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[Dean_the_Young]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I agree with a long-lost comment of another poster's: Tali would have made a better action-girl heroine to retrieve Shepard's corpse than Liara.

I like the idea, but would Tali really give Shepard's body to Cerberus?

Before Ascension, why not? For much the same reasons Liara would, even if you didn't romance her. Even afterwards, she wasn't against working with Cerberus for Shepard's sake.


Would have made a much nicer 'Tali's been crushing on you' lead-in than the rather flat retcon of ME2.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 27 février 2011 - 11:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

It would also give Tali something approaching a legitimate basis for working with Cerberus on Freedom's Progress.

[Flamewielder]

I still find all the characters interesting but I've sort of "benched" some on the Normandy for tactical reasons (I play Infiltrators and Engineers):

Mordin
Jacob
Kasumi
Zaeed

[somecthemes]

It's hard to hate characters who you just stop talking to after picking up their upgrade, if even that is needed. For me, these include:
Jacob, Joker, Kasumi, & Zaeed
Everyone else had enough interesting story and conversation to warrant listening their story even a fourth time. While I still go on missions with Kas and Zeedy, I don't actually want to talk to them, no dialogue choices.

[Wulfram]

Miranda's sulking after I backed Jack in their fight made me lose respect for her - though I'd never actually liked her.

Modifié par Wulfram, 27 février 2011 - 02:37 .

[JediNg]

Ashley Williams.

[Nodscouter]

DPSSOC wrote...
And while on the old team train Tali, I liked her a lot for the first couple of conversations in ME1, but once I talked to her about the Geth it kind of killed it for me. I can understand the hate and I'm ok with that, but I cannot tolerate the blind, stubborn refusal to acknowledge her people's fault in the whole affair.

I think she has about as much responsibiliy for the Geth as the Germans have for Hitler. You really can't just say ''X people did something wrong a long time ago, Y people share similarities with them (These similarities may be religion, ethnicity, political viewpoints or in this case - species) and therefore it was all Y's faults that X people did something wrong''. If we'd go that way there wouldn't be a single group of people left that aren't horrible persons.

Also, to the three last posts, this is a thread for characters that you seemed to like at first, but later you stopped liking them. If you hated them from the beginning of ME1 and still do, then this is the wrong thread.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 27 février 2011 - 04:33 .

[DPSSOC]

Nodscouter wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
And while on the old team train Tali, I liked her a lot for the first couple of conversations in ME1, but once I talked to her about the Geth it kind of killed it for me. I can understand the hate and I'm ok with that, but I cannot tolerate the blind, stubborn refusal to acknowledge her people's fault in the whole affair.

I think she has about as much responsibiliy for the Geth as the Germans have for Hitler. You really can't just say ''X people did something wrong a long time ago, Y people share similarities with them (These similarities may be religion, ethnicity, political viewpoints or in this case - species) and therefore it was all Y's faults that X people did something wrong''. If we'd go that way there wouldn't be a single group of people left that aren't horrible persons.

No, no, no you misunderstand.  I don't hold Tali, or any living Quarian, responsible for what happened.  My issue is they refuse to acknowledge that their ancestors were, at least in part.  It'd be similar to my family holding a feud with another because they stole our land way back when, but refusing to acknowledge that we tried to steal theirs first.

Nodscouter wrote...
Also, to the three last posts, this is a thread for characters that you seemed to like at first, but later you stopped liking them. If you hated them from the beginning of ME1 and still do, then this is the wrong thread.

But I didn't hate her from the beginning.  I didn't talk to her about the Geth until 3 or 4 missions in (after Noveria or Virmire can't remember).  Up until that point I really did like the character, she was interesting and good company.  Her talk of the Geth, and the continuation of that attitude into ME2, is what made me come to dislike her.

[Nodscouter]

DPSSOC wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...
Also, to the three last posts, this is a thread for characters that you seemed to like at first, but later you stopped liking them. If you hated them from the beginning of ME1 and still do, then this is the wrong thread.

But I didn't hate her from the beginning.  I didn't talk to her about the Geth until 3 or 4 missions in (after Noveria or Virmire can't remember).  Up until that point I really did like the character, she was interesting and good company.  Her talk of the Geth, and the continuation of that attitude into ME2, is what made me come to dislike her.

