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[Chignon]

nevar00 wrote...

WAS she talking about Keepers though?  If I remember correctly... which is likely I'm not, she says it when walking around near the Embassies right at the beginning, with no Keepers in sight.

It's a known bug. She was only supposed to say this line around the Keepers.

[Di-Hydrogen-Monoxide]

Ashley-

I liked her at first, she seemed to be tough and disciplined but also someone who can unwind and relax. Unfortunately, she started whipping out the ignorant (possibly racist) comments. To the people who say she never knew any different or only heard stories of aliens, that does not excuse her, i have met many people over the years who grew up in isloated, bigoted communities and did not "know any better". Does that stop them being racist? No.

However, the main reason i grew to hate her si the incessant poetry. I HATE POETRY. I really didn't enjoy constant quotes being hurled at me after every mission.



Anderson-

I liked him at first but he seemed too sulky and narrow minded in ME2, hope he redeems himself soon.

[Volus Warlord]

Jacob: hated him as soon as combat started on Insane. "STOP DIEING YOU STUPID IDIOT! MEDIGEL ISNT A DIME A DOZEN!" Character had potential but was rather bland.



Jack: hated her when I saw her cry. BIG GIRLS DON'T CRY!

[Biotic_Warlock]

For me it would be Ashley and zaeeed.

Ashley is religious and hates aliens - says a lot.

Zaeed is far too much a mercenary.

Id be suprised if he doesnt turn on me later on.

[Sparrow44]

Chignon wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

WAS she talking about Keepers though?  If I remember correctly... which is likely I'm not, she says it when walking around near the Embassies right at the beginning, with no Keepers in sight.

It's a known bug. She was only supposed to say this line around the Keepers.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

^ Hahahahaha!

[Kim Shepard]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I agree with a long-lost comment of another poster's: Tali would have made a better action-girl heroine to retrieve Shepard's corpse than Liara.

I like the idea, but would Tali really give Shepard's body to Cerberus?

[Sparrow44]

For me it was Jacob, I liked that the guy vouched for me when being interrogated by Miranda on the shuttle and was all like '...not gonna second guess you Commander' and any scene with him involved he seemed to question anything I did. Couldn't even just have a casual chat without him being all 'not big on these forced talks'.

It was almost as if Bioware made him unlikable on purpose.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I liked morinth up untill my brain exploded when i romanced her.

[ADLegend21]

Garrus.at first Iw as blinded by how awesome they tried to make him, but when I ahd a femshep romance him it was like "really, I'm inviting you to my bed...and you're complaining about your Merc team? didn't killing Sidonis help?" that and when I paragonned him in me1 he STILL went rogue after I died. Iw anted to slap him silly and shout "din't you listen to a word I said?!".He's hard headed and whiney. don't get me wrong I take him with me because he's outstanding in combat, but he's just...UGH. he's better in fanfictions and fan art. =/ Oh and Zaeed, because I got tired of killing those workers for one person. That and hearing about his war stories where he's the only one to get out alive because he lets everyone else die. It's fun leaving him to die on his mission, especially when I've been terrorizing the blue suns on my own and leaving vido with nothing is more fun than killing him.

[Sajuro]

jeweledleah wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Saying things like "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" is quite racist.

visual impressions.

I cannot tell a Jamacan from Barbadian - does this make me a racist?  or someone simply unfamiliar with features specific to those ethnicities.  Untill Ash got on Normandy, she had little to no exposure to actual aliens, only stories and rumors, mostly negative ones.

'animal' =/= ethnicity
Most aliens walk upright, and she should have learned about the two that don't in social studies.

[jeweledleah]

Sajuro wrote...

'animal' =/= ethnicity
Most aliens walk upright, and she should have learned about the two that don't in social studies.

