally have very different views from each other? Scary though, I know. There are plenty of people who hate BG. There are plenty of people who think BG is the best RPG ever. There's no massive consensus on anything except "Fallout was pretty cool" and "RPGs have gone downhill in a general sense".

Modifié par The BUMFACE, 26 février 2011 - 04:30 .

[rob_k]

If that was in reply to me, Face, I didn't mean that but there are some similarities between the criticisms aired at Origins at release and the ones being aimed at DA 2 now.

Edit: Nevermind, see you edited your post.

Modifié par rob_k, 26 février 2011 - 04:31 .

[Amioran]

The BUMFACE wrote...

A group of people passionate about their hobby who have been specifically told by the industry that their tastes don't matter, they're stupid for having them, and that they will never be catered for again are angry? Can't imagine why.

So do you think them victims? Nobody told them their tastes don't matter. It is totally the contrary: it is that they think that only THEIR taste is what matters. Others just don't understand or are not good enough or not old enough to comprehend.

Problem is: if they really had all this knowledge then they should know already that changing something doesn't mean making it dying. Actually totally the contrary.

And second problem is: if what they consider s***t because those who like it don't comprehend nothing, don't understand nothing, don't are enable to judge etc. after becomes good or great for the general consensus (of whom they adhore) then immediately after they act as if they told it already and they already did knew it was going to be great. It's probable that everytime a title of Bioware exits they suffers from loss of memory, it seems.

I don't know how you call this, but I call it hypocrisy.

The BUMFACE wrote...
...or because the members there generally have very different views from each other? Scary though, I know.

For them, in fact. Not certainly for me. I'm not the one that have imposed truths on the things around. I'm not the one that changes these "truths" for convenience. I don't believe in truths to begin with, but if I indeed would believe in them I would not certainly change them on a whim just because it is more convenient after to do so.

Modifié par Amioran, 26 février 2011 - 04:40 .

[RosaAquafire]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I haven't heard anyone ask for a BioWare to do a equal to the Quest for Glory series. However, I'd support it if they did so.

I missed the rest of the thread after this cause I went and reinstalled Shadows of Darkness.

[Archideas]

*Misposted*

Modifié par Archideas, 26 février 2011 - 05:07 .

[Yojimboo]

marko2te wrote...

Skyrim will look good, the problem is that Bethesdas writers suck.

Well yeah i always wondered about that because some of the secondary quests are allot better written then the main plot.

But Bioware ain't that much better in that regard, i mean they kind of always do the same princaple of story progression.

Gather 3 allied factions or find 3 maps or find x amount of companions.

I mean it's kind of obvious since Kotor ^.^.

[h0ncho]

Amioran wrote...

h0ncho wrote...
Uh, both BG2, KOTOR, KOTOR2, NWN2 expansions, DA:O and ME2 were well received on the codex. Go troll
somewhere else.

Maybe you did read another site and exchanged the two. Certainly if you are as good at reading that site as you are good at reading my message of before I already have my reply.

I never talked about KOTOR, never talked about NWN2, never talked about ME2 (that anyway it's neither considered an rpg by them). I talked about BG that it was indeed nominated the worst idea ever at the time for the real time + pause combat. I talked about BG2 not being received well because the short dev time. I talked about DAO being talked down because it was called a "spiritual successor".

All these things have happend in that forum, and all those titles have, after - strangely - become some of the most loved rpgs by them. Do you know why? Because the general consensus changed, only for this, not because they changed opinion, because that would have been fine.

h0ncho wrote...
As for turn-based, they *still* find it superior, but realize it's a lost fight. Doesn't stop them from proclaiming turn-based indies as game of the year though.

A shame that they care only for some things while completely miss all the others they don't either try to understand. It would be a sin for them trying to think out of the schemes they have been imposed themselves and that they have not the minimal intention of debating just because it's much more simple to keep those to remain shielded.

If a thing is not in their "rule book" then it must be wrong. The time I was in that forum (a lot ago) has been the confirmation of why I didn't like catechism when I was young. Satan = evil, God = good, as if in nature it would exist something absolutely evil and something absolutely good as that.

The dualistic concept is faulted and it's used only as an excuse for mediocrity and being lead by hand by other people's idead turned by yourself in absolutisms. It doesn't exists rules for mediums as for art as story have proved much too well. All those who insist on clinging on a firm rule for forms of expressions do so just because they have not the minimal knowledge nor the courage to have a mind of their own and use these "rules" just as an excuse to being lead by some other's indications that after they transforms in unvalicable walls for their own integrity.

Thing is, Codexers have very vocal opinions about most things, but they also have very divergent opinions. Saying that "Codexers" disliked BG is technically true - many do. And many don't. It's a very multifaceted place, and it has become more so with time. I sense some butthurt in you about the BG example... Did you argue with VD about that?

As for those games being "best loved RPGs", the Codex loves games only very conditionally, and is never averse to pointing out flaws. This is a good thing.

There are a couple of things that are acknowledged as hallmarks of good RPG's however, even there, and it is:

(real) Choices&consequences, depth in combat, and story. Bioware has systematically removed more and more of those elements from their games ever since BG2, and that worries most of them.

[Zigzaggy]

RohanD wrote...

SkyWard20 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Zigzaggy wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

You haven't followed the recent news. The game is now called Dragon Duty: Middle Age Warfare 2.

haha

I thought it was Dragon May Cry Effect of the Oni Night Warriors 2, The Darkening

no?

