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[Eshme]

Well i suppose it is in the demo. It is rather light to chew on, the gameplay thats in it is fully reactive, what you refer to as action. Making sure casual players cannot pick a wrong choice, It all leads to another, complexities are withering, imo referred to as dumbed down. This is in the Demo no doubt, and now you tell me the Demo doesnt stand for conclusive Demonstration.

[Johnson45]

DAO + DA2 + rose tinted glasses = the dumbing down argument, imo.

[AlanC9]

Bone-Dragon wrote...
Why? Because when I sat down and played DA:O on PC, I felt like I was playing an old Baldur's Gate RPG with a better ruleset. Now, I feel like I'm playing a Poorly developed Over-the-Shoulder Hyper MMORPG where I have to swap viewpoints with every character as if I was multiboxing. Thats not fun at all. Thats what made the PS3/360 versions terrible.

There's nothing wrong with feeling that way about the camera, as long as you're not saying that losing the top-down view = dumbed down. It's the top-down view itself that's dumbed-down, since if gives the player access to a view of the battle field that his character simply doesn't have.

[rhautanen]

I'll admit the demo has grown on me the more I've played it. Only true gripe I could make right now regards Isabela. Nose pierce would be WAY hotter!

[IssackHawkeFTW]

Lol...I know this sounds effed up...but imagine If you can make a relaitionship with your sister in this game? xD that would be.....disturbing.

And my only gripe in the demo is that as a Mage, your companion sucks.

[rhautanen]

It's the top-down view itself that's dumbed-down, since if gives the player access to a view of the battle field that his character simply doesn't have.

What? Can't caste big spells around corners while remaining completely safe from attack any more. Gonna need to find all new exploits I guess

[Bone-Dragon]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bone-Dragon wrote...
Why? Because when I sat down and played DA:O on PC, I felt like I was playing an old Baldur's Gate RPG with a better ruleset. Now, I feel like I'm playing a Poorly developed Over-the-Shoulder Hyper MMORPG where I have to swap viewpoints with every character as if I was multiboxing. Thats not fun at all. Thats what made the PS3/360 versions terrible.

There's nothing wrong with feeling that way about the camera, as long as you're not saying that losing the top-down view = dumbed down. It's the top-down view itself that's dumbed-down, since if gives the player access to a view of the battle field that his character simply doesn't have.

That was the dumbest thing I have ever read. I get the impression you never played Baldurs Gate or Icewind Dale. Realism shouldn't factor into games, especially if it makes the game less fun.

[_F34R3D_]

The only things that really bug me are the loss of top down view(Makes it difficult to laydown the AoE bubble on uneven terrain and at long distances)



And the weapon restrictions (I wanted to be a bow-wielding mage )

[rhautanen]

The only things that really bug me are the loss of top down view(Makes it difficult to laydown the AoE bubble on uneven terrain and at long distances)

Oohhh. Good point. If DA2 has big AOE spells like DAO. Does it?

[Nashiktal]

Yoshileon wrote...

The conversations are dumbed down as hell...
"Click here if you want to be good"
"Click here if you want to be bad"

So... Just like Dragon Age Origins?

[Bone-Dragon]

rhautanen wrote...

The only things that really bug me are the loss of top down view(Makes it difficult to laydown the AoE bubble on uneven terrain and at long distances)

Oohhh. Good point. If DA2 has big AOE spells like DAO. Does it?

Well, to compensate for the removed "Dumb-Downed" top-down as some call it, they have removed FF entirely from the game (possibly on in NM mode, but probably not). The more I look into the changes in DA2, the more Im hating it...

No more FF, no more Top-Down Tactical control, Dialogue now split into Friendly/Funny/Rogue instead of old options which required thinking about the NPC's personality before speaking to get the desired outcomes, etc.

[Johnson45]

Nashiktal wrote...

Yoshileon wrote...

The conversations are dumbed down as hell...
"Click here if you want to be good"
"Click here if you want to be bad"

So... Just like Dragon Age Origins?

Only this time in DA2 you can't interpret the line different to how it was intended, so now you can be sure of what your saying and not misinterpreting the tone.... but hey, this is one argument that doesn't stack up to the "Bu-bu-bu-but pictures are for braindead casual console dumb gamers!"

