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[marshalleck]

Nighteye2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
And while we're waiting for sales numbers, we could look at polls surveying the resident forum community regarding the demo. And what do they show? Strong support and/or enthusiasm for Dragon Age 2. 

http://social.biowar...83/polls/15748/ - weak poll, only 124 votes
http://social.biowar...39/polls/15707/ - another weak one, 58 votes
http://social.biowar...69/polls/15661/ - this is more like it, 531 votes
http://social.biowar...69/polls/15656/ - this one shows more balanced response, 238 votes
http://social.biowar...89/polls/15635/ - another overwhelmingly positive response I'd say, 1237 votes
http://social.biowar...62/polls/15630/ - poor options on this one, but still positive, low response. 85 votes

And that's up to the first 130 polls posted recently over the last 3 days. There are probably more that I either missed or were named poorly and resulted in my skipping them over. 

All the standard caveats apply regarding sample size and whatnot, but I've no real reason to believe that the sentiment of poll respondents is not representative of the larger body of gamers in general. Mass Effect 2 received, and still receives a thrashing on these forums for being "sold out" but it received a broadly positive critical response, and that was reflected in polls prior to release, just after release, and up to now depending on what opinion the poll is surveying and how the questions and options are worded. 

The only thing those polls indicate is that people expect there'll still be enough good things left to want to buy DA2 - in spite of everything they don't like about it.

Individual features tell a different story:
http://social.biowar...477/polls/7972/ - only 17% likes the dialogue wheel, 62% prefers full-text and the rest doesn't care. (124 votes)

I expect a poll about the (lack of a tactical) camera would give similar result, with a majority disliking the lack of a tactical camera.

But in spite of disliking these 'features' of DA2, many of them will still buy it on day 1 - because they have faith in Bioware.

The post I was responding to was not about minutiae, it was about the game's success or failure in general, specifically the opinion of a "silent majority." I said as much when I stated that the general response to the game seems to be positive, even though individual features may be poorly received. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 février 2011 - 12:06 .

[AkiKishi]

Nighteye2 wrote...

The only thing those polls indicate is that people expect there'll still be enough good things left to want to buy DA2 - in spite of everything they don't like about it.

Individual features tell a different story:
http://social.biowar...477/polls/7972/ - only 17% likes the dialogue wheel, 62% prefers full-text and the rest doesn't care. (124 votes)

I expect a poll about the (lack of a tactical) camera would give similar result, with a majority disliking the lack of a tactical camera.

But in spite of disliking these 'features' of DA2, many of them will still buy it on day 1 - because they have faith in Bioware.

My dislike is lots of little things rather than any one thing in isolation. The wheel being top of the list.
I'm going to rent DA2 I can do everything in a week judging from what the game is, and then buy it once it hits bargain bin. Judging by over orderdering maybe that will take 2 weeks to a month.

Renting also removes any temptation to fall into EA's day 1 DLC trap.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 26 février 2011 - 12:05 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

It might be the hour, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how you're using it that phrase.

That said, swooning is good.

Edit: A website said it means 'all things considered.' I get it now. Strange, it's an American idiom, but I've never heard it previously.

Is it regional?

Not that I'm aware of. I haven't picked up too many of my region's idioms. I've always considered it to be as much in common usage as "all things considered," but I also pronounce the first syllable of "orange" as "are." I'm made fun of on a semi-regular basis for the things I say, but "on balance" has never made the cut.

[RohanD]

marshalleck wrote...

 Interesting post, and some good insights, but I think you're missing the point. It's not Dragon Age that Bioware are attempting to use as a vehicle to penetrate the "mainstream." That dubious honor belongs to The Old Republic, and it's the 10 million+ WoW crowd they're trying to cash in on. Personally I think Bioware are doomed. I just want DA2 to be fun, and see Mass Effect concluded. After that I have very low expectations for the studio. I think they're going to wind up like Mythic--a gutted shell acting as skeleton crew for the maintenance of just another "all eggs in one basket" failed MMORPG. 

Well, I don't think they would want to put all their eggs in one basket. That would be beyond stupid. Anyone truly thinking they can topple WoW now is kidding themselves. To be honest, it will only be done by Blizzard themselves. They're kind of like the Facebook of MMOs now, very hard to get them from that position when they have a complete strangle hold on people's lives. 

I've seen TOR, and hmm, well I don't like MMOs, but seriously it doesn't look good to me at all. But then I am not seeing it with bloodshot MMO eyes. 

I do not think they are doomed. I think DA2 will be a sucessful game, it will sell well, but after that...I am not sure. I truly, really truly hope they go back to the DA:O formula at least a bit more for DA3, but that's probably impossible now. 

[LoneStalker]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lennonkun wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
No, but Mac users are more affluent and better educated than PC users.

