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[Taleroth]

My favorite element of DAO was the combat. So if reviews are saying good things about it, I could still like DA2 better. squeee

[Selectric]

Color me disappointed. All my negatives with the demo seem to be confirmed in the full game by this reviewer, and then some. Unfortunately I'm questioning whether to buy it now...

[Deadmac]

Double post... See next one for reply.

Modifié par Deadmac, 27 février 2011 - 04:14 .

[Deadmac]

Savber100 wrote...

The ending is really getting a lot of criticism for being terrible and open-ended.

Makes me a little nervous. Nothing ruins a good story more than a rushed/bad ending.

Holding my breath now... >.<

If we go by what the review said, there is no ending to "Dragon Age II". You will invest time into playing this game, so you can reach an unresolved ending.

Another BioWare hallmark down the drain...

-The game does not feel long or epic, and the central conflict (mages vs. chantry) is not as dramatic as the reviewer would have liked. But although it doesn't have anything comparable to the Battle of Ostagar or the final attack on Denerim, it still has some very tactical boss fights.

- The ending is described as open ended and unresolved .

Modifié par Deadmac, 27 février 2011 - 04:22 .

[Deadmac]

GreenSoda wrote...

Some other tidbits from the popular German pc-magazine (minor spoilers), copied from elsewhere..

Where did you get this information specifically? Did you get this right out of the magazine? Online?

Modifié par Deadmac, 27 février 2011 - 04:24 .

[maselphie]

I'm happy the main quest isn't clocking 50 hours. Because we ALL know what they would do to pad time: another Deeproads or Fade puzzle. I'd rather those be optional sidequests, because then I'd have fun doing them, rather than feeling forced to.

[Zulmoka531]

The only thing I have an issue with would be the ending if this review is accurate. I'm kinda tired of the open ended endings thing, then again perhaps it's left that way for DLC or an expansion ala awakenings or Mass Effect style. Or perhaps it points to Dragon Age III.

One can't help but be hopeful.

[The Minority]

I am so glad it isn't a really long game. I manged to complete Origins in 25 hours, and ME2 in 23. DA2 being 20 is just fine for me/

[The Minority]

double post

Modifié par The Minority, 27 février 2011 - 06:57 .

[elearon1]

Comparing the speed of my playthroughs to the speed other people tend to give for theirs, I'm expecting about 40 hours of game time for DA2 - which puts me a little over half of what I spent in my first DA:O run. So, I guess so long as I can say - at the end of each hour - "that was worth $1.50", I will be getting my money's worth.

[My Avatar is Batman]

My play through Took roughly 20 hours were as my Origins took about 30.

=to ME2

[Maria Caliban]

Deadmac wrote...

Another BioWare hallmark down the drain...

-The game does not feel long or epic, and the central conflict (mages vs. chantry) is not as dramatic as the reviewer would have liked. But although it doesn't have anything comparable to the Battle of Ostagar or the final attack on Denerim, it still has some very tactical boss fights.

- The ending is described as open ended and unresolved .

It seems that BioWare is incorporating more dark fantasy into their story.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Another BioWare hallmark down the drain...

-The game does not feel long or epic, and the central conflict (mages vs. chantry) is not as dramatic as the reviewer would have liked. But although it doesn't have anything comparable to the Battle of Ostagar or the final attack on Denerim, it still has some very tactical boss fights.

- The ending is described as open ended and unresolved .

It seems that BioWare is incorporating more dark fantasy into their story.

How is a short, un-epic storyline with an unresolved ending (going by what you highlighted) = A more dark fantasy approach?

[JakePT]

12-15 hours for just the crit-path is pretty good, especially if there's another 12-15 hours of optional content. I finished Mass Effect 2 (100%) in 30 hours and I feel like it's a perfect length. Plenty of content, but it never felt like the game was deliberately dragging itself out (like the Rockstar games, GTA and RDR do).

There are things in this review that bother me, and they all sound like they're the consequences of banging the game out so quickly. There's zero reason this game shouldn't have been under development for another 6 months, or even a year, except to drain the franchise of every last dollar as quickly as possible. We all saw what happened to Guitar Hero and what's inevitably going to happen with Call of Duty, I just don't want to see it happen to Dragon Age, or Mass Effect (Mass 3, mercifully, is getting around 6 months longer than DA2).

[Razaroh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Another BioWare hallmark down the drain...

-The game does not feel long or epic, and the central conflict (mages vs. chantry) is not as dramatic as the reviewer would have liked. But although it doesn't have anything comparable to the Battle of Ostagar or the final attack on Denerim, it still has some very tactical boss fights.

- The ending is described as open ended and unresolved .

It seems that BioWare is incorporating more dark fantasy into their story.

I...would be okay with that. So long as they don't drop all subtly and begin to bludgeon us with GrimDarks Hummer of Grit and Woe.

Ambiguity can be a good thing, though I could see how many wouldn't be happy with it.

