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[AllThatJazz]

Rzepik2 wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

I'm all for non-Epic, I think the 'save the world' plot is very tired, and most of my favourite games (yes, the ones that everyone else has already posted, plus Mask of the Betrayer - I know, not a IE game, but still) are personal rather than world-shattering.

Attacking god's city and possibility to turn into god-eating squid is IMO pretty epic 

Yeah, but you're only trying to save yourself and not 'the world'. Though you're right, in that sense there was definitely 'epicness'  And that's the last time I'll be using that word.  

[Mick301981]

Glaucon wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Mick301981 wrote...

Hawke92 wrote...

Well i beat Origins for exatcly 22 hours with Awakening and Witch Hunt.The Awakening took me only six hours and the Witch Hunt 30 mins.So i bet DA2 i 1-2 hours shorter 14-15 hours possibaly

I can't really fathom how someone could beat Origins that fast.

My fastest playthrough took me 57 hrs.

No matter, I expect I'll get at least 50 hrs from DA2, most likely more.

I will never understand how this is at all possible.

I went through origins doing the majority of side quests, reading every codex i found, sometimes just walking around and exploring, and i got 36 hours total. I can't comprehend 57 hours, at all.

My guess is those who get this amount of hours are the PC players who pause throughout combat constantly and leave it paused, for a long time, while they figure out a strategy. Amirite? Are you a PC player? Because that is the only thing i can think of that can bolster someone up to a 57 hour playthrough.

No I don't think you're right.  My average (PC) game in DA:O is around 65 hours and I certainly wouldn't consider myself a 'completionist' or a chess style player.

MMV as the saying goes.

Heh, I'm not going to mention how long my first playthrough took .

[Shadedclan]

OH no!!!! Mages v the chantry? You have spoiled me! Maybe a little. How will they battle? I thought that main enemy was the qunari.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Glaucon wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Mick301981 wrote...

Hawke92 wrote...

Well i beat Origins for exatcly 22 hours with Awakening and Witch Hunt.The Awakening took me only six hours and the Witch Hunt 30 mins.So i bet DA2 i 1-2 hours shorter 14-15 hours possibaly

I can't really fathom how someone could beat Origins that fast.

My fastest playthrough took me 57 hrs.

No matter, I expect I'll get at least 50 hrs from DA2, most likely more.

I will never understand how this is at all possible.

I went through origins doing the majority of side quests, reading every codex i found, sometimes just walking around and exploring, and i got 36 hours total. I can't comprehend 57 hours, at all.

My guess is those who get this amount of hours are the PC players who pause throughout combat constantly and leave it paused, for a long time, while they figure out a strategy. Amirite? Are you a PC player? Because that is the only thing i can think of that can bolster someone up to a 57 hour playthrough.

No I don't think you're right.  My average (PC) game in DA:O is around 65 hours and I certainly wouldn't consider myself a 'completionist' or a chess style player.

MMV as the saying goes.

But......HOW?

I talked to everyone in the game, skipped no dialogue, did the majority of side quests, took my sweet ass time. I just can't understand. It must be a PC thing, time must somehow accelerate when playing on the PC.

[bluestrider25]

I don't understand why people are freaking out over this 12-15 hour time by the reviewer? He cleary states the time can double if you take the time to see everything the game has to offer! 2x 12-15 is about 30 hours and those of us whom do a majority of the side quests and read/listen/cutscenes to the dialog it will probably be closer to 40 or 45. Besides, hes a reviewer...it's his job to have a review in a timely fashion...he may be biased or on a deadline. I tend to find deadlines make things very stressful, tedious and just not fun at all.

PS I know play throughs are subjective, but I can not contemplate how some gamers are completing DAO under 30hours on a first walk through? Either the dialog was rushed or you missed some content maybe (try checking a quest checklist from a guide or something). On a second, third or maybe a play through just to see how fast you can complete it I can understand. But on the first...? It took me about 7-10 hours just to get game play down with the different party members including the intro.