Ok I'm all for trolling but this actually irritated me. Yes I mad.

Demographics fills me with rage.

Statistics is the best form of deception in human history since they are based on facts. But obviously you're aware of it, aren't you?

As for those people on other forums, they're not very different from the ones here, except being in the opposite side of the scale...

[upsettingshorts]

Why should I - or anyone else really - care what other people think about the demo when I've played it myself, and can draw my own conclusions?

[Nighteye2]

marshalleck wrote...
The post I was responding to was not about minutae, it was about the game's success or failure in general. I said as much when I stated that the general response to the game seems to be positive, even though individual features may be poorly received. 

Yes, but the phrasing is misleading. "Strong support and/or enthusiasm for Dragon Age 2." implies that people like everything about it. That's very different from "still want to buy it despite reservations" - or something similar.

[rob_k]

By the way, how does the top sellers list work on Steam? It's weekly, no?

Sales are going strong it seems. It's the 3rd one down on the top sellers list.

(I'd say if the viewpoint is largely negative, that should have impacted sales there? I should state I'm in the UK, so can't see the sales on the US site.)

Modifié par rob_k, 26 février 2011 - 12:08 .

[Rixxencaxx]

you will find other "minorities" who dislike the demo on youtube and gametrailers video comments.....

[Roseking]

Lennonkun wrote...

golak wrote...

Bioware should never release eny demo in the future there is to many BG2 fanfreaks on forums.

Let me get this straight...Biowares old fans are somehow "freaks" for wanting a true spiritual successor to the greatest RPG of all time (besides Planescape: Torment). Did I get that right?

Yes spiritual successor. What they want is a carbon copy. Wasn't in BG? It is crap. Wasn't in "good" RPGs? It is crap. The only thing BioWare could do to please them is make a BG3 exactly how they made BG2, same combat system (2nd D&D rule set), same graphics , mostly text dialouge. The problem? They would complain it is not up to today's standards. 

[RohanD]

Aldandil wrote...

I can name plenty of FPSs. 

No, don't cherry pick my question. I said specifically

FPS/RPG Space Opera hybrids

And now that DA2 is predominantly a console game it is competing against every single party based RPG on the consoles, of which there are many. 

[Alex109222]

So RPG codex gives valid criticism and you all dismiss it as crap and trolling? Let me put it nicely, you are suckling at Biowares teet, and now that you are firmly grasped on there they can do whatever the hell they want, just like how they fart out waifu DLCs and you people buy it. Whatever they do, you will eat it all up like a kit-kat, Remove more RPG elements? YAY BIOWARE YOU SO AWSUM THEY SUCKED ANYWAY!!!! look at this,



Bioware doesn't fix, bioware removes.
****ty inventory? Remove!
****ty "tactical' view? Remove!
****ty gameplay in all of our games? Remove gameplay!
From RPG codex, and from what I have seen it is true






Can you get even more repetetive?

All the guy playing it does is spamming 3 fire spells, in exactly the same order, the very same fashion.

And he wins!

And those spell-casting animations..
True aswell. Yet you eat it all up.







And who can forget:
DARK & GRITTY


BEST GAME EVER 11/10
OH GOD GOD OH I FEEL I JUST **** MYSELF

****. Turd. Crap. More than I have predicted. While DAO was okay this game is not.









Look at my sig.

Modifié par Alex109222, 26 février 2011 - 12:13 .

[Wyndham711]

Just thinking how positive a buzz Witcher 2, Skyrim, Deus Ex 3, and Mass Effect 3 are all surrounded by, it is indeed very noticeable that DA2 is by and large getting proportionately huge amounts of hate - and not just recently in relation to the demo.

[RohanD]

Roseking wrote...

Lennonkun wrote...

golak wrote...

Bioware should never release eny demo in the future there is to many BG2 fanfreaks on forums.

Let me get this straight...Biowares old fans are somehow "freaks" for wanting a true spiritual successor to the greatest RPG of all time (besides Planescape: Torment). Did I get that right?

Yes spiritual successor. What they want is a carbon copy. Wasn't in BG? It is crap. Wasn't in "good" RPGs? It is crap. The only thing BioWare could do to please them is make a BG3 exactly how they made BG2, same combat system (2nd D&D rule set), same graphics , mostly text dialouge. The problem? They would complain it is not up to today's standards. 

This is not a good response.

We supported and liked DA:O. That's why we are here saying that it was going in the right direction and DA2 is not. It was not a carbon copy of BG. It had many, many differences from it. I liked those differences and while I felt the game needed refining, I didn't think it needed to change so drastically.

[Alex109222]

 

[BloodRaith]

Wyndham711 wrote...