[Maria Caliban]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

How is a short, un-epic storyline with an unresolved ending (going by what you highlighted) = A more dark fantasy approach?

I didn't highlight anything, actually.

Epic fantasy is pretty much the antithesis of dark fantasy. Yes, there are notable exceptions that blend the genres like A Song of Ice and Fire but most dark fantasy is like Best Served Cold and The Black Company. It trades breadth and the grand struggle of Good vs Evil for more personal depth and human interaction.

As for unresolved endings, they're more common in dark fantasy than epic fantasy because much epic fantasy centers around 'the ultimate battle.' The themes and plots of dark fantasy tend to reflect a more muddled worldview where events aren't always tied up into a neat bow.

The story of Dragon Age: Origins was of an ancient evil coming to destroy everything that could only be stopped by a special group (of which your PC was one) by murdering the uber big-bad. Yes, that's firmly in the vein of epic fantasy.

The story of DA II seems to be one person's rise to power among the political intrigue of a single city. The impact of that story might be epic, but the story itself is not.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 février 2011 - 07:00 .

[darklordpocky-san]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

How is a short, un-epic storyline with an unresolved ending (going by what you highlighted) = A more dark fantasy approach?

I didn't highlight anything, actually.

Epic fantasy is pretty much the antithesis of dark fantasy. Yes, there are notable exceptions that blend the genres like A Song of Ice and Fire but most dark fantasy is like Best Served Cold and The Black Company. It trades breadth and the grand struggle of Good vs Evil for more personal depth and human interaction.

As for unresolved endings, they're more common in dark fantasy than epic fantasy because much epic fantasy centers around 'the ultimate battle.' The themes and plots of dark fantasy tend to reflect a more muddled worldview where events aren't always tied up into a neat bow.

The story of Dragon Age: Origins was of an ancient evil coming to destroy everything that could only be stopped by a special group (of which your PC was one) by murdering the uber big-bad. Yes, that's firmly in the vein of epic fantasy.

The story of DA II seems to be one person's rise to power among the political intrigue of a single city. The impact of that story might be epic, but the story itself is not.

You forgot to list Berserk

And DA:O was a lot darker than your average Epic Fantasy titlle. If anything, I think a good mix of both worked to make DA:O so good, epic, yet usually not holding back on the darker aspects of the world. .  aside fromt eh occaional Nug

[Altima Darkspells]

Maria Caliban wrote...

snip 

I don't think the 'dark' excuse is valid for an unsatisfactory ending.

KotOR2 managed a rather open ending, but at the same time, it resolved the story in a satisfactory sort of way.

If, however, the ending to DA2 is some hamfisted attempt to sell an expansion in five months or a sequel in eighteen months, I will be rather irritated.  It is, after, an entertainment median, and cutting the game off in the middle is inexcuseable.

[Yrkoon]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Even if that is the case that much bad stuff should not be an 87. If it was anyone but Bioware and EA I bet it would be a lot lower.

I noticed this too.  But that could be contributed to the thread starter not posting the whole article for us to read for ourselves.  instead, he posts snippets.  The article was probably really long and filled with positives....  but look at the OP.... the bulk of it was negatives....

[Persephone]

My Avatar is Batman wrote...

My play through Took roughly 20 hours were as my Origins took about 30.

=to ME2

Your playthrough of what? DA2 isn't out yet?

[Sylvius the Mad]

JrayM16 wrote...

Emphasis on "Take your time and explore everything the game has to offer."

Without that, Even Origins could be completed in minimal time.

But if you take your time and explore everything DAO has to offer, you get something north of 60 hours, and possibly more than 80 (I got 87 even without doing everything, but I'm a fairly slow player).

[Sylvius the Mad]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The story of DA II seems to be one person's rise to power among the political intrigue of a single city. The impact of that story might be epic, but the story itself is not.

I like this.  I'm, frankly, tired of epic.  I'm not sure I ever liked it.

Though, the reason I don't like epic stories is that they tend to preclude shallow power curves, and I like shallow power curves.  However, DA2 still doesn't have one, so I'm not sure I've gained much.

[Yrkoon]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Fadook wrote...

You've seen 20 minutes of combat. And 5 of those were the exaggerated stuff that's not representative of normal gameplay.

Combat will all classes and half the abilities unlocked.


Pretty representative

LOL

Who are you?  What are you smoking?  And, can I have some?

A good 80%  (or more) of the Abilities were locked.  Exactly Zero specializations were even shown.  And the demo rushes you through a prologue, where your levels are so low, you don't even get the chance to see what effect on combat your stats have.

Jesus Christ.

[Zulmoka531]

Persephone wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...

My play through Took roughly 20 hours were as my Origins took about 30.

=to ME2

Your playthrough of what? DA2 isn't out yet?

Not trying to cause an issue, but I believe he's played a "leaked" version judging from several of his posts on the forums as of late.

Then again I could be 100% completely wrong!.

Modifié par Zulmoka531, 27 février 2011 - 08:17 .