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[jbblue05]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Bioware forces you to like Garrus and Joker (in ME2). Do you dislike them too?

It wasn't as blatant.

Garrus was more blatant than Joker.

I told Garrus to F off in ME1 and my Shepard is buddy-buddy with him in ME2

[Zulu_DFA]

Garrus. Was an "OK guy" (for a Turian) in ME1, and even finished the game as my favorite squadmate (with Kaidan dead and Ashley falling out of favor in the latter part of the story).

But in ME2 he became such a spineless brown noser it stinked.

[nevar00]

lmao Garrus, more of a brown noser in ME 2 than 1? The guy had no opinion in the first game and would just go along with whatever crap Shephard told him. In the second game at least he began to develop his own opinions on stuff like how to deal with criminals like Sidonis, Harkin, etc. Granted you can stop him but in the first game, all you have to do is talk to him to change his opinion and he'll blindly go with what you say.

[AdmiralCheez]

Barquiel wrote...

Bioware forced me to recruit Garrus in ME2.
Shepard and Garrus still act like old friends even if you never recruited him in ME1 ("just like old times"...sure)
A lot of the conversations are very "buddy buddy".

Actually, he doesn't have those lines if you never recruited him.  Oh yeah, and you could get him killed.

Yes, Shep hugs Liara...but that's it. You can express your disappontment because she doesn't help you on your mission/because she gave Shep's body to cerberus (...and nobody forces you to buy DLC or the comic series).

Nobody forces me to buy the game, either.  I purchased LotSB because I heard it was very wel done and was itchy for some new content.  I don't regret purchasing it because it was fun to play and provided nice bonuses.

And the fact that I can pass up the comics does not change the fact that they exist.  Liara is overmarketed, in my humble opinion.

But seriously, during LotSB, there wasn't a single douchey line to be said to Liara.  The cabin reunion scene was especially vomitrocious.  All I really wanted was one line to say, "I'm here to take down the Broker, not for you."  That would have been fine.  But no.

I guess you could say that this is a recurring problem for all returning squadmates, but the fact that Liara had a three hour mission attached to her, which was mostly hugs and kisses, might I add, made it incredibly annoying.

[AdmiralCheez]

jbblue05 wrote...

I told Garrus to F off in ME1 and my Shepard is buddy-buddy with him in ME2

You have the luxury of killing his ass.  Liara still has plot armor.

In fact, you know what?  I'd like Liara a lot more if she weren't immortal.  When you have to make an effort to protect something, you can't help but feel that it's valuable.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 27 février 2011 - 06:58 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I didnt have any strong likes or dislikes on any of them.

I wanted to chime in on the Ashley racist thing though. If you talk to the human supremesist politition on the citadel with Ashley in the group, she yells at him for being racist towards aliens.. so apparently she changes her mind as the game proceeds.

[Xilizhra]

Isn't the Shadow Broker... like, not much of a threat to you? Why would you try killing him if not for Liara, unless you want all of Cerberus' potential competitors dead?

[AdmiralCheez]

Xilizhra wrote...

Isn't the Shadow Broker... like, not much of a threat to you? Why would you try killing him if not for Liara, unless you want all of Cerberus' potential competitors dead?

Why yes, there is clearing the way for TIM's dominance (which I'd never do, but some would).  There's also the fact that he's bascially got the entire galaxy under his thumb and tried to sell me to the Collectors.

[Zulu_DFA]

nevar00 wrote...

lmao Garrus, more of a brown noser in ME 2 than 1? The guy had no opinion in the first game and would just go along with whatever crap Shephard told him. In the second game at least he began to develop his own opinions on stuff like how to deal with criminals like Sidonis, Harkin, etc. Granted you can stop him but in the first game, all you have to do is talk to him to change his opinion and he'll blindly go with what you say.

This is a misconception common among Garrus' fanboys and girls, who love him for his ME2 brown nosing.

In fact, in ME1 Garrus was torn between his own opinion (which had quite formed by the time he met Shepard) and that of his daddy and Pallin. Shepard could only reinforce either of them. In ME2 Garrus' opinion is literally "What would Shepard do in my place?"

[Xilizhra]

Eh. Defining Shepard as more of a character in some way was a big step; doing so in any way was going to annoy some people, but I personally think they hit the LotSB nail right on the head.

Also, Liara's treatment in Genesis was, I thought, actually pretty good; the problem was that everything else sucked.

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

This is a misconception common among Garrus' fanboys and girls, who love him for his ME2 brown nosing.

In fact, in ME1 Garrus was torn between his own opinion (which had quite formed by the time he met Shepard) and that of his daddy and Pallin. Shepard could only reinforce either of them. In ME2 Garrus' opinion is literally "What would Shepard do in my place?"

Even though he blatantly disagrees with you if you try to paragon through his loyalty mission?

Honestly, I was surprised with how snappy he got with me when I told him to back off.

See, with Garrus, the fact that he agrees with you in ME1 no matter what can be cause for hate because it's annoying what a yes-man he is, or like because you feel like a mentor.  In ME2, his development can be loathed by paragons because he reverts right back to renegade-dom, only worse, or by renengades because he's basically Shepard Lite.  However, this change can be loved because he finally came into his own and knows who he is.  Additionally, he's more of a badass.