Modifié par bluestrider25, 27 février 2011 - 10:49 .

[Yrkoon]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Mick301981 wrote...

Hawke92 wrote...

Well i beat Origins for exatcly 22 hours with Awakening and Witch Hunt.The Awakening took me only six hours and the Witch Hunt 30 mins.So i bet DA2 i 1-2 hours shorter 14-15 hours possibaly

I can't really fathom how someone could beat Origins that fast.

My fastest playthrough took me 57 hrs.

No matter, I expect I'll get at least 50 hrs from DA2, most likely more.

I will never understand how this is at all possible.

I went through origins doing the majority of side quests, reading every codex i found, sometimes just walking around and exploring, and i got 36 hours total. I can't comprehend 57 hours, at all.

My guess is those who get this amount of hours are the PC players who pause throughout combat constantly and leave it paused, for a long time, while they figure out a strategy. Amirite? Are you a PC player? Because that is the only thing i can think of that can bolster someone up to a 57 hour playthrough.

And those who claim 100hrs? Get outta here.

92 hours on my first playthrough.

Honestly, I have no idea why there's   such a humongous descrepency in playtimes between players.  But  it's always been that way, at least as long as I've been gaming.

I can explain my habits, though.

No, I didn't leave the game paused for hours.  But I did exhaust dialogue choices for all my companions.  I did scour all maps,  and  looked in all the nooks and crannies.  I did every subquest I could find.  I did spend hours over the course of the game, researching the merchants' wares and meticulously swapping out companion gear and my main character's gear.  I did spend 45 minutes on the character creation screen the first time out  getting my Warden's face 'just right'.  I did read (not skim) codex entries.  I did pause, alot, during combat to issue orders and such.  And there were times when I was in the middle of a dungeon and decided  to trudge back to camp to sell some of my loot, or change out companions or whatever.

That sh** adds up.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 27 février 2011 - 11:54 .

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

 *cough* called it 6 months ago *cough*

[pumpkinman13]

im more worried about all the comments on Kirkwall... the largest and most politically important city in the Freemarches, being practically deserted. And those few NPCs that do populate it apparently do so in an entirely uninteresting and obviously mechanised fashion.

[Ace Attorney]

Nine party members huh? If you count Sebastian and your twin siblings it totals nine with the known party members. But we all know one sibling dies within half an hour into the game, so perharp there is someone more? Did they count Sebastian in those nine?

[Case]

My guess, which is just that, is that it's going to be shorter than DAO for sure, with a bunch of DLC coming out in the next year that we'll spend $40+ on. It's harder to do that with your first title in a series than with a sequel. No matter what I'm definitely getting it and I've been super stoked about it for a year now. I'm going to pre-order on monday when I finally get the $. Where's the best place to preorder for the 360 btw?

[AngelicMachinery]

Baww I r want moar hours. for serious.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I tend to not trust the "game length" time for anyone that plays games professionally.  I mean seriously, we are talking about a game reviewer here, surely they are going to be better at video games than the average gamer, so they will be able to finish games quicker.  After all, the quicker they finish a game the quicker they can move on to the next.  I mean, I don't know about Gamestar's employment, but say they pay per review submitted? IF so, it would be in one's best interest to complete as many games as possible as fas as possible.

[JJjoinut99]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

I tend to not trust the "game length" time for anyone that plays games professionally.  I mean seriously, we are talking about a game reviewer here, surely they are going to be better at video games than the average gamer, so they will be able to finish games quicker.  After all, the quicker they finish a game the quicker they can move on to the next.  I mean, I don't know about Gamestar's employment, but say they pay per review submitted? IF so, it would be in one's best interest to complete as many games as possible as fas as possible.

lol yeah. i am a noob gamer, it'll take me ages.

Doing final playthrough, not skipping ANYTHING and i've completed all the main quests before the landsmeet besides Orzammar, which is (or seems to be) the longest, and i am already at 35.25.20 hours. There's still a load of side quests to do too.
So 12-15 hours? at least double that for me hehe.