Ash was born about one year after start of first contact war. She's 25 at the start of mass effect.  We're still learning about all the alien species, the only species humans are farily familiar ones are the coulcil races - Turians, Asari and Salarian and even then, most people on the fringes have more rumors then actual information to go by.  There's very little that's known about keepers even at the start of the Mass Effect 1 by races that lived on citadel for centuries.  moreover - please see the images provided on a previous page.  yes its a bug that she says it anywhere other then around a keeper.

[V-rex]

Di-Hydrogen-Monoxide wrote...

Ashley-
I liked her at first, she seemed to be tough and disciplined but also someone who can unwind and relax. Unfortunately, she started whipping out the ignorant (possibly racist) comments. To the people who say she never knew any different or only heard stories of aliens, that does not excuse her, i have met many people over the years who grew up in isloated, bigoted communities and did not "know any better". Does that stop them being racist? No..

Except for that Ashley really ISN'T racist. At most she's a cynical realist who doesn't believe that, when push comes to shove, aliens will look out for humans in a time of danger. That instead they would value their own people above the humans and with that in mind, while she admits that humans shouldn't turn down aliens as allies, they need to be prepared to go alone in case the aliens don't stay as allies.

This hardly sounds like the words of a screaming anti alien psychotic like everyone keeps labelling her as. In addition to her views really not being all that extreme or even particularly aggressive, she also says and does numerous things that contradict the idea that she's a racist.
For example, happily volunteering to assist the Salarian team on Virmire and having no problem working with them and just generally demonstrating respect to them in the process. She also despises extremist groups like Terra Firma and Cerberus, the former of which she'll even angrily confront on the Citadel.
Also at one point in an elevator conversation she will actually hope for improved relations between humans and Quarians thanks to Tali's involvement in helping to stop Saren. She also maintains that she doesn't think humanity is the 'superior' race, or that humans have any right to mistreat aliens.
She even demonstrates the capacity to empathise and sympathise with Liara no less than twice. Once if you get into the 'love triangle' and pick her over Liara and once after the Noveria mission when Liara's mother dies.

The former is Ashley admitting that she feels bad for Liara because 'no one should have to feel like they aren't good enough for something they want' which is something Ashley is certainly familiar with (what with the blacklisted name and everything) as well as adding that she mostly actually mad at SHEPARD, not LIARA. The second of which is telling Shepard that he should go up and talk to Liara because she lost her mum and that has to hurt.

Finally, obviously, Ashley has the capacity to move on past her problems with trusting aliens by having a long in depth conversation with Shepard about her family history and namely about how General Williams was blacklisted from the Alliance for being the first human ever to surrender to an alien race and since then Ashley's career and name have been in the mud in the Alliance military, hence her bitterness.
During this conversation she can finally come to terms with the fact that she needs to blame the Alliance for her family name being blacklisted, not the Turians. After which she actually becomes the most paragon of your squadmates.

So to review, she has some base trust issues due to lack of personal experience and bad history. However she clearly had no problem taking orders from Kirrahe and being the only human working in a team of aliens and in fact, volunteered for the job. She also hopes for improved relations between humans and another alien race, she demonstrates the capacity to empathise with members of other races, she has no love for extreme pro human groups and she doesn't think humans are the superior race.
And finally, she can be coaxed out of some of her views to be more prepared to be open minded.

If you ask me, all the stuff people throw at Ashley is ammunition they made up themselves, or at least overstated it to a great deal. She really isn't nearly as bad as people say she is.
I'm fully aware that by making this post I run the risk of people using the same old tired arguments that they've used to the last four years at me but hey, whatever.


Anyway OT:
To be honest here, Tali. No I'm not one of those angry Tali hating trolls who goes from thread to thread eager for the blood of a fresh Talimancer to flame (or at least, I hope I'm not) but I just don't like how she became in Mass Effect 2. She seemed too much like the idealized girlfriend figure and the constant shoving down my throat of how much of a crush she had on me got on my nerves. To be honest I also didn't much care for her attitude regarding the Geth, even in Mass Effect 1 where they were the primary enemy I still found myself getting annoyed at her.
(Honestly, that one conversation about the Quarian/Geth war made me lose great deals of respect for Quarians and start sympathizing with the Geth, which I doubt was meant to be the the point of it)
I don't know if I'd full on call it 'hate' but I do know that she's not one of my favorites either.