It's actually Dragon of War, Kirkwall: Symphony of the Dragon

lulz

I think a title we can all agree on;

Dragon Age 2: not the sequel you've been looking for. 

 all good but the first one tops...damned miffed i didn't come up with it.

[Sereaph502]

The BUMFACE wrote...

A group of people passionate about their hobby who have been specifically told by the industry that their tastes don't matter, they're stupid for having them, and that they will never be catered for again are angry? Can't imagine why.

Oh, so Bioware personally came to you, either to your house or otherwise, and told you, "your ideas are stupid and you're stupid for having them."?

People sure do love to get overdramatic when they don't get things their way.

[HoonDing]

That comparison pic of Lady Hawke and Squall posted in that RPG Codex thread is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. Funny because it's spot on.

Modifié par virumor, 26 février 2011 - 05:25 .

[Tryggen]

From RPG Codex:

___



God of Dragon Age Dead Space War II!



Dead May Cry Space God of Dragon War Effect

___



Win.

[Merced652]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Why should I - or anyone else really - care what other people think about the demo when I've played it myself, and can draw my own conclusions?

Idunno, why then do you wish to engage in discussion on an internet forum where you can draw your only conclusions?

[Merced652]

Aldandil wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Aldandil wrote...

I can name plenty of FPSs. 

No, don't cherry pick my question. I said specifically

FPS/RPG Space Opera hybrids

And now that DA2 is predominantly a console game it is competing against every single party based RPG on the consoles, of which there are many. 

tactical RPGs .

i know you're not trying to talk about da2..

[finc.loki]

virumor wrote...

That comparison pic of Lady Hawke and Squall posted in that RPG Codex thread is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. Funny because it's spot on.

I take it Squall is a girl? If not, then a very gender confused drawn character. I never played FF games.

Tell me how is it spot on, cause they look alike or something to do with graphics?

[RavenStorm]

The BUMFACE wrote...

A group of people passionate about their hobby who have been specifically told by the industry that their tastes don't matter, they're stupid for having them, and that they will never be catered for again are angry? Can't imagine why.

 That's a good question. I can't imagine why either. It's not like there aren't accessible tools. That a lot of you could make use of. To keep creating these experiences yourself. Furthering both the industry and the RPG market.
 
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  Also While I'm at it. I wonder if the people comparing DA2 to Devil May Cry and the God of War series. Have even played these games? I don't recall Juggling any dark spawn into the air, then Jumping up shooting them. Then coming back at them with a sword combo. Unless that's in the final game and I just don't know it yet.

[Smilehigh]

RavenStorm wrote...

The BUMFACE wrote...

A group of people passionate about their hobby who have been specifically told by the industry that their tastes don't matter, they're stupid for having them, and that they will never be catered for again are angry? Can't imagine why.

 That's a good question. I can't imagine why either. It's not like there aren't accessible tools. That a lot of you could make use of. To keep creating these experiences yourself. Furthering both the industry and the RPG market.
 

Is this some kind of spinoff off the "you can't criticize it until you've done better" argument? They are gamers, not developers.
Or are you talking about the "accessible tools" to mod DA2 perhaps? Because they will be available with the game, right? (Not that it would make any sense to mod it at all)

And FYI there's at least one indie game in development made by the codexers and strongly supported by the Codex - The Age Of Decadence @ www.irontowerstudio.com/

Modifié par Smilehigh, 26 février 2011 - 11:23 .

[Tryggen]

Smilehigh wrote...

Is this some kind of spinoff off the "you can't criticize it until you've done better" argument? They are gamers, not developers.
Or are you talking about the "accessible tools" to mod DA2 perhaps? Because they will be available with the game, right? (Not that it would make any sense to mod it at all)

And FYI there's at least one indie game in development made by the codexers and strongly supported by the Codex - The Age Of Decadence @ www.irontowerstudio.com/

Huh, that game looks kinda promising. Will keep my eyes out and get some more information about it, thanks for the tip!

[Neow]

JohnEpler wrote...

A fair question! Though I can tell you that I've passed this concern along to the appropriate people. Unfortunately, my job is far enough removed from that sort of thing that all I can do is go to their offices and say 'hey, guys, psst. Remember that thing.'

Thank you John, for the effort. I'm very well understand your situation as I've been that "hey, guys, psst, Remember that thing" guy before. Thank you for your effort to raise the concern and taking the heat from the fan.

[Melca36]

RohanD wrote...

Eurogamer

Rockpapershotgun

Gameblurb

Steam

RPGCodex (if it's not your cup of tea, it's still good for teh lulz)

Enjoy!

I NEVER take anybody seriously on the Steam Boards.

[Saibh]

rob_k wrote...

You know, Amioran has a point...

I'm currently reading the impressions thread on RPG Codex for Origins... and people weren't pre-judging the game or anything there at all...

(I'm also looking at complaints regarding 4 dialog choices when you get asked to become a grey warden, and they then say there's no choice because it leads to the same outcome... And then are also the linear complaints... does this remind anyone of anything at all as it relates to DA 2?)

But it's the perspective you need:  the things they complain about in DAII--the dialogue wheel, the combat, the voiced protagonist--well, that would make you think they appreciated DAO, right? No. They slam on DAO, too. They're not looking to be fair and magnanimous in their decisions. They're looking to have fun trolling it. That's fine, since they're not over here, but don't give them the credit of thinking they're a legitimate message board with legitimate opinions.