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[In Exile]

RohanD wrote...
As I said in a previous post (no point repeating myself), the speed of the combat in DA2, has all but made pause and play a redundant element to the gameplay. It seems totally useless, and it is obvious the game was not really designed with this mechanic in mind (again see my previous post).

You're wrong. I play DA2 exclusively as pause & play with full party control and tactics disabled. I prefer DA2 to DA:O combat for this playstyle.

[DTKT]

Hi.

I'm a PC gamer and I cared little for the tactical view in DAO. I dont care that it's gone in DAII.

Thanks.

Also, the level design issue seem to be present in both Mass Effect and DAII. It's interesting to see how even when incredibly different, both franchises can have the same issues

[Lennonkun]

RohanD wrote...
Interesting, do you have a link? I'll add it to the OP. 

Anyone who has a positive PC thread to add as well, let me know.

Cheers.

http://forums.someth...hreadid=3335887

Keep in mind it is a LONG and old thread. Demo discussion begins around 365 for up to date impressions including the hilarity of 4 hour wait times.

[RohanD]

TwistedComplex wrote...

People are looking at DA:O with rose tinted glasses way too much

In DA:O the abilities sucked, and there were too many of them considering almost all of them were bad

The combat was slow and unresponsive

And the entire companion system felt like a dating sim. Gifts? Really? Gifts...

DA2 cuts all the fat and makes more than just the story engaging

Twisted, I understand you really like DA2. But if DA2 is so good, why do you feel the need to bash DA:O to prop it up?

I don't agree with any of the statements you just made by the way. 

[Dorian the Monk of Sune]

TwistedComplex wrote...



There was never any depth to the AI to begin with

DA:O AI just attacked who ever did the most damage, or had the heaviest armor. Same with DA2. Neither of these games have outstanding AI, at least as far as i can tell, i haven't played all of DA2, but don't pretend that DA:O had "great" AI, because it didn't, in fact i would go as far as saying DA:Os AI was generic at best

I sure as hell didn't play DA:O because of the combat

I never said it had good AI. Yes the AI was weak. Also why would you play DA:O at all if you didnt like the combat? The game was 90% combat. Thats why I didnt finish it. There are too many good games out there to play a game thats jacked with filler combat that has bad combat. Well maybe not bad just below Bioware's standard. The game started off well. The Redcliff quest was top notch after that it was just like playing an 80s sidescroller fighting waves of filler before a boss with gobs of hp. 

Modifié par Dorian the Monk of Sune, 27 février 2011 - 04:48 .

[Piecake]

Lennonkun wrote...

Piecake wrote...
I really dislike when people try to speak for a group of people

Too bad for you the vocal majority of those people are in agreement. There is a small amount of individuals who played DA:O on PC that are not irritated by this.

Are those 3 sites in OPs post that majority? Well they are part of it. There are many more than 3 sites discussing DA2. The thread over at Something Awful and the majority of goons are irritated as heck too enough so that of the 400+ pages, the majority of it is negative.

Too bad for me?  I dislike it when anyone in any circumstance tries to give their opinion more weight by saying that they speak for an entire group of people.  I find it pathetic.  In this case you can't possibly know what a large group of people think about a game or a feature because there simply isnt any data.  To say something like you did and still have it make sense, you need to drastically qualify it. 

Oh, something like the majority of vocal PC gamers on such and such forums dislike DA2 or such and such feature of DA2.  The problem is, is that you said that you speak for them all, which irritates me because you do not speak for me.  Do I prefer DA2's camera to the iso?  No.  Would I prefer to have the iso camera?  Yes.  That, however, is not to say that I think that DA2's camera will ruin tactical gameplay.  I am perfectly confident that it is still there.  The only difference to me is that the camera will bug me more since it will make enemies harder to see.

[RohanD]

Lennonkun wrote...

RohanD wrote...
Interesting, do you have a link? I'll add it to the OP. 

Anyone who has a positive PC thread to add as well, let me know.

Cheers.

http://forums.someth...hreadid=3335887

Keep in mind it is a LONG and old thread. Demo discussion begins around 365 for up to date impressions including the hilarity of 4 hour wait times.

Oh, seems like you have to be registered just to view the forum? That's kind of lame...

[TwistedComplex]

RohanD wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

People are looking at DA:O with rose tinted glasses way too much

In DA:O the abilities sucked, and there were too many of them considering almost all of them were bad

The combat was slow and unresponsive

And the entire companion system felt like a dating sim. Gifts? Really? Gifts...

DA2 cuts all the fat and makes more than just the story engaging

Twisted, I understand you really like DA2. But if DA2 is so good, why do you feel the need to bash DA:O to prop it up?

I don't agree with any of the statements you just made by the way. 

