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[SLPr0]

wulfsturm wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

Yeah cause Id Software needs a publisher. Seriously, its being developed in conjunction between Id and Bethesda. Its an epic meeting of the minds between the original masters of the FPS game engine, and one of the better RPG developers of the industry, frankly I think epic is not even close to a grand enough word to explain my feelings on that mix up.

And if Skyrim isn't using Gamebyro I'll eat my hat, they've been hugging that engine for years now. If they've switched up to something that isn't actually completely incapable of running in a stable fashion under Vista and Win 7 I'll be happily surprised.

Rage is not being co-developed, id is developing while Bathesda is publishing. (Just like BioWare is developing DA2 while EA is publishing.)

And from Wikipedia:

Skyrim utilizes the Creation Engine, a game engine developed internally by Bethesda.[11]

You better start eating your hat.

I'll eat my hat when their proprietary engine doesn't end up buggier
than the Gamebyro port they've been slamming content into since
Morrowind. Proprietary engines are a toss up, you can't conclude whether its going to be better or not just cause they're developing it internally.

BioWare's done really well under U3, other developers are turning out some really solid games under Unity. Bethesda has done pretty well under Gamebyro but theres no denying its a buggy, script-crutched mess at this point. So I'll hold on to my hat til I see this Creation Engine first hand.

Crashing my way through Morrowind, TESIV, Fallout 3 and, (to some degree less) FONV has been an unexpected additional adventure to all these epic RPG's.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Passionaticus wrote...

So, there were inter-party banters and romances before BG2? Or fully-voiced cinematic RPG game before KOTOR?

Wait, what? Inter-party romance? You mean the about 4 or 5 short conversations between Haer'Dali and Aerie? Irrelevant nonsense like that is what you enjoy in a RPG?

If you call that ''revolutionary'', you have a very strange definition of the word.

Very little about BG2 was revolutionary, the only thing it had going for it was the fame of BG1 and the fact that is was longer than usual.

[marshalleck]

Damnit, I was hoping for some hat-eating in this thread.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

marshalleck wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

I stopped reading after ''Bethesda''.

That's nothing new for the typical BSN crowd. 

The WHAT crowd? I'm sorry, my dictionary doesn't seem to have that abbreviation, try speaking in normal English.

[Drowsy0106]

I'm with The Dude on this one.

[Stardusk78]

BobSmith101 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I think Bioware already achieved that, and the hardcore fanboy response is utterly unsurprising in that it largely mirrors the response we saw from Fallout fanboys on NMA. Which is to say they were out of their minds with rage and contempt for "betraying" the game and "selling out."

Although I do think this response was a bit more muted in the case of FNV.

I disagree I think Bioware have thrown the baby out with the bathwater with DA2. The original mission statement was "back to our roots" EA take over and now the mission statement is "simplify and sell".Watched the Silverman interview made me want to throw up.  

Well NV is not new so much as FO3 in another part of the country. It was never marketed as FO4.
NV was also more like like FO in spirit the crazy returned.

Link to interview although I expect most people will have seen it.
http://dualshockers....fect-interview/

www.youtube.com/watch

[Nonoru]

Feel free to swap interesting characters for graphics anytime.



I also like to watch movies between two games .

[Passionaticus]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Passionaticus wrote...

So, there were inter-party banters and romances before BG2? Or fully-voiced cinematic RPG game before KOTOR?

Wait, what? Inter-party romance? You mean the about 4 or 5 short conversations between Haer'Dali and Aerie? Irrelevant nonsense like that is what you enjoy in a RPG?

If you call that ''revolutionary'', you have a very strange definition of the word.

Very little about BG2 was revolutionary, the only thing it had going for it was the fame of BG1 and the fact that is was longer than usual.

Yes, thats exactly what I enjoy in classic-style Bioware CRPG. Party-based game cant be immersive without such very well written "nonsense", explanations of decisions and consequenses of you, and your party characters.

