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[Dubya75]

So many people are complaining about DA2 saying it is "dumbed down". I really don't get where this opinion originated from.
None of us have played the full game so how do we know it is "dumbed down"?  
What's been stripped out of DA2 that was in Origins? I'd really like to know!
Is it the fact that there is no longer the same tactical view? Is it the combat? Because really, these are the only things we've really seen so far.
Now my intention for this thread is NOT to have another ranting session, instead I just want to get some facts about this "dumbed down" label.
So unless you have something concrete to contribute towards justifying a "dumbed down" label, please don't bother.
Go!

[Chromie]

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

[Kopawapatezi]

I guess a factor is that the remainder of the part is less customizable, I guess.

[Lennonkun]

Ringo12 wrote...

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

Protip: If a demo fails to grasp its audience then it bodes ill for the game.

[SnowHeart1]

Dubya75 wrote...

Now my intention for this thread is NOT to have another ranting session, instead I just want to get some facts about this "dumbed down" label.

 Impossible. 

[Anathemic]

Ringo12 wrote...

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

Y'know a demo is suppose to be a first-look/preview of the actual game, hands-on experience. It's not mind staggering to think that opinions can't form about the game...

Or did the purpose of a demo change when I wasn't looking?

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

WELL I WILL GIVE MY TAKE THEN LEAVE BEFORE THE WAR STARTS. THE ANIMATIONS ARE OVER THE TOP. AND THATS IT. YOU DO THE SAME ACTIONS AND ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THINGS. YOU STILL USE TACTICS...ETC. YOU JUST LOOK PERTY DOING IT. (CAPSLOCK AN ACCIDENT)

[Bigdoser]

I agree with TG the combat is exactly the same as DAO only difference is that you look more pretty.

[Dubya75]

Ringo12 wrote...

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

Yes, that's exactly what I think. I'd really like to hear from the dumb-downers though. They must know something we don't right?

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Anathemic wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

Y'know a demo is suppose to be a first-look/preview of the actual game, hands-on experience. It's not mind staggering to think that opinions can't form about the game...

Or did the purpose of a demo change when I wasn't looking?

nothing wrong with basing ur opinion on combat since that was to me the main focus. but alot are forming opinions on the story and other functions that were not the main focus.

[FieryDove]

Dubya75 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

Yes, that's exactly what I think. I'd really like to hear from the dumb-downers though. They must know something we don't right?

It's an ugly war with NO winners.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

I like this one better actually

[DraksisBG]

 It's not dumbed down, people see faster animations and freak out like The Joker on a good day.

I will admit that at least for now, based on what we've seen from the demo, combat has shifted from battling few (sometimes a bit more), but powerful enemies, to fighting mini-bosses with a lot of "filler-henchmen" is something of a bother, because we have more massive fights in which more enemies die rather quickly, but to be honest, that's where this notion stems from - with the death of multiple foes at once and very flashy combat.

As always, I'll reserve my judgement until I get to play the full game, but until then, I'm not leaning on speculation.

Modifié par DraksisBG, 26 février 2011 - 06:12 .

[JulianoV]

I wonder why they'd even bother with a demo. You simply can't summarize an integral RPG experience properly. The game seems to be streamlined and less "old-school", so one can easily be put off by it without the usual time, variety and control to master the mechanics and grow attached to both setting, characters and artstyle.

[Anathemic]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

Y'know a demo is suppose to be a first-look/preview of the actual game, hands-on experience. It's not mind staggering to think that opinions can't form about the game...

Or did the purpose of a demo change when I wasn't looking?

nothing wrong with basing ur opinion on combat since that was to me the main focus. but alot are forming opinions on the story and other functions that were not the main focus.

The OP was focusing on gameplay aspects and I assume that's what his point was, again there's no reason for people to be shocked and disgusted when people judge a demo to be a representation of a game, that's what a demo is.

[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Anathemic wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Because everyone has played the demo so by going on that they judged a game before it's out.

Y'know a demo is suppose to be a first-look/preview of the actual game, hands-on experience. It's not mind staggering to think that opinions can't form about the game...

Or did the purpose of a demo change when I wasn't looking?

nothing wrong with basing ur opinion on combat since that was to me the main focus. but alot are forming opinions on the story and other functions that were not the main focus.

The OP was focusing on gameplay aspects and I assume that's what his point was, again there's no reason for people to be shocked and disgusted when people judge a demo to be a representation of a game, that's what a demo is.

not disagreeing with you. im just saying that the most vocal seem to be yelling things like everything sucks because one thing they dont like. there are extremists on both sides.

[FieryDove]

Anathemic wrote...

The OP was focusing on gameplay aspects and I assume that's what his point was, again there's no reason for people to be shocked and disgusted when people judge a demo to be a representation of a game, that's what a demo is.

The Dev's themselves have said basically its to sell the game, see if a person likes it or not. Many people don't visit this place and have no idea about the game. Marketing a demo helps with that.

[Ziggeh]

Dumbed Down: To make worse in some vague manner that I'm unable to describe at this point in time.

[Yoshileon]

The conversations are dumbed down as hell...
"Click here if you want to be good"
"Click here if you want to be bad"

It's exactly the same as mass effect conversation system, which I disliked because of this.
The only difference is that now it displays an icon.

Most people won't even read what they're answering...

EDIT: This is one of my favorite games, and i'm really looking forward for it. I just think the conversations are dumbed down a bit. sadly...

Modifié par Yoshileon, 26 février 2011 - 06:20 .

[Lennonkun]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...


I like this one better actually

Guess we better kill the government then.

Elitism and elite theory runs the world, get used to it.

[Bigdoser]

Yoshileon wrote...

The conversations are dumbed down as hell...
"Click here if you want to be good"
"Click here if you want to be bad"

It's exactly the same as mass effect conversation system, which I disliked because of this.
The only difference is that now it displays an icon.

Most people won't even read what they're answering...

You are wrong there is no good and bad option in the dialouge eg. using the threat tone at the templar saying if he touches beth or goes near her he will punch him in the face.

[Ziggeh]

Yoshileon wrote...

Most people won't even read what they're answering...

Which affects you how?

[Archereon]

The SUPER NINJA combat speeds annoy me, but otherwise, it's not all that dumbed down from what I've seen. However, I must say that the lack of a crafting system/skills system is worrying, and it looks as if the new persuasion system (Mass Effect system with 3 options instead of two, and no visible meters) is going to be a cluster ****. The biggest worry I have is the "rune" system that's supposed to replace inventory for companions. If it's no more complicated than the ME2 "upgrade system", then yes, the game has been dumbed down in that aspect.

Modifié par Archereon, 26 février 2011 - 06:21 .

[Yoshileon]

Bigdoser wrote...

Yoshileon wrote...

The conversations are dumbed down as hell...
"Click here if you want to be good"
"Click here if you want to be bad"

It's exactly the same as mass effect conversation system, which I disliked because of this.
The only difference is that now it displays an icon.

Most people won't even read what they're answering...

You are wrong there is no good and bad option in the dialouge eg. using the threat tone at the templar saying if he touches beth or goes near her he will punch him in the face.

Ok, then <click here to say what a good guy would say>. Consequences are a different topic. Doesn't matter