I'm pointing out what they fix'd that DA:O lacked so of course I'm not gonna point out the GOOD points of DA:O, which there were plenty

You CAN NOT deny that most of the abilities in DA:O were useless with one advanced class being COMPLETELY useless. Shapeshifter

[Lennonkun]

RohanD wrote...

Lennonkun wrote...

RohanD wrote...
Interesting, do you have a link? I'll add it to the OP. 

Anyone who has a positive PC thread to add as well, let me know.

Cheers.

http://forums.someth...hreadid=3335887

Keep in mind it is a LONG and old thread. Demo discussion begins around 365 for up to date impressions including the hilarity of 4 hour wait times.

Oh, seems like you have to be registered just to view the forum? That's kind of lame...

Looks like they blocked Games... they randomly block various forums to encourage people to join, bummer. Give it some time, should open up again.

Also, the subtitle of the DA2 thread says it all. "Horny Hawkes on Hot Rods"

Modifié par Lennonkun, 27 février 2011 - 04:51 .

[TwistedComplex]

Dorian the Monk of Sune wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...



There was never any depth to the AI to begin with

DA:O AI just attacked who ever did the most damage, or had the heaviest armor. Same with DA2. Neither of these games have outstanding AI, at least as far as i can tell, i haven't played all of DA2, but don't pretend that DA:O had "great" AI, because it didn't, in fact i would go as far as saying DA:Os AI was generic at best

I sure as hell didn't play DA:O because of the combat

I never said it had good AI. Yes the AI was weak. Also why would you play DA:O at all if you didnt like the combat? The game was 90% combat. Thats why I didnt finish it. There are too many good games out there to play a game thats jacked with filler combat that has bad combat. Well maybe not bad just below Bioware's standard. The game started off well. The Redcliff quest was top notch after that it was just like playing an 80s sidescroller fighting waves of filler before a boss with gobs of hp. 

I played it for the story and characters

On my 6th playthrough i opened the console commands and just used killall through the entire game

There is NOTHING engaging about playing Wyyne exclusively during boss fights

Every fight i was either constantly healing, or constantly using potions

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

Teehee i had to sooorry

[TwistedComplex]

RohanD wrote...

Lennonkun wrote...

Interesting, do you have a link? I'll add it to the OP. 

Anyone who has a positive PC thread to add as well, let me know.

Cheers.

http://forums.someth...hreadid=3335887

Keep in mind it is a LONG and old thread. Demo discussion begins around 365 for up to date impressions including the hilarity of 4 hour wait times.

Wow you have to pay 10 dollars just to look at a forums

[RohanD]

In Exile wrote...

RohanD wrote...
As I said in a previous post (no point repeating myself), the speed of the combat in DA2, has all but made pause and play a redundant element to the gameplay. It seems totally useless, and it is obvious the game was not really designed with this mechanic in mind (again see my previous post).

You're wrong. I play DA2 exclusively as pause & play with full party control and tactics disabled. I prefer DA2 to DA:O combat for this playstyle.

No, you're wrong. See what I did there? Stating that someone is simply wrong is not a discussion, and that is what forums are about. 

For the record, I played DA:O in the same fashion, all tactics turned off, on nightmare, pausing and playing, and I don't think this will work as well in DA2 with the combat speed being left the way it is now. There is possibly hope for a patch that could add an option to control the combat speed, but I wouldn't hold my breath. 

[TwistedComplex]

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Teehee i had to sooorry

Speaking of button masher, I'm glad Garalt could join us

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 27 février 2011 - 04:55 .

[RohanD]

TwistedComplex wrote...


I'm pointing out what they fix'd that DA:O lacked so of course I'm not gonna point out the GOOD points of DA:O, which there were plenty

You CAN NOT deny that most of the abilities in DA:O were useless with one advanced class being COMPLETELY useless. Shapeshifter

I don't think those points were bad. I don't really care about the friendship/rivalry/dating sim stuff, but I thought finding specific gifts to unlock specific story quests for each character was cool. 

I disagree about the skills completely. Sure shapeshifter sucked, but there's no reason it couldn't have been improved in the sequel. What did Bioware do? Remove it. 

As a mage I found a use for almost every spell in the book. On my first play through I never used bombs or poisons or traps, but on my second, I did and it added to the experience a lot. 

Sorry to say but if you didn't find a skill useful, I think it may be because you just didn't think of how to use it in the right situation. I don't want to sound rude, but that's how it seems to me. 

[Lennonkun]

TwistedComplex wrote...
Wow you have to pay 10 dollars just to look at a forums

As said, give it time, it'll unlock. But you do have to pay/become a goon to post of course.

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

Lol i dunno if its a button masher or not, i mean i played the first and while the combat was not perfect it suited the game pretty well and i felt comfortable with it.

Now no VS thread here intended, i just saw this pic and thought it was funny.