[Nashiktal]

Possibly in nightmare mode? FF is in nightmare mode.



Not liking changes is understandable but people toss the dumbed down word way too much.

[tonnactus]

Even compared to Dragon Age Origins casual the difficulty in the demo was childplay.

[Nashiktal]

Johnson45 wrote...

Only this time in DA2 you can't interpret the line different to how it was intended, so now you can be sure of what your saying and not misinterpreting the tone.... but hey, this is one argument that doesn't stack up to the "Bu-bu-bu-but pictures are for braindead casual console dumb gamers!"

Hell if people don't like the paraphrasing that's great. Everyone has an opinion. However people don't seem to realize despite VISUAL difference, it is the exact same thing. For once this is actually the proper use of the term *streamlined.* The choices are in the same format, but rearranged on a wheel.

As for paraphrasing... Well I can understand that one. Its just a good portion of the complaints seem to point to how the dialoge systems been dumbed down, when the only thing thats changed is how its presented. The core is the same.

[Bone-Dragon]

FF was on in Normal, Hard, and Nightmare on the PC versions because players were expected to control their party correctly, unlike the console version which had it removed so you could just run in blindly. Take away control and you have to dumb it down.

[The Elder King]

tonnactus wrote...

Even compared to Dragon Age Origins casual the difficulty in the demo was childplay.

Really? I finished all the Origins with my PC alone, stopping companions, at Normal. To me the difficulty, for the start, is at the same level.

[Night Prowler76]

Bigdoser wrote...

Ah I remeber david saying something like that if your hawke is normally diplomatic you will get special diplomatic options if your hawke is sarcastic most of the time you get charm and if you use intimidate tone you get intimidate options. If people are complaining about this it makes no sense because if someone is realisticly nice/diplomatic how would they be able to intimidate someone if they hardly ever do it? RPing wise I like this change.

Its just like Mass Effect 2, the more Paragon you built up, the more paragon dialogue options opened up, same with renegade, the only difference is you wont see the meter, they are just copying the ME system.

Works ok for ME, for a fantasy RPG, it seems abit silly.

[IssackHawkeFTW]

If anybody Is basing the difficulty on the begining of the demo....that Is just wrong. its a ''fake'' story, It will be exaggerated how much powerfull Hawke is in it.

[Night Prowler76]

Nashiktal wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Only this time in DA2 you can't interpret the line different to how it was intended, so now you can be sure of what your saying and not misinterpreting the tone.... but hey, this is one argument that doesn't stack up to the "Bu-bu-bu-but pictures are for braindead casual console dumb gamers!"

Hell if people don't like the paraphrasing that's great. Everyone has an opinion. However people don't seem to realize despite VISUAL difference, it is the exact same thing. For once this is actually the proper use of the term *streamlined.* The choices are in the same format, but rearranged on a wheel.

As for paraphrasing... Well I can understand that one. Its just a good portion of the complaints seem to point to how the dialoge systems been dumbed down, when the only thing thats changed is how its presented. The core is the same.

False, in Origins the dialogue is written in text, you know EXACTLY what your Warden would say, in DA2, like ME, you GUESS what your character will say based on 3 choices, nice, neutral and jerk, and sometimes in ME the options didnt match the lines very well, I noticed that on a few ocassions, this wheel is a hand holding system for dialogue because you cant really make a mistake with story progression.

With Origins, some of the dialogue was in the grey area, and I prefer that to the wheel anyday.

[Nashiktal]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Only this time in DA2 you can't interpret the line different to how it was intended, so now you can be sure of what your saying and not misinterpreting the tone.... but hey, this is one argument that doesn't stack up to the "Bu-bu-bu-but pictures are for braindead casual console dumb gamers!"

Hell if people don't like the paraphrasing that's great. Everyone has an opinion. However people don't seem to realize despite VISUAL difference, it is the exact same thing. For once this is actually the proper use of the term *streamlined.* The choices are in the same format, but rearranged on a wheel.

As for paraphrasing... Well I can understand that one. Its just a good portion of the complaints seem to point to how the dialoge systems been dumbed down, when the only thing thats changed is how its presented. The core is the same.

