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[AlanC9]

Passionaticus wrote...

Yes, thats exactly what I enjoy in classic-style Bioware CRPG. Party-based game cant be immersive without such very well written "nonsense", explanations of decisions and consequenses of you, and your party characters.

But this element was in KotOR, and DAO, and DA2, wasn't it? And in ME as well, for that matter.

[darklordpocky-san]

hmmm



Dark Souls, for one



The Last Story, for the Wii, of all things

[Erani]

 BioWare makes the best RPGs. To me, they are #1 of all time.  I'm sure that whatever they make after DA2 and ME3 will be awesome ( I iz hoping for Jade Empire sequel <3) but let's say that for some very unlikely reason they start making terrible games in the future <_<, Bethesda is never going to get another $ from me again, nor wil sexist crap like TW. Just thinking about Oblivion .... that game pisses me off so bad, I swear I could strangle a kitten. 

[Jim_uk]

I really wish people would stop judging Gamebryo on Bethesdas mutilated version of it, do some research and you'll find it is a very capable engine. Bethesda "Heavily modified" it, their words not mine. I'm worried that they are using an engine they created themselves, after all if they can't modify an existing engine without screwing it up what chance they have creating one of their own?

As for the OP, forget it, EA run the show now and we all know what happens when they take over anywhere.

Modifié par Jim_uk, 26 février 2011 - 08:45 .

[CitizenThom]

Daydreamer_91 wrote...

I think the problem is that they have shifted their marketing goals to stupid teenage boys drooling over half naked women
I mean Mass Effect had sex scenes too but come on that story meant something although ME2 was still wonderful but one can clearly see the direction they've chosen... I myself hated the ME 2 battles
and the stupid thing they did to the planet explorations .... seems like majority of gamers these days are stupid kids who just want to blow things up

The  long  story  response...

I don't think the general aim to provide aesthetic pleasure is a dumb one at all.

*openly taunts those with modernist and deconstructivist sensibilities*

Despite what low-craft creative artists might like to pretend, high craft art is no less wonderful than low craft art. Likewise, when you know that the audience enjoys high-craft art, there is nothing sophisticated or brilliant about deliberately trying to offend them.

Which is to say there's nothing wrong with giving people what they want.

Certianly, if you can give a wider variety of audiences what they want, it's better than giving one audience what they want. Even better is when an artist produces something that the audience wants, before the audience even realised they wanted it. Those are the truely brilliant artists, the ones who manage to do that.

The  short story response...

Long story short, I don't think it's 'dumb' for their to be beautiful characters, nor for their to be charmingly unattractive ones for that matter. But, I'm always in support of a wider variety of things to look at at and experience, and, I'm always in support of the experimentation that reveals to us things that we truely enjoy that we never knew we would until we'd seen or experienced them.

I'm not sure if that means I agree with you, disagree with you, or both.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 26 février 2011 - 09:02 .

[Anathemic]

Erani wrote...

 BioWare makes the best RPGs. To me, they are #1 of all time.  I'm sure that whatever they make after DA2 and ME3 will be awesome ( I iz hoping for Jade Empire sequel <3) but let's say that for some very unlikely reason they start making terrible games in the future <_<, Bethesda is never going to get another $ from me again, nor wil sexist crap like TW. Just thinking about Oblivion .... that game pisses me off so bad, I swear I could strangle a kitten. 

Because The Witcher's whole point of the game is show off nude women amirite?

[Typical Forum Sycophant]

Rimfrost wrote...

I take quality over quantity. I'm fine with the length of even a me2 game

the problem is JUST THAT...what if the quality isn't there? I'm worried about the reports I'm seeing on all the recycled area's and from the video's i've seen of the empty Kirkwall environs etc.

[Logen9]

Id and Bethesda are owned by the same company, Zenimax media.

[RavenStorm]

demin8891 wrote...

Just to play devil's advocate here, a huge portion of BioWare's games involve the character joining an elite order and bopping around the world/galaxy gathering something. The template of most of their games is pretty stock, so OP might have a point if you're really looking to turn an ant hill into a mountain. What OP doesn't seem to get is that BioWare's execution in their ideas is what makes them a cut above Bethesda and CD Projekt Red, both of which I'm a big fan of.

also, judging DA 2 as a whole from a 15 minute demo meant to show off the new combat system and almost nothing else is a stupid, stupid thing to do, OP.

 I agree If Bioware truely wants to stay relevant. Or make progress as Interactive story tellers. They need to break out of the Threat arises. Go gather Companions. Then Deal with threat mold.

[ALVIG824]

Rimfrost wrote...

I take quality over quantity. I'm fine with the length of even a me2 game

i live by the statement in bold, in regards to purchasing videogames anyway..

