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[FieryDove]

Amioran wrote...

Some say it is because of  a concept that you have less choices now, but, also if this would be true, does it mean that if, for example, I'm used to go to restourant A to eat pizza and on B to eat cookies and then this last changes and cook pizza I will get a distaste for pizza?

Only if they do not wash the baking pans.

[Demo-Mike]

DanteGunZ wrote...

Ploppy wrote...

Rhjh20 wrote...

Content:8/10

+long campaign
+high replayability
+many main and side quests

So 15 hours is long for een rpg ?

I have the German article lying in front of me, and that's indeed what they're saying. The main quest is 12-15 hours, but it's also "long". I think he might be comparing it to ME2 and Arcania, which both have main quests that can be done in less time.

I was also confused by that, 15 hours isn't a long time for the playthrough of a game. (at least for myself)

It is for a shooter, but not for an RPG of this type.

Couple this with repetetive enviroments and you know they rushed this.

[Rompa87]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Amioran wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

Meanwhile every news about that "Other" game was positive. It sold a lot less than DA:O yet they did everything to improve the sequel...

You mean that game where you can only play as an human? You mean that other game that have even more "actiony" combat (not that the word is correct neither in this case, but since DA2 is thought as that...)? You mean that game that all said it will be shorter than the original but with less same content?

There's something I don't get. Aren't these the same things you don't like in DA2?

Hey buddy do you want to get into an argument about the "Other Game", I'm dieing with anticipation right now

No sorry, people are not automatically enlisted in fanbody club to hate everything else when they like something

I can like several stuff.

But ze game is an improvement from the previous one and DA II isn't

What do you know about it to say that with such certainty? I found there to be many things in DA:O that needed improvement that we haven't been shown in the demo whether or not DA2 does it better. I withhold judgement for the day the game has been released. Pretentious know-it-all's, who are "informing" us that ME2 is better than ME1, but has already judged DA2 to be worse than DA:O, don't have much credibility in my book

Modifié par Rompa87, 26 février 2011 - 09:26 .

[Chuvvy]

JrayM16 wrote...

Emphasis on "Take your time and explore everything the game has to offer."

Without that, Even Origins could be completed in minimal time.

Not 12 to 15 hours. My shortest playthrough of origins was 21 hours. That was doing only the MQ, skipping all the dialog and playing on normal.

[nijnij]

My first Origins playthrough took me 67 hours and I didn't even do most of the optional quests. Just took my times, interacted with companions a lot, spoke to everyone, etc. Isn't that what RPGs are about ?

[Anathemic]

Amioran wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
buddy do you want to get into an argument about the "Other Game", I'm dieing with anticipation right now

I would never dare ;-)

It sounds to me only as strange that people dislike many things in one game that are also in the "other", and when in this last, however, they say they like them. It is a bit of a controsense, don't you think?

Some say it is because of  a concept that you have less choices now, but, also if this would be true, does it mean that if, for example, I'm used to go to restourant A to eat pizza and on B to eat cookies and then this last changes and cook pizza I will get a distaste for pizza?

Not really a good analogy.

"Other Game" is supported and generally well-recieved because of a combination of factors, for the sake of this topic I'll go with the Development times.

DA:O to DA2 wasn't a major development time and people can debate whether this affects the quality or not. One is true however is that a longer development time gives more quality. This is why "Other Game" succeeds, because of the longer development time the fanbase can assume that drastic changes are occurring and generally are well recieved.

Granted if "Other Game" had a shorter development time, I expect it to have the same feedback for DA2 right now.

Now to fix your anology:

Restaurant A sells Pizzas
Restaurant B sells Cookies

Restaurant A spends 5 years to perfect a more awesome pizza
Restaurant B in a swift change of events decides to mesh Pizza into every cookie-related product in the menu

Modifié par Anathemic, 26 février 2011 - 09:27 .

[Abremms]

this is interesting, PC Gamer said in thier podcast that he spent about 50 hours on his playthrough for the review.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Above average compared to what? I havent seen many RPG's of this type latel.

