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[IssackHawkeFTW]

Dubya75 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

rhautanen wrote...

Darkeus has decided that his opinion is "right" and any differing opinion is wrong. It's probably futile to discuss it with him further.

Sort of like how you guys think your opinion is right?  How DA2 sucks because you say so?  Give me a break...<_<

Lol, that is the pot calling the kettle black....

Please..

No, I just happen to have a little common sense and don't FREAK OUT over a demo and a game THAT ISN'T OUT YET!!!!

Dude, I want to hang out with you! 

I wnat too hang out with both of you xD

[F4d3s]

AlanC9 wrote...

Well, looking at F4d3s' list, the things that strikes me is that a lot of those aren't simplification or trivialization. For instance, not having the top-down camera available may actually make the game harder to play They may very well be things you don't like, but that doesn't make the game simpler or more trivial to play.

The only way the dialog wheel makes things simpler is if the player doesn't really care what Hawke is saying, but a player who feels this way doesn't really have to read the responses in previous Bio games either. You could get all the way to the Temple Summit in KotOR and pick LS choices all the way just by always picking the top choice. We know people did this because they complained about it when Bio suddenly reversed the order in a certain dialog there.

As for weapon penetration, that was removed because the DAO implementation failed. You were always better off going with damage anyway because of item scaling.

good point..i hope you're right. I only enough about Bio's history starting with ME so i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and get the full game before making final judgements.

[Dubya75]

Drake Sigar wrote...

I give up, you two are three fries short of a happy meal. All I hear these past weeks is “wait for the demo, wait for the demo” and now those chants have switched to “wait for the full game.” I can’t afford to buy every video game I have a passing interest in, I have not replaced my toilet roll with hundred dollar bills. If the demo fails to convince me to buy the full game, that’s THEIR failure. It’s the entire point of a demo!

You'll read reviews of the full game and mark my words, you will buy it. Yes, I have faith in Bioware, they have a very good track record. Do you really think they are going to foul up their Dragon Age franchise just like that?
Be honest with yourself man, you want to play Dragon Age II. Chances are, you'll buy it the first chance you get! 

[Darkeus]

Drake Sigar wrote...

I give up, you two are three fries short of a happy meal. All I hear these past weeks is “wait for the demo, wait for the demo” and now those chants have switched to “wait for the full game.” I can’t afford to buy every video game I have a passing interest in, I have not replaced my toilet roll with hundred dollar bills. If the demo fails to convince me to buy the full game, that’s THEIR failure. It’s the entire point of a demo!

Again, the pot calling the kettle black.

Insanity = saying a game sucks before it has been released.  Come on, that is just a little batty!

And you never heard me say, "Wait for the demo" because of my expressed misgivings about demos anyway.

Wait for player reviews.  Wait for reviews period, then make an opinion.  But not when A game is a week or so away from release....

[Dubya75]

IssackHawkeFTW wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

rhautanen wrote...

Darkeus has decided that his opinion is "right" and any differing opinion is wrong. It's probably futile to discuss it with him further.

Sort of like how you guys think your opinion is right?  How DA2 sucks because you say so?  Give me a break...<_<

Lol, that is the pot calling the kettle black....

Please..

No, I just happen to have a little common sense and don't FREAK OUT over a demo and a game THAT ISN'T OUT YET!!!!

Dude, I want to hang out with you! 

I wnat too hang out with both of you xD

No. 

[Darkeus]

rhautanen wrote...

Sort of like how you guys think your opinion is right? How DA2 sucks because you say so? Give me a break

I haven't told you my opinion is "right". I've told you my opinion is different than yours. To assume you know what I "think" is pretty arrogant indeed. Plus, I never said DA2 sucks. That is a lie. I was just giving my opinion who how DA2 might be dumbed down, or why others might be saying DA2 is dumbed down. You seem to have filled in a lot of other stuff with your imagination.

But dumbed down is not valid either, since you have not played the full game. 

It is still your opinion, just the same as it is your opinion about dialog options that make no difference mechanically but do in your head...

I have not said my opinion is right either, but again, I am not the ones freaking out about an unreleased game...

[IssackHawkeFTW]

Guys...keep in mind: This MAY be a build going back all the way too October (OCTOBER) dot judge It now.
EDIT: Hey...If I have a chicken avatar because I cnat find a Hawke avatar dosent mean I am a edible un-hang with-able person >.>

Modifié par IssackHawkeFTW, 26 février 2011 - 08:13 .

[Darkeus]

Dubya75 wrote...

IssackHawkeFTW wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

rhautanen wrote...