Uuuuuh:

Wulfram wrote...

Miranda's sulking after I backed Jack in their fight made me lose respect for her - though I'd never actually liked her.

Saphra Deden wrote...

The only character I dislike at all is Liara, but that's because I think her characterization is inconsistent with her portrayal in ME1. I don't hate her though. I don't hate any of the characters. Even the ones I hate.

JediNg wrote...

Ashley Williams.

Where exactly are you in these three posts?
And besides, if you don't hold any currently alive Quarian responsible then why do you even care? If she won't ''admit'' that her ancestors did it, which you have yourself admitted to not being her fault, then why do you even care?

Modifié par Nodscouter, 27 février 2011 - 05:30 .

[DPSSOC]

Nodscouter wrote...
Uuuuuh:

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Where exactly are you in these three posts?

Ahh, whoops wasn't paying attention, happens sometimes.

Nodscouter wrote...
And besides, if you don't hold any currently alive Quarian responsible then why do you even care? If she won't ''admit'' that her ancestors did it, which you have yourself admitted to not being her fault, then why do you even care?

It's a behaviour I find intolerable is all.  Everyone makes mistakes, everyone does bad things now and again; to hold that against a person is to fault them for being human.  What I can hold against them is the refusal to acknowledge and admit to those mistakes.  I can forgive almost anything if the offending party acknowledges that they've done wrong, that they've made a mistake.  For 300 years the Quarians have been refusing to acknowledge that their ancestors made a mistake, that they are partially to blame for their current circumstance.  I can forgive their actions, I can accept their hate, but willful ignorance is intolerable to me.

[Nodscouter]

But that's just the thing. The Quarians currently alive hold no responsibilty at all for the actions of dead Quarians. And back to Tali, she does say that they have made a mistake, but she says it's justified. And lastly, I'd prefer to keep longer discussions outside of this thread, so if you want to discuss this further I would humbly suggest we move it to the Tali thread.

[AdmiralCheez]

I used to really like Tali, but after repeated visits to the BSN I lost interest. What between the obsessive fanboys and the incredibly immature haters, I just stopped caring.  Well, okay, not COMPLETELY, but she's not the same little-sisterly bundle-of-cute anymore.

My relationship with Liara has been... strange. At first, I really hated the damsel-in-distress routine and got really sick of the "oh, I feel faint" and "ooh, I'm so interested in you, Shepard," and her behavior in ME2 was both confusing and disturbing. However, after playing LotSB, her character evolution really made sense, and enough of the "old" Liara peaked through that the new and tough version became endearing. Unfortunately, this new respect for her was quickly dropped after realizing that Bioware was basically FORCING me to like her, what with the best-buddy-ever dialogue in SB and her presentation in the comics (see Genesis). She was being over-marketed and it was doing a disservice to an otherwise decent character. So you know what? Screw Liara. I'll decide who and who not to like on my own, thanks.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 27 février 2011 - 05:49 .

[Barquiel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Unfortunately, this new respect for her was quickly dropped after realizing that Bioware was basically FORCING me to like her, what with the best-buddy-ever dialogue in SB and her presentation in the comics (see Genesis). She was being over-marketed and it was doing a disservice to an otherwise decent character. So you know what? Screw Liara. I'll decide who and who not to like on my own, thanks.

Bioware forces you to like Garrus and Joker (in ME2). Do you dislike them too?

Modifié par Barquiel, 27 février 2011 - 05:55 .

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I used to really like Tali, but after repeated visits to the BSN I lost interest. What between the obsessive fanboys and the incredibly immature haters, I just stopped caring.  Well, okay, not COMPLETELY, but she's not the same little-sisterly bundle-of-cute anymore.

Talimancer anarhy ended long time ago, is it still the case?

My relationship with Liara has been... strange. At first, I really hated the damsel-in-distress routine and got really sick of the "oh, I feel faint" and "ooh, I'm so interested in you, Shepard," and her behavior in ME2 was both confusing and disturbing. However, after playing LotSB, her character evolution really made sense, and enough of the "old" Liara peaked through that the new and tough version became endearing. Unfortunately, this new respect for her was quickly dropped after realizing that Bioware was basically FORCING me to like her, what with the best-buddy-ever dialogue in SB and her presentation in the comics (see Genesis). She was being over-marketed and it was doing a disservice to an otherwise decent character. So you know what? Screw Liara. I'll decide who and who not to like on my own, thanks.

