131 réponses à ce sujet

[Aginair]

Please ... we all know what happened to Bioware. EA has their nuts in a vise if they haven't castrated them ! If and until Bioware breaks from EA and becomes independent again the same type of game will continue to be released.

[SnakeHelah]

Passionaticus wrote...

... then I suppose even old-timers will switch to Bethesda, CD-Project, whatever. I mean if we cant have rich-detailed world, decent ruleset, convincing characters and deep plot like we used to in BG1-2 and KOTOR in newest Bio' titles, then at least we can get huge(albeit more barren, but who cares since there's no alternative) world and nice graphics in Skyrim, decent plot in Witcher 2.

In other words, if there's no game that can match BG2 in amount of content(i'm not even hoping for the same quality of it, just the amount will do) soon, Bioware is finished as a major developer, imho. Simply good games, like DAO and ME2 were, and DA2 could be(although I doubt it after the demo, but alright, I'll wait for final product) - are no longer enough. Its really not OK to sit around for years baking roughly same cakes, even if they're based on good-old recipe.

Totally new level of interaction is needed, like it was back then in 2000. Come on Bioware, we know you can do it!

Lolz.

[Nonoru]

Second post was enough.

[Anathemic]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

Well, they may be different to you. And that's not what I meant. I was never giving my approval, I was simply saying that it sells, which is why I never understood your responses. The OP said that Bioware was going to be done after this game, my sarcastic remark was against that.

90% of StarCraft 2 playerbase population would like to prove you wrong in your assumption.

It is my fault for not reading the OP, I've just browsed the thread and found your comment and from there I responded (due to the fact I didn't like how it was worded/toned)

[Sierra Crysis]

Anathemic wrote...

I see my numbers were wrong, but even so my point stands that Innovation should not be below the classic "stick to the formula"

I agree... And if you look at most of the complaints on here of DA2 you'll see that they say... "It's not DA:O enough." Is that not change..?

Edit:

I don't play the game so I can't say.. all I've seen is comparing screenshots which from afar looks very similar. You may be right, I won't argue, especially because it's some beaten path from the point I was trying to make.

Modifié par Sierra Crysis, 26 février 2011 - 10:01 .

[JrayM16]

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

Well, they may be different to you. And that's not what I meant. I was never giving my approval, I was simply saying that it sells, which is why I never understood your responses. The OP said that Bioware was going to be done after this game, my sarcastic remark was against that.

90% of StarCraft 2 playerbase population would like to prove you wrong in your assumption.

It is my fault for not reading the OP, I've just browsed the thread and found your comment and from there I responded (due to the fact I didn't like how it was worded/toned)

Yes, because 90% of Starcraft 2's playerbase is going to up and leave.  Based on the English forums for a Worldwide game where plenty of people don't post on forums.

[Anathemic]

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

Well, they may be different to you. And that's not what I meant. I was never giving my approval, I was simply saying that it sells, which is why I never understood your responses. The OP said that Bioware was going to be done after this game, my sarcastic remark was against that.

90% of StarCraft 2 playerbase population would like to prove you wrong in your assumption.

It is my fault for not reading the OP, I've just browsed the thread and found your comment and from there I responded (due to the fact I didn't like how it was worded/toned)

Yes, because 90% of Starcraft 2's playerbase is going to up and leave.  Based on the English forums for a Worldwide game where plenty of people don't post on forums.

Have you been on the StarCraft 2 forums? Pretty active to me

[XBenotto18]

Anathemic VS Everyone

Whos going to win?


Question to Anathemic, are you even going to play DAII? Because every post is negative towards DAII (other threads). Thats fine because its your opinion but just wondering why you constantly go on the forums if you hate it?

Modifié par XBenotto18, 26 février 2011 - 10:08 .

[Iyacathor]

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

Well, they may be different to you. And that's not what I meant. I was never giving my approval, I was simply saying that it sells, which is why I never understood your responses. The OP said that Bioware was going to be done after this game, my sarcastic remark was against that.

90% of StarCraft 2 playerbase population would like to prove you wrong in your assumption.

It is my fault for not reading the OP, I've just browsed the thread and found your comment and from there I responded (due to the fact I didn't like how it was worded/toned)

Yes, because 90% of Starcraft 2's playerbase is going to up and leave.  Based on the English forums for a Worldwide game where plenty of people don't post on forums.

Have you been on the StarCraft 2 forums? Pretty active to me

There are millions of Starcraft 2 players. Less than a tenth of a percent post on forums.

[JrayM16]

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

Well, they may be different to you. And that's not what I meant. I was never giving my approval, I was simply saying that it sells, which is why I never understood your responses. The OP said that Bioware was going to be done after this game, my sarcastic remark was against that.

90% of StarCraft 2 playerbase population would like to prove you wrong in your assumption.

It is my fault for not reading the OP, I've just browsed the thread and found your comment and from there I responded (due to the fact I didn't like how it was worded/toned)

Yes, because 90% of Starcraft 2's playerbase is going to up and leave.  Based on the English forums for a Worldwide game where plenty of people don't post on forums.