Subjective thread is subjective.  Barquiel's response to my stlight dislike of Liara is proof of this.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 27 février 2011 - 07:10 .

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

This is a misconception common among Garrus' fanboys and girls, who love him for his ME2 brown nosing.

In fact, in ME1 Garrus was torn between his own opinion (which had quite formed by the time he met Shepard) and that of his daddy and Pallin. Shepard could only reinforce either of them. In ME2 Garrus' opinion is literally "What would Shepard do in my place?"

Even though he blatantly disagrees with you if you try to paragon through his loyalty mission?

Also when you leave some Salarian to die in Thane recruitment he will say: "We can't just leave him Shepard."

Then Meer does some awesome work: "We can and we will.":devil:

[Ahriman]

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh. Defining Shepard as more of a character in some way was a big step; doing so in any way was going to annoy some people, but I personally think they hit the LotSB nail right on the head.

And suddenly there is Liara bar in your signature. It's not "some way", it's the way you like. Sorry, but your statement is more subjective than you think.

[Xilizhra]

Wizz wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh. Defining Shepard as more of a character in some way was a big step; doing so in any way was going to annoy some people, but I personally think they hit the LotSB nail right on the head.

And suddenly there is Liara bar in your signature. It's not "some way", it's the way you like. Sorry, but your statement is more subjective than you think.

Well, Liara's the only squadmate who can't die and the only one who has actual plot importance in ME1; aside from my loving her, I think that liking Liara was an option that made practical sense as well.

[Zulu_DFA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

This is a misconception common among Garrus' fanboys and girls, who love him for his ME2 brown nosing.

In fact, in ME1 Garrus was torn between his own opinion (which had quite formed by the time he met Shepard) and that of his daddy and Pallin. Shepard could only reinforce either of them. In ME2 Garrus' opinion is literally "What would Shepard do in my place?"

Even though he blatantly disagrees with you if you try to paragon through his loyalty mission?

Honestly, I was surprised with how snappy he got with me when I told him to back off.

See, with Garrus, the fact that he agrees with you in ME1 no matter what can be cause for hate because it's annoying what a yes-man he is, or like because you feel like a mentor.  In ME2, his development can be loathed by paragons because he reverts right back to renegade-dom, only worse, or by renengades because he's basically Shepard Lite.  However, this change can be loved because he finally came into his own and knows who he is.  Additionally, he's more of a badass.

Subjective thread is subjective.  Barquiel's response to my stlight dislike of Liara is proof of this.

Um... You mean the loyalty mission where he can magically convert into a Mary Sue in the end?

[Xilizhra]

Letting someone go counts as Suish?

[tonnactus]

Garrus.I liked him in the game first but nearly hated him in the second.Playing space batman on omega is so braindead(like aria mentioned: A dumb turian,trying to bring in law in place where it never existed).In fact,he is responsible for the death of his people.They never stood a chance and it was just a matter of time when they would loose against the other mercs

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Um... You mean the loyalty mission where he can magically convert into a Mary Sue in the end?

Oh, you mean the part where seeing an old friend voluntarily putting his head in the scope makes him realize that allowing himself to be consumed by revenge can only end badly for himself and the people around him?

Alas, interpretations...

@tonnactus: I actually agree with you there.  That was an exceptionally dumb move on his part, but doing something heroically stupid is expected from him.  However, I don't dislike characters just because I disagree with them on what is "right" or what is "smart."  For example, I hate Samara's Code and Tali's opinion on the geth, but I recognize that the fact that their views frustrate me is a sign of good writing.

I'm also an athiest whose best friend is a Fundamentalist Christian.  I'm used to caring about people I disagree with to the point of rage.  I guess who we like/dislike in a videogame is greatly influenced by who we are in real life.

I suppose this also extends to Liara in some way--as someone who enjoys learning about literary/marketing tricks, I can pick them out easily with her, and it annoys me.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 27 février 2011 - 07:26 .

[Ahriman]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Liara's the only squadmate who can't die and the only one who has actual plot importance in ME1; aside from my loving her, I think that liking Liara was an option that made practical sense as well.

My point is that you like more defined Shepard because that matches your vision of him/her.

[The_Illusive]

Hmm, if Garrus was a human, I'll bet he would have glasses but a bodybuilder body

[tonnactus]

jeweledleah wrote...


Ash was born about one year after start of first contact war.

She knew what a geth was on eden prime...

[AdmiralCheez]

tonnactus wrote...

She knew what a geth was on eden prime...

She made an educated guess based on what she'd learned in school.  Probably a "survey of galactic history" that everyone takes in tenth grade.

[jeweledleah]

tonnactus wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...


Ash was born about one year after start of first contact war.

She knew what a geth was on eden prime...

and Shepard knew what heat sinks were, after waking up in lasarus facility, even though they were developed after shepard's death.

and Miranda recognized collectors on sight, even though she goes on to say that most people think they are as much of a myth as reapers and that very few people had actualy seen them (which brings up some very interesting questions about Miranda)

mass effect games are great, but they are certainly not plot hole free.  There are occasional "huh" moments that happen with every character, so you really ought to look at an overall picture.