Darkeus has decided that his opinion is "right" and any differing opinion is wrong. It's probably futile to discuss it with him further.

Sort of like how you guys think your opinion is right?  How DA2 sucks because you say so?  Give me a break...<_<

Lol, that is the pot calling the kettle black....

Please..

No, I just happen to have a little common sense and don't FREAK OUT over a demo and a game THAT ISN'T OUT YET!!!!

Dude, I want to hang out with you! 

I wnat too hang out with both of you xD

No. 

Aw see, you have to have a Sten face jpg when you write No like that! 

[Darkeus]

IssackHawkeFTW wrote...

Guys...keep in mind: This MAY be a build going back all the way too October (OCTOBER) dot judge It now.
EDIT: Hey...If I have a chicken avatar because I cnat find a Hawke avatar dosent mean I am a edible un-hang with-able person >.>

Hey, we like you.  Chicken Avatar aand all! 

[AkiKishi]

Tleining wrote...

while you are not trying to make it look as if they did? Mass Effect wasn't the only game that had those. But somehow, using something that has been used in Mass Effect, mass-effects-DragonAge. It couldn't just mean that those are good ideas, it couldn't mean, that the devs are able to keep the original DA feeling intact, while spicing it up a bit with new things. It has to be something bad.

I know, that Bioware didn't create Alpha Protocol, but a lot of people want Bioware to make a game more like that, and look, something that was used there is used here, yet it's bad, because it was in Mass Effect.

Is there any way, Bioware can win here? Should they have created the same game with a different story again? PiranhaBytes/Pluto13 did that, sadly, i don't think they will exist much longer.

I obviously was in response to the tagline.

I don't mind the wheel I mind the paraphrasing that goes with it.

Alhpa protocol like a lot of Obsidian stuff was a flawed gem. If Obsidian ever hit the "sweet spot" Bioware should watch their backs.

Well being less extreme in the changes seems to be a way they could "win". You could speed up combat without making it look cartoony , that would placate tons of people for example.
Do away with keywords entirely and just have the intent, that gets rid of any wheel related problems.
It also does away with any idea that it's YOUR character, but that's ok since its true anyway and would not bother most people who really just want to direct their own story rather than roleplay.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 26 février 2011 - 08:16 .

[Dubya75]

Darkeus wrote...

Aw see, you have to have a Sten face jpg when you write No like that! 

I don't know how to embed images. 

[IssackHawkeFTW]

Alpha Protocol couldve been a very unique, cool RPG,

But guess what, bugs, broken AI, and stuff like that made It one generic heck of a mess.

[JrayM16]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Tleining wrote...

while you are not trying to make it look as if they did? Mass Effect wasn't the only game that had those. But somehow, using something that has been used in Mass Effect, mass-effects-DragonAge. It couldn't just mean that those are good ideas, it couldn't mean, that the devs are able to keep the original DA feeling intact, while spicing it up a bit with new things. It has to be something bad.

I know, that Bioware didn't create Alpha Protocol, but a lot of people want Bioware to make a game more like that, and look, something that was used there is used here, yet it's bad, because it was in Mass Effect.

Is there any way, Bioware can win here? Should they have created the same game with a different story again? PiranhaBytes/Pluto13 did that, sadly, i don't think they will exist much longer.

I obviously was in response to the tagline.

I don't mind the wheel I mind the paraphrasing that goes with it.

Alhpa protocol like a lot of Obsidian stuff was a flawed gem. If Obsidian ever hit the "sweet spot" Bioware should watch their backs.

Well being less extreme in the changes seems to be a way they could "win". You could speed up combat without making it look cartoony , that would placate tons of people for example.
Do away with keywords entirely and just have the intent, that gets rid of any wheel related problems.
It also does away with any idea that it's YOUR character, but that's ok since its true anyway and would not bother most people who really just want to direct their own story rather than roleplay.

Indeed.  Obsidian has always come really close to being the top RPG maker out there in my opinion.

[AkiKishi]

IssackHawkeFTW wrote...

Alpha Protocol couldve been a very unique, cool RPG,
But guess what, bugs, broken AI, and stuff like that made It one generic heck of a mess.

The actual RPG stuff was really well done. The reaction of that woman after you choose to save her totally unexpected. But the gameplay sucked hard it was so out of date and really just made it a shooter rather than giving you any real freedom.

If they had focused more on the mechanics as well as the RPG stuff could have been great. Same story with Obsidian though, they are great storytellers (better than Bioware I'd say) but they always get let down by the technical side of things.

Only PST really turned out "right" and it was too niche to make any real impact.

[Darkeus]

IssackHawkeFTW wrote...

