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[Nodscouter]

This is basically the other thread, turned around after I saw  a few people who apparently thought it was the other way around.
So, what characters did you like at the beginning but then started hating after a while?

Personally:
Ashley, I thought she was pretty cool at the beginning, but then came ''I don't trust these aliens'' and ''I believe in god'' and after that, I never really talked to her again. Gone with Virmire.
Kaidan. I liked him through my first playthrough of ME and ME2, but I'm getting somewhat annoyed at him with my third playthrough. Dunno why actually. Ah well.

Also, please note that this is not for character bashing. We have threads for  each character where you can go to bash people's personal opinions on these fictional characters.

[Mylene]

i thought tali is fine until her being an ass to jacob

[GodWood]

Tali - In ME1 she was alright but in ME2 she became another annoying Shepard fangirl.

Garrus - Although I still consider him a bro his minimal dialogue in ME2 left me dissapointed.

Anderson - I always thought he was a cool dude but than in Retribtution he tries to take down the only organisation fighting the Reapers all for the sake of

[DPSSOC]

The Council - I thought they were neat and interesting in ME1 (even the Turian) and it seemed like they were coming around. ME2 changed that because while in ME1 I could write them off as cautious skeptics now they're just being, to quote Shepard, blind morons.

[SandTrout]

Kahlee Sanders. In Revalation she was caught up in events, but managed to cope like a real person would. In Ascension, she started to come into her own as a potentially compelling lead character, but then she went totally Mary Sue in Retribution with how she treated Grayson, which really irritated me because it reversed the character development from the other two books.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ashley - the racist comments and the religious stuff made me not like her. I liked her in the beginning.

Liara - In ME1, I found her to be trying too hard, but I still liked her. ME2, she seemed crazy (pre-LOTSB, people).

[darknoon5]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Ashley - the racist comments and the religious stuff made me not like her. I liked her in the beginning.
Liara - In ME1, I found her to be trying too hard, but I still liked her. ME2, she seemed crazy (pre-LOTSB, people).

Ashley isn't my favourite, but it's unfair to call her racist.

I liked Jacob at first, but when he started trying to be badass I gave up.

I liked Zaeed until he idiotically screwed up his own loyalty mission.

Other then that, I haven't really fallen out with any of the characters. I don't mind Zaeed, but his loyalty mission always annoys me.

[jeweledleah]

for the most part my first impressions either improve with time or stay the same with possibly 2 notable exceptions.



TIM and Zaeed. both characters started out as mostly blank canvases (although to be fair, I was more predisposed to dislike TIM, after all the Cerberus cleaning up I did in ME1.) after a while I've learned to actively dislike TIM and mistrust both TIM and Zaeed. after Zaeed's loyalty mission he was moved to "not to turn my back to him, ever" folder and stayed there ever since. I feel more secure with Grunt backing me up and that's saying something, considering that grunt outright warned Shepard that he will kill him/her if the people they fight are not tough enough adversaries.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

darknoon5 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Ashley - the racist comments and the religious stuff made me not like her. I liked her in the beginning.
Liara - In ME1, I found her to be trying too hard, but I still liked her. ME2, she seemed crazy (pre-LOTSB, people).

Ashley isn't my favourite, but it's unfair to call her racist.

I liked Jacob at first, but when he started trying to be badass I gave up.

I liked Zaeed until he idiotically screwed up his own loyalty mission.

Other then that, I haven't really fallen out with any of the characters. I don't mind Zaeed, but his loyalty mission always annoys me.

Saying things like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" is quite racist.

[jeweledleah]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Saying things like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" is quite racist.

visual impressions.

I cannot tell a Jamacan from Barbadian - does this make me a racist?  or someone simply unfamiliar with features specific to those ethnicities.  Untill Ash got on Normandy, she had little to no exposure to actual aliens, only stories and rumors, mostly negative ones.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

jeweledleah wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Saying things like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" is quite racist.

visual impressions.

I cannot tell a Jamacan from Barbadian - does this make me a racist?  or someone simply unfamiliar with features specific to those ethnicities.  Untill Ash got on Normandy, she had little to no exposure to actual aliens, only stories and rumors, mostly negative ones.

1) They look alike, so I don't think that's the best example.

2) It isn't that hard to tell the difference from an alien from an ANIMAL.

[jeweledleah]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

1) They look alike, so I don't think that's the best example.

2) It isn't that hard to tell the difference from an alien from an ANIMAL.

really?  untill you hear hanar speak, how do you know its not just some exotic land walking Jelly fish (heck even shepard calls it a big stupid jelly fish :/)?  untill you hear elcor speak, how do you know its not just some slow walking herbivore or something?  untill you learn more about the keepers, how can you tell that they are not an equivalent of a service dog?  And no, clothes are not always an indicator either - concidering that we actualy put on embelishments etc on our own domesticated animals here, on earth.

unless the aliens are humanoid (and not all aliens in Mass Effect are) and unless you've been exposed to them extensively, on visual alone, its not exactly as obvious as you'd think.