[Sierra Crysis]

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Because we all know that games with the same formula can't sell at all... /sarcasm

Here's looking at you, Call of Duty.

So, when are you going to hit the next Prestige?

Lol, what?

You're praising/supporting that games with same formula can sell AKA Call of Duty.

I countered in suggesting if you're going to hit the next Prestige, a major and repetitive gameplay component in the Call of Duty franchise.

Seriously, are you going to hold Call of Duty franchise as the ultimate marketing technique? AKA Screw innovation, people want guns, blood, and mutliplayer!

Woah, woah woah.... I wasn't praising/supporting Call of Duty at all, as it's not my cup of tea. I was just saying that games with a similar formula can still sell, as in it's not the end of Bioware that DA2 isn't the most innovative thing on the market. Also, the reason why Bioware's under so much fire here is that they change ingrediants in that formula, so I can't rightly put them in the exact same boat here that I can COD.

[Anathemic]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Because we all know that games with the same formula can't sell at all... /sarcasm

Here's looking at you, Call of Duty.

So, when are you going to hit the next Prestige?

Lol, what?

You're praising/supporting that games with same formula can sell AKA Call of Duty.

I countered in suggesting if you're going to hit the next Prestige, a major and repetitive gameplay component in the Call of Duty franchise.

Seriously, are you going to hold Call of Duty franchise as the ultimate marketing technique? AKA Screw innovation, people want guns, blood, and mutliplayer!

Woah, woah woah.... I wasn't praising/supporting Call of Duty at all, as it's not my cup of tea. I was just saying that games with a similar formula can still sell, as in it's not the end of Bioware that DA2 isn't the most innovative thing on the market. Also, the reason why Bioware's under so much fire here is that they change ingrediants in that formula, so I can't rightly put them in the exact same boat here that I can COD.

Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

[RavenStorm]

Anathemic wrote...
Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

 Clearly it would be the one of the best examples. Seeing as it continues to be one of the highet selling entertainment items ever.

[Sierra Crysis]

Anathemic wrote...

Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

Because, isn't Black Ops like the best selling game of all time...? Even if I don't care for it, I can't deny that it appeals to alot of people.
My point is that, using the same scheme isn't going to break Bioware's back if the game sells. That's all. Why am I getting the vibe of hostility here, again..?

[AtreiyaN7]

From one old-timer to another: speak for yourself, not me. I enjoy Bethesda games, and I enjoy BioWare games. They're companies with different goals. If I want a good story and characters that I care about, I'll stick with BW. If I want an open world to explore, I'll go with Bethesda - but the tradeoff for having more freedom is their tendency to have weak storylines and characters that I usually don't care for very much.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 26 février 2011 - 09:41 .

[Anathemic]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

Because, isn't Black Ops like the best selling game of all time...? Even if I don't care for it, I can't deny that it appeals to alot of people.
My point is that, using the same scheme isn't going to break Bioware's back if the game sells. That's all. Why am I getting the vibe of hostility here, again..?

If you want best-selling games check out Blizzard products, not Call of Duty.

You are getting hostility (well I would say opposing viewpoint) from me because you suggested/believe that Call of Duty has the best market technique in the game industry (as you stated by the best selling game of all time).

I'd reply with no it isn't. Blizzard games sell more the CoD does and they don't stick with the motto "the formula is always right!"

[Anathemic]

RavenStorm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

 Clearly it would be the one of the best examples. Seeing as it continues to be one of the highet selling entertainment items ever.

StarCraft 2
World of Warcraft

[Sierra Crysis]

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

Because, isn't Black Ops like the best selling game of all time...? Even if I don't care for it, I can't deny that it appeals to alot of people.
My point is that, using the same scheme isn't going to break Bioware's back if the game sells. That's all. Why am I getting the vibe of hostility here, again..?

If you want best-selling games check out Blizzard products, not Call of Duty.

You are getting hostility (well I would say opposing viewpoint) from me because you suggested/believe that Call of Duty has the best market technique in the game industry (as you stated by the best selling game of all time).

I'd reply with no it isn't. Blizzard games sell more the CoD does and they don't stick with the motto "the formula is always right!"

Don't they? Isn't SC2 rather similar to SC?

I didn't say and don't believe they have the best marketing, how're you recieving that message from my words..? It's an example. Don't read too much into it. I said... They sell, and sell well. Are you going to argue that..? Even if I had said they had the best marketing, I don't see how that warrants hostility just because you don't approve of DA2 and their changes/lack of changes compared to DA:O, or how underwhelming it is compared to the "Other" game in your opinion.

[Erani]

Anathemic wrote...

Erani wrote...

