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[nevar00]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

^ Exactly what Kim said with Jacob.
Also, Liara for me. At first, I thought a biotic alien? Cool! But because I did her mission third, she came onto me right away, as opposed to the subtle dialogue Kaidan/Ash had that lead you up to the romance scene. I hadn't even had a proper conversation with her before Kaidan told me she had her eyes on me.
I also thought that her character seemed a little off... Her voice was a little annoying to me, it sounded emotionless and repeated the same kind of tone. Whereas Samara's VA had it spot on because it was in character to sound emotionless. Also, she is the daughter of Matriarch Benezia and Matriarch Aethyta. Two of the most badass asari out there. Yet in ME1, she is a shy, softly spoken, and a 'bookish' woman.
I was expecting something more like her character in Redemption, but I didn't get it until LotSB. Where she was redeemed a little in my eyes.

Wait... what?  When did this happen!?

I agree a bit about Liara: as I said I never really cared for her in the first game.  Her character was alright, but as you pointed out she always felt so emotionless, and the romance with her was really boring, imo.  I didn't care for her in the second game much more either, even after LOTSB.  Although I guess I am pretty interested to see what she does in ME 3, although that is more due to the plot than her character.

[jeweledleah]

nevar00 wrote...


Maybe with the Hanar but that's about it.  Even looking at it from her perspective of not having seen an alien before, it's pretty clear that she at least would have seen pictures of them given her work in the military, and if she really can't tell the difference between a Salarian/Turian walking around wearing robes and an animal, well... she's quite the idiot.  Then again I never got the impression that she was very bright when I talked to her.

Like I said, she has a great character... just not very likeable.  

she's talking about keepers.  Personaly, I just threw the other non humanoid aliens in there, because it can also apply to them.  concider how many different animals humanitydiscovers on the planets they colonize (Ashley served groundside on the colonies mostly)




Now the thing is, Ashley CAN be difficult to like at first and with me, it was definitely gradual progress from "too much snark, woman" to "hmm, she's actualy a pretty good person with a lot more depth then at first apparent"  but  calling her a racist religious biggot, like some of the detractors like to do here is way off base - just taking minor things and blowing them all out of proportion.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 26 février 2011 - 07:43 .

[Barquiel]

Garrus - he was one of my favorites in ME1...before he started his pointless crusade on Omega.

Jacob - I thought I would like him...I was wrong (forced flirting)

Zaeed - his loyalty mission

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Jacob: I really like his character in the intro before you get the Normandy SR-2, an honest decent person amongst unknown strangers. But then when you get aboard the Normandy he turns into a rude and boring person.

Thane: He seemed okay. Then the whole "I'm dying" was mentioned and it was downhill from there.

[nevar00]

jeweledleah wrote...

nevar00 wrote...


Maybe with the Hanar but that's about it.  Even looking at it from her perspective of not having seen an alien before, it's pretty clear that she at least would have seen pictures of them given her work in the military, and if she really can't tell the difference between a Salarian/Turian walking around wearing robes and an animal, well... she's quite the idiot.  Then again I never got the impression that she was very bright when I talked to her.

Like I said, she has a great character... just not very likeable.  

she's talking about keepers.  Personaly, I just threw the other non humanoid aliens in there, because it can also apply to them.  concider how many different animals humanitydiscovers on the planets they colonize (Ashley served groundside on the colonies mostly)




Now the thing is, Ashley CAN be difficult to like at first and with me, it was definitely gradual progress from "too much snark, woman" to "hmm, she's actualy a pretty good person with a lot more depth then at first apparent"  but  calling her a racist religious biggot, like some of the detractors like to do here is way off base - just taking minor things and blowing them all out of proportion.

WAS she talking about Keepers though?  If I remember correctly... which is likely I'm not, she says it when walking around near the Embassies right at the beginning, with no Keepers in sight.

I agree that some people can take the hate too far, but even when I talked to her a bit she never really seemed 'likeable' to me.  For example, when she was talking about religion I was fine with that (although it's weird that after everything that happened in the Mass Effect timeline religion would still be taken seriously, but I digress) she immediately became defense and everything.  Same thing happened when talking about her family and whatnot. 