Same here, though I didn't hated her.
She was just meh until LotSB to me.

[CroGamer002]

Barquiel wrote...

Bioware forces you to like Garrus and Joker too (in ME2). Do you dislike them too?

You can be jerk to Joker.

[Barquiel]

Mesina2 wrote...


You can be jerk to Joker.

You're right, Shep can blame him because he lost the crew. That's mean^_^

[Ahriman]

Garrus. He used to be one of my favorite teammates in ME, but then things changed.
I brainwashed you whole previous game, you looked reasonable. You promissed to return in c-sec and become a good guy. But then I died and rised from dead two years later and what I see? You son of a varren.
Yeah, I miss such dialog option when I meet him. Yes, I'm selfish jerk.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I used to really like Tali, but after repeated visits to the BSN I lost interest. What between the obsessive fanboys and the incredibly immature haters, I just stopped caring.  Well, okay, not COMPLETELY, but she's not the same little-sisterly bundle-of-cute anymore.

Same here.

[AdmiralCheez]

Barquiel wrote...

Bioware forces you to like Garrus and Joker (in ME2). Do you dislike them too?

It wasn't as blatant.

[CroGamer002]

GodWood wrote...
Anderson - I always thought he was a cool dude but than in Retribtution he tries to take down the only organisation fighting the Reapers all for the sake of

Galaxy is better of Cerberus.







And Alliance and the Council.

[Barquiel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Bioware forces you to like Garrus and Joker (in ME2). Do you dislike them too?

It wasn't as blatant.

It wasn't as blatant?

Bioware forced me to recruit Garrus in ME2.
Shepard and Garrus still act like old friends even if you never recruited him in ME1 ("just like old times"...sure)
A lot of the conversations are very "buddy buddy".

Yes, Shep hugs Liara...but that's it. You can express your disappontment because she doesn't help you on your mission/because she gave Shep's body to cerberus (...and nobody forces you to buy DLC or the comic series).

Modifié par Barquiel, 27 février 2011 - 06:31 .

[LeVaughnX]

Hated Ashley - she was a racist, flaming ****** who dissed Liaria and Garrus.

I liked Liara but then when ME2 came around she was suddenly bitter and just "not like her". Yes I know WHY but it still shouldn't have been such a massive - sudden - drastic change that made her give Shepard (even if he is a romance) the cold fricken shoulder.

Jacob...ah Jacob...I'm sorry but that man is totally useless...the token black armory worker...except hes not funny, hes useless in combat, his voice is annoying, he tries too hard to "impress" me during his conversations, and half the time I find him to be the most "robotic" out of the group - and we have an actual fricking robot in the crew!!

Miri - I always disliked her because she acted like a royal pain. I mean she seemed more caring and loving when you were in that coma. But when she and you spoke together - even after the final mission - he dialouge was still ""IM SO ANAL ABOUT MY LOOKS IM SO COOL BUT I HAVE A DISORDER TO MAKE ME HATE MYSELF BLAH BLAH BLAH I LOVE CERBERUS BLAH BLAH BLAH""...Seriously? After the final mission everyone should have had some sort of say in the cerberus thing where - their permanently altered to love or hate the organization.

Everyone else I generally liked - though I thought Zaeed's special skill was kind of useless...Maybe he should have some form of "rage" type special ability where when activated he took no damage for ten seconds - ran up to everything with a knife out - and began performing special kills on them where he would dive on one; stab him in the head, tackle another one while using the body as a human shield - smash the butt of his gun on someones head etc. It would make for an interesting toss up to the usual point-and-shoot hah.


[[EDIT]] I liked Anderson but I thought he'd take more of a responsability in ME2 / do something more in M3 (hopefully since in the book he quit the council crap he might be recruitable...that would be unlikely but a nice thing regardless).

The council itself however I thought had a lot of potential at the end of ME1 - but they shafted you hard and I kind of wish they wouldn't have made it such a random twist of events...

Oh and one more thing - Sanders (From the books) went from cute / funny / innocent / relatiable - to a typical **** who hit on everything that moved who also got drunk constantly and used men for fun....What the hell?

Modifié par LeVaughnX, 27 février 2011 - 06:31 .