Have you been on the StarCraft 2 forums? Pretty active to me

I have actually.  I don't post often but I do lurk a lot.  There's a lot of complaining and criticism.  However, as I have learned over the years, forums are not inidicative of the overall sentiment.  The boards are active with those who want to be on forums, yes.  But the reason there's a lot of criticism is because those who want to criticize have more motivation to post than those who don't.

[Erani]

Anathemic wrote...

Erani wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Erani wrote...

 BioWare makes the best RPGs. To me, they are #1 of all time.  I'm sure that whatever they make after DA2 and ME3 will be awesome ( I iz hoping for Jade Empire sequel <3) but let's say that for some very unlikely reason they start making terrible games in the future <_<, Bethesda is never going to get another $ from me again, nor wil sexist crap like TW. Just thinking about Oblivion .... that game pisses me off so bad, I swear I could strangle a kitten. 

Because The Witcher's whole point of the game is show off nude women amirite?

Well, if I deem a game to be a sexist piece of trash and don't want to buy its sequels, that is my right. Even IF the game were completely awesome in every other regard, I wouldn't buy it. Please don't even get me started on everything else, besides the sexist message, I disliked about that game. 

Sure that is your right.

But I still would like to prove you wrong that you have a misguided viewpoint on the game in general.

LOL, you are welcome to try!  Oblivion and TW are in my Top 5 Most Hated Games Ever list though...

[Anathemic]

XBenotto18 wrote...

Anathemic VS Everyone

Whos going to win?


Question to Anathemic, are you even going to play DAII? Because every post is negative towards DAII. Thats fine because its your opinion but just wondering why you constantly go on the forums if you hate it.

Probably not, unless some miracle happens that actaully in my eyes I like.

I'm sticking around the forums for a few weeks after DA2 release to check out reviews. I 'might' buy it when an Ultimate edition comes out (DLCs are to happen) and it deems worthy on spending $50-$60 to me.

[Anathemic]

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No the two are completely different.

No I'm not arguing that CoD doesn't sell well, I'm arguing that they do not have the best marketing technique. 

What I got from your post is that you believe sticking to the formula > Innovation in terms of pure sales. Blizzard proves you wrong.

Well, they may be different to you. And that's not what I meant. I was never giving my approval, I was simply saying that it sells, which is why I never understood your responses. The OP said that Bioware was going to be done after this game, my sarcastic remark was against that.

90% of StarCraft 2 playerbase population would like to prove you wrong in your assumption.

It is my fault for not reading the OP, I've just browsed the thread and found your comment and from there I responded (due to the fact I didn't like how it was worded/toned)

Yes, because 90% of Starcraft 2's playerbase is going to up and leave.  Based on the English forums for a Worldwide game where plenty of people don't post on forums.

Have you been on the StarCraft 2 forums? Pretty active to me

I have actually.  I don't post often but I do lurk a lot.  There's a lot of complaining and criticism.  However, as I have learned over the years, forums are not inidicative of the overall sentiment.  The boards are active with those who want to be on forums, yes.  But the reason there's a lot of criticism is because those who want to criticize have more motivation to post than those who don't.

Of 'course. However forums to provide a general (and at the same time murky) viewpoint of the playerbase in general. TeamLiquid forums are held up as the pinnacle of competive SC2 gaming though.

[Anathemic]

Erani wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Erani wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Erani wrote...

 BioWare makes the best RPGs. To me, they are #1 of all time.  I'm sure that whatever they make after DA2 and ME3 will be awesome ( I iz hoping for Jade Empire sequel <3) but let's say that for some very unlikely reason they start making terrible games in the future <_<, Bethesda is never going to get another $ from me again, nor wil sexist crap like TW. Just thinking about Oblivion .... that game pisses me off so bad, I swear I could strangle a kitten. 

Because The Witcher's whole point of the game is show off nude women amirite?

Well, if I deem a game to be a sexist piece of trash and don't want to buy its sequels, that is my right. Even IF the game were completely awesome in every other regard, I wouldn't buy it. Please don't even get me started on everything else, besides the sexist message, I disliked about that game. 

Sure that is your right.

But I still would like to prove you wrong that you have a misguided viewpoint on the game in general.

LOL, you are welcome to try!  Oblivion and TW are in my Top 5 Most Hated Games Ever list though...

I'd invite you to read 2 currently translated books by Andrzej Sapkowski, whose works are what brought the TW into existance.

The Last Wish
Blood of Elves

Excellent reads, garuntee to change your view of sexist universe to an in-depth one.

[JrayM16]

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

I have actually.  I don't post often but I do lurk a lot.  There's a lot of complaining and criticism.  However, as I have learned over the years, forums are not inidicative of the overall sentiment.  The boards are active with those who want to be on forums, yes.  But the reason there's a lot of criticism is because those who want to criticize have more motivation to post than those who don't.

Of 'course. However forums to provide a general (and at the same time murky) viewpoint of the playerbase in general. TeamLiquid forums are held up as the pinnacle of competive SC2 gaming though.