Ash is young.  more over, she's been only posted on human colonies, untill normandy.  she's nco, I have doubts that she's been exposed to extensive alien studies.  she's suspicious and she' not all accepting of people who are different and she most certainly has an us and them mentality, but lets not turn a visual assesment into xenophobia.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 26 février 2011 - 07:02 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

If the elcor were a slow-moving herbivore animal, why would it be walking around the presidium, the seat of galactic government, with no one to watch it? And pretty much every race there had clothes. I found it pretty obvious that everyone there was an sentient alien, not an animal.

EDIT: And it's not just that either. It's other things she says. Also, with her not trusting aliens, I found it to be kind of stupid. I'm not saying that she should 100% trust them, but I found that statement to be pretty pointless. The aliens don't trust the humans, either, for good reasons. The humans were bullying a bit.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 26 février 2011 - 07:08 .

[Kim Shepard]

There haven't been any characters that I actually loved and ended up hating, but my opinions of some did get worse over time.

Anderson - When I first played ME1, I thought he was a cool guy, and one of the few people who actually believed Shepard. Then in ME2, I was a little annoyed and confused at the way he reacted to being the first human councillor. Then I read Revelation, which made Saren my favorite character... and we all know how well the two of them got along. Then I read Retribution, where he injured one of my favorite characters (Kai Leng) and tried to kill another (TIM). He also attacked the only organization that was doing anything to help Shepard against the Reapers, which I liked working with in ME2. I still think he's an interesting character, but I honestly can't say that I like him anymore. He keeps attacking my favorites. That's not good for approval points.

Kaidan - I was neutral towards him in ME1, thought he was a good friend character with an interesting past and good opinions (I always liked the "jerks and saints" line). Then in ME2, Horizon happened. What Garrus said is basically the way I felt about it, he was so focused on Cerberus that he was ignoring the real threat. I want the option to keep working with TIM in ME3, and Kaidan already gave his opinion about that. I hope we also have an option to not allow Kaidan/Ashley back on the ship. If they want to help against the Reapers, it can be in some other way. Many of my Shepards saw Horizon as a betrayal.

[nevar00]

I wouldn't say I loved them and then hated them, but...

Liara - Didn't care much for her in ME 1. Cared even less in ME 2.

Ashley - She was okay, but all the racism and poetry and 'tough girl' crap really turned me off from her... she has a great character, no doubt about it, but I don't think she's very likeable.

Kaidan - Was neutral at first, and I am still pretty neutral with him, but now I think he's pretty boring.

I'll add in Miranda too.  I didn't like her at the start of ME 2: I disliked her even less by the end.

Modifié par nevar00, 26 février 2011 - 07:19 .

[jeweledleah]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If the elcor were a slow-moving herbivore animal, why would it be walking around the presidium, the seat of galactic government, with no one to watch it? And pretty much every race there had clothes. I found it pretty obvious that everyone there was an sentient alien, not an animal.

EDIT: And it's not just that either. It's other things she says. Also, with her not trusting aliens, I found it to be kind of stupid. I'm not saying that she should 100% trust them, but I found that statement to be pretty pointless. The aliens don't trust the humans, either, for good reasons. The humans were bullying a bit.

you found it to be obvious, becasue that's what you were expecting.  see it from a perspective of not a sci-fy gamer but rather a character in Ash's shoes.  why would an animal walk around presidium?  who knows?  how do you know, that salarian on a bench is NOT actualy watching it?  we have leeshless control dog collars even now, there could be something even more intricate in a future.  Keepers (which is the race she's actualy talking about)  don't have clothes - they have backpacks. kinda like these http://bestdogbackpa...ck_DFCAC676.jpg

lastly why should she trust aliens when all the examples of alein/human relations she has untill now are negative ones?  Once she's exposed to working with more aliens, she becomes a lot more open with them, remeber, she actualy volonteers to go with Salarians and does very well, fightning along side them.  She's no racist, she's a realist and a bit of a cynic.

[jbblue05]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Ashley - the racist comments and the religious stuff made me not like her. I liked her in the beginning.
Liara - In ME1, I found her to be trying too hard, but I still liked her. ME2, she seemed crazy (pre-LOTSB, people).

Ashley isn't my favourite, but it's unfair to call her racist.

I liked Jacob at first, but when he started trying to be badass I gave up.

I liked Zaeed until he idiotically screwed up his own loyalty mission.

Other then that, I haven't really fallen out with any of the characters. I don't mind Zaeed, but his loyalty mission always annoys me.

Saying things like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" is quite racist.

not racist but true.

[darknoon5]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Ashley - the racist comments and the religious stuff made me not like her. I liked her in the beginning.
Liara - In ME1, I found her to be trying too hard, but I still liked her. ME2, she seemed crazy (pre-LOTSB, people).

Ashley isn't my favourite, but it's unfair to call her racist.

I liked Jacob at first, but when he started trying to be badass I gave up.

I liked Zaeed until he idiotically screwed up his own loyalty mission.

Other then that, I haven't really fallen out with any of the characters. I don't mind Zaeed, but his loyalty mission always annoys me.

Saying things like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" is quite racist.

I thought that, but it's actually glitched. It should only say it next to a keeper.