BG2 plays like a very well written, illustrated fantasy book and thats the way I like Bioware games.

If I ever wanted flashy effects and solo-mode, I'd turn to Morrowind back when it came out. But I skipped it, as I skipped all the Diablo-clones that were popular back then. But now I have no choice, I'm forced to buy Skyrim as Bioware keeps re-telling of KOTOR with updated graphics and newer settings.

[Grey21]

I don't mind, since Morrowind I prefer Bethesda's RPGs anyway. Used to be the other way around but now Bioware games keep me busy until the next Elderscrolls comes out.



Storytelling and the plot might not be good at all but the world is full of detail and it is far more grand then Bioware games. Much better for exploration, questing and roleplaying.

[marshalleck]

BobSmith101 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I think Bioware already achieved that, and the hardcore fanboy response is utterly unsurprising in that it largely mirrors the response we saw from Fallout fanboys on NMA. Which is to say they were out of their minds with rage and contempt for "betraying" the game and "selling out."

Although I do think this response was a bit more muted in the case of FNV.

I disagree I think Bioware have thrown the baby out with the bathwater with DA2. The original mission statement was "back to our roots" EA take over and now the mission statement is "simplify and sell".Watched the Silverman interview made me want to throw up.  

Well NV is not new so much as FO3 in another part of the country. It was never marketed as FO4.
NV was also more like like FO in spirit the crazy returned.

Link to interview although I expect most people will have seen it.
http://dualshockers....fect-interview/

Sorry I missed this earlier. 

That guy is a marketing director. You don't get to be a director of marketing without being able to speak out of both sides of your mouth. I definitely would not take anything this guy says as gospel--it's all marketing speech. 

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about FO3 and FNV, but if you're saying that FNV was better than its direct predecessor, I'll agree to that point. Personally I thought it was brilliant, and it was how 2D Fallout games should have been brought into the modern era--minus the bugs and glitches of course, but those are just what you get with Obsidian. It's a fact of life with their games. Diamonds in the rough.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 février 2011 - 01:05 .

[marshalleck]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

I stopped reading after ''Bethesda''.

That's nothing new for the typical BSN crowd. 

The WHAT crowd? I'm sorry, my dictionary doesn't seem to have that abbreviation, try speaking in normal English.

The Bioware Social Network--you know, where we're having this conversation. 

[Zaldrak84]

 I'm an old timer, BG2 was a masterpiece but I still think that Bioware makes the best RPGs around, so I'm sticking with them.

And It's truly beyond my comprehension how people can like Bethesda games, playing Oblivion was absolute torture, Fallout was mediocre at best.

Modifié par Zaldrak84, 26 février 2011 - 01:04 .

[marshalleck]

Zaldrak84 wrote...

 I'm an old timer, BG2 was a masterpiece but I still think that Bioware makes the best RPGs around, so I'm sticking with them.

And It's truly beyond my comprehension how people can like Bethesda games, playing Oblivion was absolute torture, Fallout was mediocre at best.

Prior case in point.

[Sleek]

The truth is Boiware is not aiming to sell their games to 30 year olds its for consoles. Most console users are ages 8 to 15 years old. Pc gamers tend to be a little older , usually. This game is marketed to kids PERIOD

[JrayM16]

Sleek wrote...

The truth is Boiware is not aiming to sell their games to 30 year olds its for consoles. Most console users are ages 8 to 15 years old. Pc gamers tend to be a little older , usually. This game is marketed to kids PERIOD

Your logic is sound even without evidence or rational basis.
/sarcasm.

[Sierra Crysis]

Because we all know that games with the same formula can't sell at all... /sarcasm



Here's looking at you, Call of Duty.

[Potato Cat]

I want Bethesda and Bioware to work together to create the greatest game ever. With the world of Oblivion and Skyrim with Bioware's godlike writing, it will be unstoppable!!!!