Hmm.  FOrums are schewed as a meter to judge a fanbase since the population is always going to be a bit more hardcore than the rest of teh playerbase. 

[Anathemic]

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

I have actually.  I don't post often but I do lurk a lot.  There's a lot of complaining and criticism.  However, as I have learned over the years, forums are not inidicative of the overall sentiment.  The boards are active with those who want to be on forums, yes.  But the reason there's a lot of criticism is because those who want to criticize have more motivation to post than those who don't.

Of 'course. However forums to provide a general (and at the same time murky) viewpoint of the playerbase in general. TeamLiquid forums are held up as the pinnacle of competive SC2 gaming though.

Hmm.  FOrums are schewed as a meter to judge a fanbase since the population is always going to be a bit more hardcore than the rest of teh playerbase. 

For a competive game like StarCraft 2, hardcore is the only viewpoint worth acknowledging.

[JrayM16]

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

I have actually.  I don't post often but I do lurk a lot.  There's a lot of complaining and criticism.  However, as I have learned over the years, forums are not inidicative of the overall sentiment.  The boards are active with those who want to be on forums, yes.  But the reason there's a lot of criticism is because those who want to criticize have more motivation to post than those who don't.

Of 'course. However forums to provide a general (and at the same time murky) viewpoint of the playerbase in general. TeamLiquid forums are held up as the pinnacle of competive SC2 gaming though.

Hmm.  FOrums are schewed as a meter to judge a fanbase since the population is always going to be a bit more hardcore than the rest of teh playerbase. 

For a competive game like StarCraft 2, hardcore is the only viewpoint worth acknowledging.

From the competitive angle, sure.  But this still goes against your original point that a bunch of people are gonaa leave the game and hurt Blizzard's sales.  Besides, the competitive aspect is not the be-all-end-all of SC2.  There are millions of other gamers playing it for fun. 

[Anathemic]

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

I have actually.  I don't post often but I do lurk a lot.  There's a lot of complaining and criticism.  However, as I have learned over the years, forums are not inidicative of the overall sentiment.  The boards are active with those who want to be on forums, yes.  But the reason there's a lot of criticism is because those who want to criticize have more motivation to post than those who don't.

Of 'course. However forums to provide a general (and at the same time murky) viewpoint of the playerbase in general. TeamLiquid forums are held up as the pinnacle of competive SC2 gaming though.

Hmm.  FOrums are schewed as a meter to judge a fanbase since the population is always going to be a bit more hardcore than the rest of teh playerbase. 

For a competive game like StarCraft 2, hardcore is the only viewpoint worth acknowledging.

From the competitive angle, sure.  But this still goes against your original point that a bunch of people are gonaa leave the game and hurt Blizzard's sales.  Besides, the competitive aspect is not the be-all-end-all of SC2.  There are millions of other gamers playing it for fun. 

When did I say a majority of the playerbase is going to leave the game?

[JrayM16]

[quote]Anathemic wrote...

[quote]JrayM16 wrote...

[Hmm.  FOrums are schewed as a meter to judge a fanbase since the population is always going to be a bit more hardcore than the rest of teh playerbase.  [/quote]

For a competive game like StarCraft 2, hardcore is the only viewpoint worth acknowledging.

[/quote]

From the competitive angle, sure.  But this still goes against your original point that a bunch of people are gonaa leave the game and hurt Blizzard's sales.  Besides, the competitive aspect is not the be-all-end-all of SC2.  There are millions of other gamers playing it for fun.  [/quote]

When did I say a majority of the playerbase is going to leave the game?

[/quote]

You seemed to imply it when saying '90% of SC2 community would disagree' or something like that.  Forgive me if I misunderstood your post,.

[Anathemic]

Yeah, any SC2 player would agree that SC2 isn't SC: BW

Modifié par Anathemic, 26 février 2011 - 10:26 .

[John Epler]

Let's bring this back to DA2, folks. These are not the Starcraft forums.

[Riloux]

Unfortunately, the days of BG are over. Lowered expectations and casual gamers have forever crippled the gaming industry. I don't think we'll ever have another hardcore RPG again.

[Wye]

BioWare makes great games all-around. They are one of the few developers who consistently make good stuff.

[Villedge]

This is all nostalgia-based talk. You all sound like old-timers talking about how in your day, you had to walk uphill both ways to school. Get over yourselves.

[Passionaticus]

Riloux wrote...

Unfortunately, the days of BG are over. Lowered expectations and casual gamers have forever crippled the gaming industry. I don't think we'll ever have another hardcore RPG again.

You know when I first heard this? That BG days are over? In 2001, just a year after BG2 came out and just before arrival of ToB. I heard this while asking for a BG2 CDs from a shop keeper, who didnt have it and was praising cutting-edge latest game called Summoner instead. Well, almost 10 years passed since then and BG titles still sell, mods for them still being created, while hardly anyone remembers a Summoner game.

The fact that BG franchise is being remembered worldwide, proves that there is a consumer demand for such a product. With modern graphics of course, but still with same old level of complexity. Thing is Bioware seems unwilling to satisfy this demand, as of now. The point of this thread is to try change their minds.