Alpha Protocol couldve been a very unique, cool RPG,
But guess what, bugs, broken AI, and stuff like that made It one generic heck of a mess.

Alpha Protocol, a very flawed gem with some damn good ideas....

[rhautanen]

But dumbed down is not valid either, since you have not played the full game.

If you read everything I posted you'll see I said right up front that I would play the whole game before developing my personal opinion on whether it was "dumbed down". After that I was talking about things that "might be" dumbed down. Also, you presumably have not played the full game yet either. So you don't know that it's NOT dumbed down, and even if it's not dumbed down for your personal taste (or my personal taste) it still might be dumbed down for others.

[IssackHawkeFTW]

I think that the reason there Is no race change Is because of the voice acting. You cant have a Dwarfen Hawke or Elvish Hawke talk with a british english accent for example.

[Darkeus]

rhautanen wrote...

But dumbed down is not valid either, since you have not played the full game.

If you read everything I posted you'll see I said right up front that I would play the whole game before developing my personal opinion on whether it was "dumbed down". After that I was talking about things that "might be" dumbed down. Also, you presumably have not played the full game yet either. So you don't know that it's NOT dumbed down, and even if it's not dumbed down for your personal taste (or my personal taste) it still might be dumbed down for others.

Indeed, but I would never presume to say it is or not.

I am remarking about the tech I have seen in the demo (As flawed as it may be since it is older code).

And again, dumbed down is a subjective opinion, not a valid fact, especially since the game has not been released.

I have never said the game is not dumbed down or not.   I have said that I cannot make a true judgement until the FULL GAME comes out.  However, I do take exception to saying the conversation wheel dumbs down the game when that is unfounded and it has been proven that the DA:O full text lines are not as complex as people think.  Gamplay wise, you have many options that lead to only a few outcomes. 

I am talking in a gameplay aspect, not what the game should do because you want text that may not lead anywhere different "But it helps me "immerse" myself in the character".

[Nirala]

Lol, seriously people, how long are you going to argue about this? Got nothing better to do? It's BioWare, for God's sake! The game is gonna be good. I've been with them since KotOR. They don't make games that aren't good.

[rhautanen]

Speaking of DAO text, I have a mod I need to get back to and finish (which was sposed to be done two months ago). I'll have trouble modding DA2 I think, all my dialog would end up being the "wiseass" response so there would only ever be one choice on every wheel;)

[Dubya75]

Nirala wrote...

Lol, seriously people, how long are you going to argue about this? Got nothing better to do? It's BioWare, for God's sake! The game is gonna be good. I've been with them since KotOR. They don't make games that aren't good.

Well I'm satisfied with what I've read here so will let this beast live out its life. 

[rhautanen]

The game is gonna be good. I've been with them since KotOR. They don't make games that aren't good.

I agree the game will be at least "very good". Whether it will be "great" (like DAO) is the real question!

(I mean look at my signature. Does that not tell you what I think of BW?)

Modifié par rhautanen, 26 février 2011 - 08:43 .

[rhautanen]

Got nothing better to do?

Actually no I don't. I've got the flu, and don't have much choice but to do this, watch TV, or take a nap

[Bone-Dragon]

I liked Dragon Age Origins on the PC.

I hated Dragon Age Origins on the PS3/360

The Dragon Age 2 Demo plays like the PS3/360 Version on both the PC and 360/PS3 version

Hence why I am hating the demo

And a Demo is by definition a sample of the final product, hence it makes a lot of sense to believe that I will end up hating Dragon Age 2



Why? Because when I sat down and played DA:O on PC, I felt like I was playing an old Baldur's Gate RPG with a better ruleset. Now, I feel like I'm playing a Poorly developed Over-the-Shoulder Hyper MMORPG where I have to swap viewpoints with every character as if I was multiboxing. Thats not fun at all. Thats what made the PS3/360 versions terrible.



And what really pisses me off is that I pre-ordered/purchased it off Steam already, after already getting screwed once by being denied the Prince DLC for that choice. If I could, I would take my money back in an instant since this DA2 is a bastardized version from a consoles viewpoint of DA;O.





Mass Effect 2's combat worked fine because it was all ranged/cover based. Trying to play a Warrior with the same shoulder view looking far into the foreground does not work when your attack range is only a couple of meters at all times. Why would I want to look into the far distance? Once in combat, you can't see anything since you can't zoom out since all the darkspawn are in your camera view.

[IssackHawkeFTW]

The only better thing I can do right now Is look for a way how too unlock the god damn Ser Issac Clarke armor for PS3, which I cant find how o.e

Well....I think that both sides expressed they're opinions.