Uhuh. I always thought that with Troika death, and Obsidian kinda lacking old weight, Bioware actually does't have *any* competition on market. Everything else, like Two Worlds, Divinity 2, ect, are more like babies who just try to stand on their feet, and Bethesda/Blizzard are really different folk.

But ol'Bi did well in DA:O, nevertheless.

[Chuvvy]

Demo-Mike wrote...

DanteGunZ wrote...

Ploppy wrote...

Rhjh20 wrote...

Content:8/10

+long campaign
+high replayability
+many main and side quests

So 15 hours is long for een rpg ?

I have the German article lying in front of me, and that's indeed what they're saying. The main quest is 12-15 hours, but it's also "long". I think he might be comparing it to ME2 and Arcania, which both have main quests that can be done in less time.

I was also confused by that, 15 hours isn't a long time for the playthrough of a game. (at least for myself)

It is for a shooter, but not for an RPG of this type.

Couple this with repetetive enviroments and you know they rushed this.

And you're in Kirkwall most of the game. Also the "lifeless enviroments" they mentioned.

[Ploppy]

Demo-Mike wrote...
Above average compared to what? I havent seen many RPG's of this type latel. 

Drakensang is insanely fun, but it's low budget.

It's a German magazine, so Drakensang is a natural comparison for any party based RPG. Probably ArcaniA and The Witcher too, even though their "companions" are more like special NPCs. You definitely have more dialogue with Fenris than you have with Triss or the witch, so it counts as a plus overall.

[ALVIG824]

kind of weird how the first box with all words is overall negative, but then the second box with the numbers is positive..... question mark

[Demo-Mike]

Abremms wrote...

this is interesting, PC Gamer said in thier podcast that he spent about 50 hours on his playthrough for the review.

Someone heere is showing bias.

But PC gamer also said

"THIS IS THE EBST RPG COMBAT EVER'

I don't know who

[ilostmycookie]

You know if you don't do everything in origins its only like 18 hours right?

[DanteGunZ]

Abremms wrote...

this is interesting, PC Gamer said in thier podcast that he spent about 50 hours on his playthrough for the review.

To each their own I suppose, I'm thinking I'll be putting far more time into my playthrough of Dragon Age 2 then "12-15 hours".

[Abremms]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Recycled environments... I shudder every time I think of it.

And constantly? I pray the reviewer is exaggerating...

by recycled enviroments, I assume he means the city of Kirkwall where the majority of the game happens. you see the city over the course of ten years, so surely a lot of stuff is ging to be similar.  This isn't a far ranging adventure around the world where every couple of hours you find yourself in a completely different climate.

[Amioran]

Anathemic wrote...

Now to fix your anology:

Restaurant A sells Pizzas
Restaurant B sells Cookies

Restaurant A spends 5 years to perfect a more awesome pizza
Restaurant B in a swift change of events decides to mesh Pizza into every cookie-related product in the menu

Sorry but no. I was talking of specific things, not on the whole. The combat in the "other" game is as "actiony" if not more than DA2. The character is an human. The game willl be shorter but without recycled quests.

Now, these things are also on DA2, only that just because it is called "DA2" and not "other" then they are bad, on principle. Instead these same things when debated about on the "other" are thought as improvements and good things by the same people. Something is amiss and my analogy makes perfect sense. Development time has nothing to do with it, nor how the whole game turns to be in the end.

I said I would not reply to this anymore to not give fire to soemthing I don't want and I will. It was just a clarification, that probably I should not have made, however.

Modifié par Amioran, 26 février 2011 - 09:36 .

[Ploppy]

Abremms wrote...
by recycled enviroments, I assume he means the city of Kirkwall where the majority of the game happens. you see the city over the course of ten years, so surely a lot of stuff is ging to be similar.  This isn't a far ranging adventure around the world where every couple of hours you find yourself in a completely different climate.

The reviewer writes of "clone cellars" and "clone caves" and is completely dumbfounded by how often he stumbles across the exact same dungeon layouts. He's very fond of Kirkwall's layout, but the dungeons and the outside areas are problematic.