Like I said, she has a great character (one of the most well-developed in ME 1 actually).  She's just not very likeable... in my opinion, of course.

[Kim Shepard]

Personally, I thought the keepers looked like robots. I would never mistake them for animals though. My first instinct says that if it has more tech skill than I do, it's not an animal.

Barquiel wrote...

Jacob - I thought I would like him...I was wrong (forced flirting)

Same. ): I thought I would want to romance him in my second or third playthrough. I'm not usually that wrong.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hehehe, and that is why you should NEVER trap romance Kim. She HATES trap romances

nevar00 wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

^ Exactly what Kim said with Jacob.
Also, Liara for me. At first, I thought a biotic alien? Cool! But because I did her mission third, she came onto me right away, as opposed to the subtle dialogue Kaidan/Ash had that lead you up to the romance scene. I hadn't even had a proper conversation with her before Kaidan told me she had her eyes on me.
I also thought that her character seemed a little off... Her voice was a little annoying to me, it sounded emotionless and repeated the same kind of tone. Whereas Samara's VA had it spot on because it was in character to sound emotionless. Also, she is the daughter of Matriarch Benezia and Matriarch Aethyta. Two of the most badass asari out there. Yet in ME1, she is a shy, softly spoken, and a 'bookish' woman.
I was expecting something more like her character in Redemption, but I didn't get it until LotSB. Where she was redeemed a little in my eyes.

Wait... what?  When did this happen!?

I agree a bit about Liara: as I said I never really cared for her in the first game.  Her character was alright, but as you pointed out she always felt so emotionless, and the romance with her was really boring, imo.  I didn't care for her in the second game much more either, even after LOTSB.  Although I guess I am pretty interested to see what she does in ME 3, although that is more due to the plot than her character.

*SPOILERS ALERT FOR LOTSB*
Matriarch Aethyta being Liara's (father?) is strongly suggested in LotSB. There is this conversation on Illium:

Followed by a clip of Matriarch Aethyta on Illium, looking at a picture of Liara when looking at the SB videos.

[Kim Shepard]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Hehehe, and that is why you should NEVER trap romance Kim. She HATES trap romances

Because any character who does will feel the wrath of my Shepards? Yeah, I'd say that's a good enough reason. xD After all, my Shepards are the people who kick mercs out of windows, have way too much fun shooting the explosive tanks, and leave a trail of bodies wherever they go.

[James2912]

Thane I was like what a bad ass and then he just turned out to be an emo. i was half expecting to walk in on him cutting his wrists while listeninig to My Chemical Romance or something.

Samara the more and more I learned about her the more I realized she is a religous zealot and a hypocrite.

Kaidan went from a little whiny but ok to a self righteous ******.

Anderson because he failed me as a Councilor.

The Council because they are just so ridiculously incompetent and racist it just pisses me off.

[Spectre_907]

Ashley: Her reactions on Horizion seemed counter to her development in Mass Effect if you romance her.

The Council: I sent alot of soldiers to their deaths to save them and they repayed me by turning their backs on me. Same reasons given for Ashley.

Liara: Lack of exposition as to why she progressed into a ruthless information broker. It makes some sense if you romance her but it's not clear. Also, her single-minded pursuit of revenge at the expense of her relationship with Shepard.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

James2912 wrote...

Thane I was like what a bad ass and then he just turned out to be an emo. i was half expecting to walk in on him cutting his wrists while listeninig to My Chemical Romance or something. 

I am intrigued as to why you have this opinion of Thane. If you wish, we could discuss this on the Thane thread .
I know this is a thread designed for people to say the characters the liked but began to hate. But this seems to be a very tiringly empty claim. Pfft.
And Kim, your Shepard's are perhaps the most badass in all the cross dimensions that occur in your playthroughs .

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 26 février 2011 - 08:49 .

[Kim Shepard]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

And Kim, your Shepard's are perhaps the most badass in all the cross dimensions that occur in your playthroughs .