[Anathemic]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Because we all know that games with the same formula can't sell at all... /sarcasm

Here's looking at you, Call of Duty.

So, when are you going to hit the next Prestige?

[HolyAvenger]

Neither The Witcher nor ES will have party banter...I'm out.

[errant_knight]

Passionaticus wrote...

... then I suppose even old-timers will switch to Bethesda, CD-Project, whatever. I mean if we cant have rich-detailed world, decent ruleset, convincing characters and deep plot like we used to in BG1-2 and KOTOR in newest Bio' titles, then at least we can get huge(albeit more barren, but who cares since there's no alternative) world and nice graphics in Skyrim, decent plot in Witcher 2.

In other words, if there's no game that can match BG2 in amount of content(i'm not even hoping for the same quality of it, just the amount will do) soon, Bioware is finished as a major developer, imho. Simply good games, like DAO and ME2 were, and DA2 could be(although I doubt it after the demo, but alright, I'll wait for final product) - are no longer enough. Its really not OK to sit around for years baking roughly same cakes, even if they're based on good-old recipe.

Totally new level of interaction is needed, like it was back then in 2000. Come on Bioware, we know you can do it!

Personally, I thought that the characters and story in DA:O were outstanding. I don't need 'next gen', whatever that means. All I really wanted in DA2 was two handers that swung slightly faster and and attack speed for s&s that started just slightly more quickly--that's slightly, but maintained the feeling of real combat. Everything else was dandy.

While I don't like what I'm seeing of DA2 at all, it's ridiculous to say thay they're finished as a major developer, they're just shifting markets. It's not for me, but I see no reason to think it won't be a financially successful move. There are people who love the art style, UI, dialogue wheel and combat as much as I really, really don't, and don't seem to mind the 'streamlining' one bit.

[88mphSlayer]

Passionaticus wrote...

... then I suppose even old-timers will switch to Bethesda, CD-Project, whatever. I mean if we cant have rich-detailed world, decent ruleset, convincing characters and deep plot like we used to in BG1-2 and KOTOR in newest Bio' titles, then at least we can get huge(albeit more barren, but who cares since there's no alternative) world and nice graphics in Skyrim, decent plot in Witcher 2.

In other words, if there's no game that can match BG2 in amount of content(i'm not even hoping for the same quality of it, just the amount will do) soon, Bioware is finished as a major developer, imho. Simply good games, like DAO and ME2 were, and DA2 could be(although I doubt it after the demo, but alright, I'll wait for final product) - are no longer enough. Its really not OK to sit around for years baking roughly same cakes, even if they're based on good-old recipe.

Totally new level of interaction is needed, like it was back then in 2000. Come on Bioware, we know you can do it!

nothing is stopping you from playing other games right now

trying to hold your enjoyment of a developer hostage is weird and childish

[Anathemic]

Elfman wrote...

I want Bethesda and Bioware to work together to create the greatest game ever. With the world of Oblivion and Skyrim with Bioware's godlike writing, it will be unstoppable!!!!

Keep BioWare off my Elder Scrolls lore, kthx

[Sierra Crysis]

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Because we all know that games with the same formula can't sell at all... /sarcasm

Here's looking at you, Call of Duty.

So, when are you going to hit the next Prestige?

Lol, what?

[HoonDing]

Anathemic wrote...

Keep BioWare off my Elder Scrolls lore, kthx

BioWare could make a "The Real Barenziah" game.

[Anathemic]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Because we all know that games with the same formula can't sell at all... /sarcasm

Here's looking at you, Call of Duty.

So, when are you going to hit the next Prestige?

Lol, what?

You're praising/supporting that games with same formula can sell AKA Call of Duty.

I countered in suggesting if you're going to hit the next Prestige, a major and repetitive gameplay component in the Call of Duty franchise.

Seriously, are you going to hold Call of Duty franchise as the ultimate marketing technique? AKA Screw innovation, people want guns, blood, and mutliplayer!