[DTKT]

When he says "Main Quest", does he only means that quest related to the progression through the story and none of the sidequests? Because 15 hours just for that is fair enough. If it's sidequests+Mainquest, then we have an issue of content.

[Demo-Mike]

Abremms wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Recycled environments... I shudder every time I think of it.

And constantly? I pray the reviewer is exaggerating...

by recycled enviroments, I assume he means the city of Kirkwall where the majority of the game happens. you see the city over the course of ten years, so surely a lot of stuff is ging to be similar.  This isn't a far ranging adventure around the world where every couple of hours you find yourself in a completely different climate.

So what? They didn't have to copy/paste every texture to death. Everyhing I've seen of Kirkwall looks similar.

Bioshock took place in once city, Dead Space also, and many other games.

[Dr. Nexas]

I'm more curious about the 9th companion.

[Fadook]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Amioran wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

Meanwhile every news about that "Other" game was positive. It sold a lot less than DA:O yet they did everything to improve the sequel...

You mean that game where you can only play as an human? You mean that other game that have even more "actiony" combat (not that the word is correct neither in this case, but since DA2 is thought as that...)? You mean that game that all said it will be shorter than the original but with less same content?

There's something I don't get. Aren't these the same things you don't like in DA2?

Hey buddy do you want to get into an argument about the "Other Game", I'm dieing with anticipation right now

No sorry, people are not automatically enlisted in fanbody club to hate everything else when they like something

I can like several stuff.

But ze game is an improvement from the previous one and DA II isn't

Well the PC Gamer review said the game takes upwards of 50 hours and that most of the companions are excellent. But let's just ignore that and only give credence to reviews that reinforce our baseless prejudices.

[Anathemic]

Amioran wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Now to fix your anology:

Restaurant A sells Pizzas
Restaurant B sells Cookies

Restaurant A spends 5 years to perfect a more awesome pizza
Restaurant B in a swift change of events decides to mesh Pizza into every cookie-related product in the menu

Sorry but no. I was talking of specific things, not on the whole. The combat in the "other" game is as "actiony" if not more than DA2. The character is an human. The game willl be shorter but without recycled quests.

Now, these things are also on DA2, only that just because it is called "DA2" and not "other" then they are bad, on principle. Instead these same things when debated about on the "other" are an improvements and good things but the same people. Something is amiss and my analogy makes perfect sense. Development time has nothing to do with it, nor how the whole game turns to be in the end.

I said I would not reply to this anymore to not give fire to soemthing I don't want and I will. It was just a clarification.

Development time in fact does change how a game's quality will be in addition to the fanbase's viewpoint

[Demo-Mike]

Fadook wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Amioran wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

Meanwhile every news about that "Other" game was positive. It sold a lot less than DA:O yet they did everything to improve the sequel...

You mean that game where you can only play as an human? You mean that other game that have even more "actiony" combat (not that the word is correct neither in this case, but since DA2 is thought as that...)? You mean that game that all said it will be shorter than the original but with less same content?

There's something I don't get. Aren't these the same things you don't like in DA2?

Hey buddy do you want to get into an argument about the "Other Game", I'm dieing with anticipation right now

No sorry, people are not automatically enlisted in fanbody club to hate everything else when they like something

I can like several stuff.

But ze game is an improvement from the previous one and DA II isn't

Well the PC Gamer review said the game takes upwards of 50 hours and that most of the companions are excellent. But let's just ignore that and only give credence to reviews that reinforce our baseless prejudices.

PC gamer said this is the best RPG combat ever.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry i don't believe this. We've seen the combat.

[DTKT]

Dr. Nexas wrote...

I'm more curious about the 9th companion.

Werent they all revealed?

Varric,
Carver,
Bethany,
Isabella,
Anders,
Aveline,
Merril


How am I missing?

[FieryDove]

Abremms wrote...

This isn't a far ranging adventure around the world where every couple of hours you find yourself in a completely different climate.

Pity...but if the story makes sense in Kirkwall it must be.