False, in Origins the dialogue is written in text, you know EXACTLY what your Warden would say, in DA2, like ME, you GUESS what your character will say based on 3 choices, nice, neutral and jerk, and sometimes in ME the options didnt match the lines very well, I noticed that on a few ocassions, this wheel is a hand holding system for dialogue because you cant really make a mistake with story progression.

With Origins, some of the dialogue was in the grey area, and I prefer that to the wheel anyday.

Not only did you miss the point in my post, you apparently didnt play much of origins.

[Johnson45]

Nashiktal wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Only this time in DA2 you can't interpret the line different to how it was intended, so now you can be sure of what your saying and not misinterpreting the tone.... but hey, this is one argument that doesn't stack up to the "Bu-bu-bu-but pictures are for braindead casual console dumb gamers!"

Hell if people don't like the paraphrasing that's great. Everyone has an opinion. However people don't seem to realize despite VISUAL difference, it is the exact same thing. For once this is actually the proper use of the term *streamlined.* The choices are in the same format, but rearranged on a wheel.

As for paraphrasing... Well I can understand that one. Its just a good portion of the complaints seem to point to how the dialoge systems been dumbed down, when the only thing thats changed is how its presented. The core is the same.

 Thing is, if we could see the lines before they were chosen then how can they justify a voiced character? The cons would most likely outweigh the pros, if you know what the exact line is then would you really sit through and listen to the character speak it, especially if in your opinion you don't like the voice?
 And I don't understand the hate for the wheel, especially since its easier to just flick the stick and hit a button than to cycle through 6 lines to pick your favourite.

[IssackHawkeFTW]

Yes, It was written in text, but you dont know exactly the tone of the text, which could take the storyline too somewhere you DIDINT want.

[Nashiktal]

Johnson45 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Only this time in DA2 you can't interpret the line different to how it was intended, so now you can be sure of what your saying and not misinterpreting the tone.... but hey, this is one argument that doesn't stack up to the "Bu-bu-bu-but pictures are for braindead casual console dumb gamers!"

Hell if people don't like the paraphrasing that's great. Everyone has an opinion. However people don't seem to realize despite VISUAL difference, it is the exact same thing. For once this is actually the proper use of the term *streamlined.* The choices are in the same format, but rearranged on a wheel.

As for paraphrasing... Well I can understand that one. Its just a good portion of the complaints seem to point to how the dialoge systems been dumbed down, when the only thing thats changed is how its presented. The core is the same.

 Thing is, if we could see the lines before they were chosen then how can they justify a voiced character? The cons would most likely outweigh the pros, if you know what the exact line is then would you really sit through and listen to the character speak it, especially if in your opinion you don't like the voice?
 And I don't understand the hate for the wheel, especially since its easier to just flick the stick and hit a button than to cycle through 6 lines to pick your favourite.

Wait what? I like the voice and the wheel. Who are you talking to?

[Johnson45]

Nashiktal wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Johnson45 wrote...

Only this time in DA2 you can't interpret the line different to how it was intended, so now you can be sure of what your saying and not misinterpreting the tone.... but hey, this is one argument that doesn't stack up to the "Bu-bu-bu-but pictures are for braindead casual console dumb gamers!"

Hell if people don't like the paraphrasing that's great. Everyone has an opinion. However people don't seem to realize despite VISUAL difference, it is the exact same thing. For once this is actually the proper use of the term *streamlined.* The choices are in the same format, but rearranged on a wheel.

As for paraphrasing... Well I can understand that one. Its just a good portion of the complaints seem to point to how the dialoge systems been dumbed down, when the only thing thats changed is how its presented. The core is the same.

 Thing is, if we could see the lines before they were chosen then how can they justify a voiced character? The cons would most likely outweigh the pros, if you know what the exact line is then would you really sit through and listen to the character speak it, especially if in your opinion you don't like the voice?
 And I don't understand the hate for the wheel, especially since its easier to just flick the stick and hit a button than to cycle through 6 lines to pick your favourite.

Wait what? I like the voice and the wheel. Who are you talking to?

Sorry should've been clearer, I'm with you man I was just going off on a tandem and speculating a little.

*brofist*