I'm glad you like them. I like all of my Shepards too, even those who love the very same characters I hate.

[James2912]

I think its still on topic. He does bad ass assasin karate stuff thats for sure. But all he does is whine and feel sorry for himself and he denies personal responsibility. I am just a weapon so on so forth. No Thane you killed those people and you just don't want to admit because of your holier than thou religion that you like being an assassin!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I think this could be discussed further on the Thane thread. Honestly, we could be more than happy to discuss this with you...

Whining: He only tells you about his past if you ask him. He is honest about his past and won't keep secrets from Shepard. He explains his death as a motivation for him going on the suicide mission without charging. He doesn't tell you about his wife until you ask. And Kolyat is his loyalty mission, due to the upcoming SM, of course he will ask for the opportunity to reconcile with his son. But this isn't whining.

Not accepting responsilbility: He never says that he LIKES being an assassin. In fact, I always got the impression that he didn't like it. His profession estranged him from his son, and utimately led to his wife's death. So I believe he feels resentment towards the fact that the hanar trained him to be an assassin since the age of 6.

About his philosophy, I personally believe that it is a coping mechanism. You can't be an assassin and still be happy go lucky. You have to have a justification to believe in. An assassin is a killer, to unburden yourself of all the guilt this would bring, it makes perfect sense to have a philosophy like this.

And Kim, I have tried doing that to my Shepards (making them love the characters I hate.) I commend you for being stronger than I!

[Kim Shepard]

[quote]Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Whining: He only tells you about his past if you ask him. He is honest about his past and won't keep secrets from Shepard. He explains his death as a motivation for him going on the suicide mission without charging. He doesn't tell you about his wife until you ask. And Kolyat is his loyalty mission, due to the upcoming SM, of course he will ask for the opportunity to reconcile with his son. But this isn't whining.[/quote]
I agree, and I would like to add that his tone of voice when he speaking about these things with Shepard is not the same tone someone would use if they were whining. He sounded serious.

Not accepting responsilbility: He never says that he LIKES being an assassin. In fact, I always got the impression that he didn't like it. His profession estranged him from his son, and utimately led to his wife's death. So I believe he feels resentment towards the fact that the hanar trained him to be an assassin since the age of 6.
About his philosophy, I personally believe that it is a coping mechanism. You can't be an assassin and still be happy go lucky. You have to have a justification to believe in. An assassin is a killer, to unburden yourself of all the guilt this would bring, it makes perfect sense to have a philosophy like this.[/quote]
I don't think Thane resents the hanar for it. At least, that wasn't the impression I got after he said that the drell would think of it as an honor. While I don't agree with his beliefs (in fact, it's one of the few things I don't like about him), they do make sense to me, for the same reasons you said.

[quote]And Kim, I have tried doing that to my Shepards (making them love the characters I hate.) I commend you for being stronger than I![/quote]
It's hard sometimes. My current MaleShep said he wanted to kill Saren in a conversation with Garrus. D: MainShep probably stepped in from her alternate universe long enough to slap him.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Your maleshep is so evil. I could never make a Shepard who didn't like Garrus and wouldn't recruit him...

And I don't necessarily think that he resents the hanar, he always speaks of them with much respect and honours the compact. To the point that the drell don't leave Kahje, despite it being a unsuitable climate for them, in order to honour the compact. I think that Thane resents the fact that being an assassin has brought those he loves further away from him.

However, back on topic before this becomes a thread about Thane.

Another character I liked was Kaidan. In ME1, he is an intellectual character and interesting without being extreme. His romance took it slow (unlike a certain ME1 romance...) And I was genuinely interested in the conversations with him.

Then... Horizon. Did not like. Very out of character. Nuff said.

[Xilizhra]

Kaidan's romance starts out at the exact same time and with the exact same speed as Liara's. Liara is just more frank about her interest.