 BioWare makes the best RPGs. To me, they are #1 of all time.  I'm sure that whatever they make after DA2 and ME3 will be awesome ( I iz hoping for Jade Empire sequel <3) but let's say that for some very unlikely reason they start making terrible games in the future <_<, Bethesda is never going to get another $ from me again, nor wil sexist crap like TW. Just thinking about Oblivion .... that game pisses me off so bad, I swear I could strangle a kitten. 

Because The Witcher's whole point of the game is show off nude women amirite?

Well, if I deem a game to be a sexist piece of trash and don't want to buy its sequels, that is my right. Even IF the game were completely awesome in every other regard, I wouldn't buy it. Please don't even get me started on everything else, besides the sexist message, I disliked about that game. 

[Captain Iglo]

Anathemic wrote...
If you want best-selling games check out Blizzard products, not Call of Duty.

You are getting hostility (well I would say opposing viewpoint) from me because you suggested/believe that Call of Duty has the best market technique in the game industry (as you stated by the best selling game of all time).

I'd reply with no it isn't. Blizzard games sell more the CoD does and they don't stick with the motto "the formula is always right!"

I personaly prefer Blizzard games over Call of Duty...but what you saying is just simply not possible.
Not even with korean sales does the Staracraft 2 slaes even scratch the COD sales. Stracraft 2 made about 450 million (last number I saw) ...while MW2 made over 1 Billion.
Call of Duty is best selling Franchise that exists...no Sims and no GTa and Blizzard games can battle that.
Dont forget that Starcraft 2 is PC only...it may be as good selling as COD if it would be console title too.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 26 février 2011 - 09:53 .

[Anathemic]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

Because, isn't Black Ops like the best selling game of all time...? Even if I don't care for it, I can't deny that it appeals to alot of people.
My point is that, using the same scheme isn't going to break Bioware's back if the game sells. That's all. Why am I getting the vibe of hostility here, again..?

If you want best-selling games check out Blizzard products, not Call of Duty.

You are getting hostility (well I would say opposing viewpoint) from me because you suggested/believe that Call of Duty has the best market technique in the game industry (as you stated by the best selling game of all time).

I'd reply with no it isn't. Blizzard games sell more the CoD does and they don't stick with the motto "the formula is always right!"

Don't they? Isn't SC2 rather similar to SC?

I didn't say and don't believe they have the best marketing, how're you recieving that message from my words..? It's an example. Don't read too much into it. I said... They sell, and sell well. Are you going to argue that..? Even if I had said they had the best marketing, I don't see how that warrants hostility just because you don't approve of DA2 and their changes/lack of changes compared to DA:O, or how underwhelming it is compared to the "Other" game in your opinion.

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

[RavenStorm]

Anathemic wrote...

RavenStorm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

 Clearly it would be the one of the best examples. Seeing as it continues to be one of the highet selling entertainment items ever.

StarCraft 2
World of Warcraft

 Consider some old news will you?

pc.ign.com/articles/113/1139549p1.html  and venturebeat.com/2010/11/18/call-of-duty-black-ops-sells-650m-in-five-days/

[Anathemic]

Erani wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Erani wrote...

 BioWare makes the best RPGs. To me, they are #1 of all time.  I'm sure that whatever they make after DA2 and ME3 will be awesome ( I iz hoping for Jade Empire sequel <3) but let's say that for some very unlikely reason they start making terrible games in the future <_<, Bethesda is never going to get another $ from me again, nor wil sexist crap like TW. Just thinking about Oblivion .... that game pisses me off so bad, I swear I could strangle a kitten. 

Because The Witcher's whole point of the game is show off nude women amirite?

Well, if I deem a game to be a sexist piece of trash and don't want to buy its sequels, that is my right. Even IF the game were completely awesome in every other regard, I wouldn't buy it. Please don't even get me started on everything else, besides the sexist message, I disliked about that game. 

Sure that is your right.

But I still would like to prove you wrong that you have a misguided viewpoint on the game in general.

[Sierra Crysis]

Anathemic wrote...

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

Well, they may be different to you. And that's not what I meant. I was never giving my approval, I was simply saying that it sells, which is why I never understood your responses. The OP said that Bioware was going to be done after this game, my sarcastic remark was against that.

[Anathemic]

RavenStorm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

RavenStorm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
Then why in the right mind would you suggest CoD as the example of continuing a formula?

 Clearly it would be the one of the best examples. Seeing as it continues to be one of the highet selling entertainment items ever.

StarCraft 2
World of Warcraft

 Consider some old news will you?

pc.ign.com/articles/113/1139549p1.html  and venturebeat.com/2010/11/18/call-of-duty-black-ops-sells-650m-in-five-days/

I see my numbers were wrong, but even so my point stands that Innovation should not be below the classic "stick to the formula"