I still have to play DA2, i´ll get the demo tomorrow as i´m working.

[TwistedComplex]

RohanD wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...


I'm pointing out what they fix'd that DA:O lacked so of course I'm not gonna point out the GOOD points of DA:O, which there were plenty

You CAN NOT deny that most of the abilities in DA:O were useless with one advanced class being COMPLETELY useless. Shapeshifter

I don't think those points were bad. I don't really care about the friendship/rivalry/dating sim stuff, but I thought finding specific gifts to unlock specific story quests for each character was cool. 

I disagree about the skills completely. Sure shapeshifter sucked, but there's no reason it couldn't have been improved in the sequel. What did Bioware do? Remove it. 

As a mage I found a use for almost every spell in the book. On my first play through I never used bombs or poisons or traps, but on my second, I did and it added to the experience a lot. 

Sorry to say but if you didn't find a skill useful, I think it may be because you just didn't think of how to use it in the right situation. I don't want to sound rude, but that's how it seems to me. 

Mages had the most useful skills because they had the most offensive abilities and buffs

I never used glyphs, i never used blood magic, i never used a lot of things in mages

And for warriors? Please. Just turn on berserker and use your 4 heaviest hitting abilities in every fight

And I'm 99% there is no shapeshifter in DA2 because there is no shapeshifter in your party like morrigan was

[RohanD]

TwistedComplex wrote...

RohanD wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...


I'm pointing out what they fix'd that DA:O lacked so of course I'm not gonna point out the GOOD points of DA:O, which there were plenty

You CAN NOT deny that most of the abilities in DA:O were useless with one advanced class being COMPLETELY useless. Shapeshifter

I don't think those points were bad. I don't really care about the friendship/rivalry/dating sim stuff, but I thought finding specific gifts to unlock specific story quests for each character was cool. 

I disagree about the skills completely. Sure shapeshifter sucked, but there's no reason it couldn't have been improved in the sequel. What did Bioware do? Remove it. 

As a mage I found a use for almost every spell in the book. On my first play through I never used bombs or poisons or traps, but on my second, I did and it added to the experience a lot. 

Sorry to say but if you didn't find a skill useful, I think it may be because you just didn't think of how to use it in the right situation. I don't want to sound rude, but that's how it seems to me. 

Mages had the most useful skills because they had the most offensive abilities and buffs

I never used glyphs, i never used blood magic, i never used a lot of things in mages

And for warriors? Please. Just turn on berserker and use your 4 heaviest hitting abilities in every fight

And I'm 99% there is no shapeshifter in DA2 because there is no shapeshifter in your party like morrigan was

I used glyphs. I used blood magic. I used warrior skills. 

Did you play the game on nightmare at all? It is a while until you get beserker, I also had a reaver, was quite fun, and a templar was good for shutting down buffs on enemies. Champion was slightly boring but not horrible. 

I think you haven't explored enough of the skills and tried to use them in different situations. 

[RohanD]

edit: double post

Modifié par RohanD, 27 février 2011 - 05:12 .

[Bryy_Miller]

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Teehee i had to sooorry

That's actually really good.

[Merced652]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Piecake wrote...

Lennonkun wrote...

BeardedNinja wrote...
well I read from the Devs that the changed the panned out view so that they could make actual tall buildings and didnt have to cut the roof out of every area in this game. But yeah, blaming consoles for everything worls too:P

The loss of isometric camera is a devastating loss for PC gamers. We frankly don't care about the ceilings of some building. We care about the tactical gameplay of our party.

I really dislike when people try to speak for a group of people

Me too - then again, maybe he's using the royal "We" due to his apparently high opinion of himself as a PC gamer. *snort*

He was speaking for me, happy? Oh wait, you're too busy being even more self righteous.

[spernus]

This is a Bioware board and most of you are big fans so of course you are going to defend the game.However,it's really possible that DA2 end up a very mediocre or underwhelming game.

Unlike a lot of people here,I don't consider Bioware as a developer on par with Valve or Blizzard in that it's 100% guarantee quality (and even then,with these 2 it's first and foremost a question of maniacal polishing and QA moreso than the type of game which is not always to my liking).Should I remind everyone here of the fantastic QA job on awakening? 

If they get lower than expected reviews/sales and even lot's of negative backlash from all of you folks who are buying the game,well the result will speak for themselves.

Modifié par spernus, 27 février 2011 - 05:40 .

[Lennonkun]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Me too - then again, maybe he's using the royal "We" due to his apparently high opinion of himself as a PC gamer. *snort*

Well I am one of the proud PC gamer master race...

[RohanD]

Please stop the platform wars, I stated already, I am both a console gamer and PC gamer. There are great games across all platforms. If you want to have platform wars, just start a new thread about it.