Most people just agree it's an awful line and pretend it doesn't exist...it's not like it's part of her main dialouge.

Modifié par darknoon5, 26 février 2011 - 07:22 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

jeweledleah wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If the elcor were a slow-moving herbivore animal, why would it be walking around the presidium, the seat of galactic government, with no one to watch it? And pretty much every race there had clothes. I found it pretty obvious that everyone there was an sentient alien, not an animal.

EDIT: And it's not just that either. It's other things she says. Also, with her not trusting aliens, I found it to be kind of stupid. I'm not saying that she should 100% trust them, but I found that statement to be pretty pointless. The aliens don't trust the humans, either, for good reasons. The humans were bullying a bit.

you found it to be obvious, becasue that's what you were expecting.  see it from a perspective of not a sci-fy gamer but rather a character in Ash's shoes.  why would an animal walk around presidium?  who knows?  how do you know, that salarian on a bench is NOT actualy watching it?  we have leeshless control dog collars even now, there could be something even more intricate in a future.  Keepers (which is the race she's actualy talking about)  don't have clothes - they have backpacks. kinda like these http://bestdogbackpa...ck_DFCAC676.jpg

lastly why should she trust aliens when all the examples of alein/human relations she has untill now are negative ones?  Once she's exposed to working with more aliens, she becomes a lot more open with them, remeber, she actualy volonteers to go with Salarians and does very well, fightning along side them.  She's no racist, she's a realist and a bit of a cynic.

To me, she is. If you romance Liara and talk to Ashley, she makes statements that may lead one to think that she is indeed racist. And I think Ashley volunteered to to go with the Salarians AFTER Kaidan volunteered first. I think she did that just to one-up him or something, because I don't recall it having to do with her trusting aliens.

[Kim Shepard]

Can't believe I forgot one, but the transformation from "he's nice" to "I can't talk to this guy" was pretty quick.

Jacob - I liked him before we got to the Normandy, before FemShep stated flirting with him all the time. I know it's not his fault, but I couldn't talk to the poor guy after that for fear of romance traps. There were a few things he did that I disagreed with too, like the way he responded to Thane when he joined the team. I can understand people not trusting assassins, but it seemed hypocritical that he would be so vocal about it while working for Cerberus, which has assassins, mad scientists, extremists, at least one escaped convict (Kai Leng), and all that. Not that I have a problem working with Cerberus (obviously), but I don't have a problem with assassins joining the team either.

[Kim Shepard]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

And I think Ashley volunteered to to go with the Salarians AFTER Kaidan volunteered first. I think she did that just to one-up him or something, because I don't recall it having to do with her trusting aliens.

It was because she thought Kaidan would be a better person for staying with the nuke due to his tech skill, if I remember right. One thing my Shepards actually agreed with her about. That doesn't happen often.

[Ryzaki]

Liara - In Me1 she was creepy but meh in ME2 she's plain annoying and I want to shoot her in the face with a shotgun.

[nevar00]

jbblue05 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Ashley - the racist comments and the religious stuff made me not like her. I liked her in the beginning.
Liara - In ME1, I found her to be trying too hard, but I still liked her. ME2, she seemed crazy (pre-LOTSB, people).

Ashley isn't my favourite, but it's unfair to call her racist.

I liked Jacob at first, but when he started trying to be badass I gave up.

I liked Zaeed until he idiotically screwed up his own loyalty mission.

Other then that, I haven't really fallen out with any of the characters. I don't mind Zaeed, but his loyalty mission always annoys me.

Saying things like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" is quite racist.

not racist but true.

Maybe with the Hanar but that's about it.  Even looking at it from her perspective of not having seen an alien before, it's pretty clear that she at least would have seen pictures of them given her work in the military, and if she really can't tell the difference between a Salarian/Turian walking around wearing robes and an animal, well... she's quite the idiot.  Then again I never got the impression that she was very bright when I talked to her.

Like I said, she has a great character... just not very likeable.  

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

^ Exactly what Kim said with Jacob.

Also, Liara for me. At first, I thought a biotic alien? Cool! But because I did her mission third, she came onto me right away, as opposed to the subtle dialogue Kaidan/Ash had that lead you up to the romance scene. I hadn't even had a proper conversation with her before Kaidan told me she had her eyes on me.

I also thought that her character seemed a little off... Her voice was a little annoying to me, it sounded emotionless and repeated the same kind of tone. Whereas Samara's VA had it spot on because it was in character to sound emotionless. Also, she is the daughter of Matriarch Benezia and Matriarch Aethyta. Two of the most badass asari out there. Yet in ME1, she is a shy, softly spoken, and a 'bookish' woman.

I was expecting something more like her character in Redemption, but I didn't get it until LotSB. Where she was redeemed a little in my eyes.

[Kim Shepard]

I didn't include Liara in my list because she went from dislike to hate... and I don't think that counts. xD But it did go from the simple not choosing her to go on missions and never agreeing with her, to being really annoyed that I had to repeat a four-month playthrough because of her trap romance, to being happy that there's actually a line where Shepard says he wants to drop-kick her back into the volcano.