[nevar00]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Hehehe, and that is why you should NEVER trap romance Kim. She HATES trap romances

nevar00 wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

^ Exactly what Kim said with Jacob.
Also, Liara for me. At first, I thought a biotic alien? Cool! But because I did her mission third, she came onto me right away, as opposed to the subtle dialogue Kaidan/Ash had that lead you up to the romance scene. I hadn't even had a proper conversation with her before Kaidan told me she had her eyes on me.
I also thought that her character seemed a little off... Her voice was a little annoying to me, it sounded emotionless and repeated the same kind of tone. Whereas Samara's VA had it spot on because it was in character to sound emotionless. Also, she is the daughter of Matriarch Benezia and Matriarch Aethyta. Two of the most badass asari out there. Yet in ME1, she is a shy, softly spoken, and a 'bookish' woman.
I was expecting something more like her character in Redemption, but I didn't get it until LotSB. Where she was redeemed a little in my eyes.

Wait... what?  When did this happen!?

I agree a bit about Liara: as I said I never really cared for her in the first game.  Her character was alright, but as you pointed out she always felt so emotionless, and the romance with her was really boring, imo.  I didn't care for her in the second game much more either, even after LOTSB.  Although I guess I am pretty interested to see what she does in ME 3, although that is more due to the plot than her character.

*SPOILERS ALERT FOR LOTSB*
Matriarch Aethyta being Liara's (father?) is strongly suggested in LotSB. There is this conversation on Illium:

Followed by a clip of Matriarch Aethyta on Illium, looking at a picture of Liara when looking at the SB videos.

Huh, that's really interesting... I've never seen that before.  

[Kim Shepard]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Your maleshep is so evil. I could never make a Shepard who didn't like Garrus and wouldn't recruit him...

None of my Shepards would do that either. And even those who want to kill Saren in the beginning see the error of their ways and persuade him later on. xD But the fact that some many of them are "evil" still stands!

And I don't necessarily think that he resents the hanar, he always speaks of them with much respect and honours the compact. To the point that the drell don't leave Kahje, despite it being a unsuitable climate for them, in order to honour the compact. I think that Thane resents the fact that being an assassin has brought those he loves further away from him.

Okay, I understand what you were saying now. I agree with that.

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaidan's romance starts out at the exact same time and with the exact same speed as Liara's. Liara is just more frank about her interest.

Even if they start at the same point in the game, I remember having more conversations with Kaidan before the subject of romance came up, and I got the impression that he knew Shepard for a while before ME1. Not that the speed of Liara's romance was what annoyed me. It was the fact that it continued after "I'm not interested in you." I don't care for Kaidan's romance either (liked him better as a friend), but at least he let me turn him down.

[Xilizhra]

He had one conversation more than Liara, assuming you recruit Liara early and thus get the maximum amount of romantic dialogue, and they do start at the exact same time. It never felt rushed to me, but I took long breaks between story missions to do side missions, and got to know Liara better there.



And continuing after "I'm not interested in you" is a glitch. Liara was supposed to accept it.

[Barquiel]

Kaidan has the "Eden Prime" dialogue...but otherwise it's exactly the same.

[Chuvvy]

Didn't mind Tali in ME1.

[Kim Shepard]

I meant the conversations before romance with Kaidan get more drawn out because he's around longer, from the start of the game and even before that (because Shepard and Kaidan must have met before ME1 started), even if the Kaidan and Liara romances start at the same point in the game. Again, it doesn't bother me when romances start fast. A few of the ME2 romances that I like did too.

I figured the romance trap was a glitch, but it's a pretty common one (if you choose the bottom right dialogue instead of middle right). Kaidan and Ashley's trap romances are pretty common too, even though I've never had a problem with them. The fact that it's a glitch doesn't make me hate the character any less because the annoyance is still there.

[Null_]

None. pretty much every character I didnt like was so from the begining. Either that or they were just boring (no hate/love) and I never used them.

[Dean_the_Young]

ME2 Tali, who largely ruined the assertive action-girl ME1 Tali who was somewhat attractive without indulging in 'edgy' adult crushing teenager stage.



I agree with a long-lost comment of another poster's: Tali would have made a better action-girl heroine to retrieve Shepard's corpse than Liara.





Otherwise: I was a bit disappointed with Garrus, considering how little the ME1 character development mattered.