Just thinking how positive a buzz Witcher 2, Skyrim, Deus Ex 3, and Mass Effect 3 are all surrounded by, it is indeed very noticeable that DA2 is by and large getting proportionately huge amounts of hate - and not just recently in relation to the demo.

They'll get more negative buzz once we get closer to release, I can already hear the "BAAW" of the forums once ME3 begins to come around, EXACTLY the same as ME2... i haven't played Deus Ex 1 or 2 or Witcher (though it seems like I should) be theres always a lot of crying about changes or a lack thereof, whether its warranted or not.

[BloodRaith]

Alex109222 wrote...

 

Also, this.

[RohanD]

BloodRaith wrote...

Alex109222 wrote...

 

Also, this.

If you didn't get teh lulz from this then you just don't have a sense of humour, I'm sorry. 

[v_ware]

JohnEpler wrote...

I dream of a world where people don't generalize the opinions of themselves and the people who share their interests to 'everyone'.

I also tend to dream quite a bit of fighting ghosts in abandoned shopping malls, but that's neither here nor there.

What the hell you talkin bout man?

[finc.loki]

RohanD wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Interesting post, and some good insights, but I think you're missing the point. It's not Dragon Age that Bioware are attempting to use as a vehicle to penetrate the "mainstream." That dubious honor belongs to The Old Republic, and it's the 10 million+ WoW crowd they're trying to cash in on. Personally I think Bioware are doomed. I just want DA2 to be fun, and see Mass Effect concluded. After that I have very low expectations for the studio. I think they're going to wind up like Mythic--a gutted shell acting as skeleton crew for the maintenance of just another "all eggs in one basket" failed MMORPG. 

Well, I don't think they would want to put all their eggs in one basket. That would be beyond stupid. Anyone truly thinking they can topple WoW now is kidding themselves. To be honest, it will only be done by Blizzard themselves. They're kind of like the Facebook of MMOs now, very hard to get them from that position when they have a complete strangle hold on people's lives. 

I've seen TOR, and hmm, well I don't like MMOs, but seriously it doesn't look good to me at all. But then I am not seeing it with bloodshot MMO eyes. 

I do not think they are doomed. I think DA2 will be a sucessful game, it will sell well, but after that...I am not sure. I truly, really truly hope they go back to the DA:O formula at least a bit more for DA3, but that's probably impossible now. 

First addressing marshalleck:

Bioware doomed?
Yeah, right.
They have many studios working on different projects.
ME, DA, SWTOR.
They have proven themselves capable of making games that MOST people like and not just some hardcore fanboi's and girls.
There would be a a crap-load of other studios failing before Bioware ever will, so stop with the doom and gloom cause YOU and a MINORITY don't like some of the latest games they've made. It seems a little silly to jump to extremes. Especially since the latest games Bioware has made has sold more copies than their previous games.

Now RohanD:

I agree that SWTOR won't topple WOW, but it's not about that, it's about taking a piece and also become a "big" MMO .
Time will tell.
You might not like SWTOR, but many do. I for one never even play MMO's but SWTOR I WILL play, cause it does appeal to me.
I think this is also something they have going for them, some WOW players will inevitably get SWTOR so will other MMO players.
BUT, SWTOR is that new MMO that will actually appeal to people like me that does NOT play MMO.
Hence they can tap into a market that other MMO's has not been able to before. People talk as though MMO has a fixed amount of players only going back and forth between existing MMO's. Who knows, that might have been the case, but this is the first time SP players like me can get a huge game online and we see the value in what it offers with full story and voice and solo ability, and then we might want to dip our toe's in the MMO aspect as well.

For people like me SWTOR will be the "new" WOW, if you get what I mean.

[BloodRaith]

RohanD wrote...

BloodRaith wrote...

Alex109222 wrote...

Also, this.

If you didn't get teh lulz from this then you just don't have a sense of humour, I'm sorry. 

Oh, but I did. Mostly because its so true.

[rob_k]

Kordaris wrote...

rob_k wrote...
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(I'd say if the viewpoint is largely negative, that should have impacted sales there? I should state I'm in the UK, so can't see the sales on the US site.)

The sales will be good-they will ride on previous success-we shall see how DA3 will look like. You fool me once...
 

Fair enough, I won't argue that, but my point does stand due to the game's place on the sales chart. Yours stands as well, as there's no evidence to say your point doesn't. So, we'll see how it pans out. (I'm not sure what the sales are like on other sites however)

And as for Alex posting the image I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I love you. I really do, like I love the codex.

I guess that makes me not have a sense of humor though (unless the irony is in the Final Fantasy XIII comparison). Regardless, if I don't have a sense of humor, I don't have one.

Modifié par rob_k, 26 février 2011 - 12:33 .