[V-rex]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

I liked morinth up untill my brain exploded when i romanced her.

Now what did we learn from this experience?

[V-rex]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...
Ashley is religious and hates aliens - says a lot.
.

Please refer to my large post above to my response about the 'hates aliens' bit.
For further reading of my responses please type in the words 'Ashley Religion Backlash' into google.

[Gentleman Moogle]

V-rex wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

I liked morinth up untill my brain exploded when i romanced her.

Now what did we learn from this experience?

Always think with your OTHER head?

[Prince of Kemet]

Sparroww wrote...

For me it was Jacob, I liked that the guy vouched for me when being interrogated by Miranda on the shuttle and was all like '...not gonna second guess you Commander' and any scene with him involved he seemed to question anything I did. Couldn't even just have a casual chat without him being all 'not big on these forced talks'.<br />
It was almost as if Bioware made him unlikable on purpose.

THIS!!!

[nevar00]

I would hardly call Tali's romance "forced": if I recall correctly, Kelly made a comment when she first gets on board of how she likes you, and then Tali brings it up if you talk to her (obviously). I would hardly call that forced, especially anywhere near as bad as Miranda's ass, which literally gets forced on the player in every cutscene with her.

Actually, speaking of her, I would add Miranda, although I didn't like her at the beginning anyway. But seeing how she treated Jack, I disliked her even more by the end of the game.

I would also mention Zaeed: I liked him when I first met him and still liked him by the end of the game, but the guy proved to be a moron during his suicide mission. He blew up the factory to kill... 3 guys standing on a balcony?! Uh... Zaeed? It's not like I've killed 9 times that amount at the same time before... talk about overkill.

[Saaziel]

I thought Jacob & Grunt were cool at first, they ended up rather bland after a while.

Jacob got benched once I recruited Thane. The whole "I don't like mercenaries (Or whatever)" speech didn't sit well with me. Sounded like a botch way of developing his character.

Grunt , was overshadowed by the Tank-grown-Krogan. After that, he was nothing more than a redundant Krogan archetype with a "bio-engineered experiment" thrown in the mix. Given the opportunity I'd space him and get TGK on board, best script ever! Also the "I am krogan" got old real fast.

Miranda I love to hate. So I'm not sure if she belongs here. On one hand I like that she's not , predictably , throwing herself at Shep like everything else in the cosmos apparently. I like that. On the other hand she's got an attitude (And pathing) problem that makes me cringe. Which I also like since it makes her more believable.

I can't recall ME1 all too well , but Ash stands out as a character that I didn't particularly cared for towards the end. Though she was believable.

Modifié par Saaziel, 27 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[DPSSOC]

Garrus - absolutely my favourite turian, though that's not setting the bar particularly high, but ME2 made me dislike him. I saved his life the least he can do is have more than 3 conversations with me. Damn callibrations.

And while on the old team train Tali, I liked her a lot for the first couple of conversations in ME1, but once I talked to her about the Geth it kind of killed it for me. I can understand the hate and I'm ok with that, but I cannot tolerate the blind, stubborn refusal to acknowledge her people's fault in the whole affair.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Garrus' constant calibrations and the very little dialogue you get with him is annoying. But I wouldn't dislike his character based on that.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Miranda's butt shots were annoying, but at least after her loyalty mission I could see she was a good character, not just the main sex appeal.

Side Note: I've heard some say that Talimancers always complain about someone not liking Tali, but whenever someone says Ashley is racist, someone ALWAYS has to say something. Funny world we live in....

[LordShrike]

"Tali - In ME1 she was alright but in ME2 she became another annoying Shepard fangirl."
Who ever said that gets my approval.
Others i liked or did not like.