[Archereon]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Nine party members huh? If you count Sebastian and your twin siblings it totals nine with the known party members. But we all know one sibling dies within half an hour into the game, so perharp there is someone more? Did they count Sebastian in those nine?

Bioware is known for having secret optional companions.  Loghain in DA:O, Legion in ME2 (well, he was supposed to be a secret), Death's Hand in Jade Empire, can't quite remember earlier ones.  More often than not they are a former enemy.  Arishok maybe?

[LeonBrass]

I deal with game reviews the same way I deal with movie and television reviews... I read them, listen to the opinions, then do what I darn well please.

Reviews are subjective, as such they are one persons opinion. I rarely find anything in the reviews that back up any of the conclusions they make...
sometimes after playing the game, I agree with them; mostly I disagree -- again based soley on my own tastes and opinions...

[Sylvius the Mad]

Vaeliorin wrote...

and the chess battle wasn't fun at all in real-time.

I loved the chess battle.  Because I played a mage-heavy party with no one who could take a beating, the fight was only winnable if I killed everyone before any of them reached melee range.  Since I had surprise (the player gets the make the first move), I had two rounds to kill all 16 pieces.

That was fun.  I loved that encounter.

[Polemists05]

Meh, they always ballpark it short. I'm not concerned, Bioware makes good games so fans will buy future installments, from video I've seen and game play it will be fun.

Kirkwall may not be similiar to Amn in lively spirit, but long as there is good dialogue I don't mind. Denerim was pretty dead, but that was fine.

[Neleothesze]

I stopped reading word by word after noticing that the game reviewer QQed because they weren't allowed to post their own screenshots. The magazine probably thought they'd get a lot of people excited about their shiny DA2 review.. posted about it in the previous issue to raise some hype and when they found out they could only talk about what they did and not show any evidence, sulked like little children and added barbs here and there.

Example: Saying a game's story is not epic enough is one of those barbs. If I wanted to take his review seriously I'd have to ask for an epicness meter. Most reviews I read about Beyond Divinity said it was mediocre... I still got it. Letting me play as a kid was pretty epic. Having a demon chained to my soul, having him help me out and then finding out said demon was actually Damien was seriously epic. Did a lot of people think that? Not most of the reviewers. Their loss.

Saying the playthrough took 12-15 hours is another barb. If I wanted to take it seriously I'd have to ask for a playthrough meter. How long did BG2 take? How long did ME? ME2? NWN? NWN2? Morrowind? Oblivion? I could go on and on.



The only thing I'm gonna take seriously are the concerns about the graphics. I had my own concerns with what I saw in the demo and this seems to confirm them. And I won't QQ about them either. Even if they might be valid. Why? Because this won't influence my purchase. Preorder still stands. I'm too curious about the game to cancel because some of my fears were not unfounded.

Modifié par Indolence, 27 février 2011 - 11:49 .

[Cadaveth]

Indolence wrote...
Example: Saying a game's story is not epic enough is one of those barbs. If I wanted to take his review seriously I'd have to ask for an epicness meter. Most reviews I read about Beyond Divinity said it was mediocre... I still got it. Letting me play as a kid was pretty epic. Having a demon chained to my soul, having him help me out and then finding out said demon was actually Damien was seriously epic. Did a lot of people think that? Not most of the reviewers. Their loss.

Saying the playthrough took 12-15 hours is another barb. If I wanted to take it seriously I'd have to ask for a playthrough meter. How long did BG2 take? How long did ME? ME2? NWN? NWN2? Morrowind? Oblivion? I could go on and on.

You can deny the facts all you want, but he said less epic = nothing comparable to Denerim final battle or Ostagar, which were two most "epic" parts of DAO. And he SPECIFICALLY said that main quest takes 12-15h to complete if you only do that and more if you did everything possible... That's your meter right there. You can say how long it took to for you to play through ME, BG2 etc. main quest if you only did that and you'd notice that other people would propably play them through in same time if they're not total tards and play something for 60h if every other people play it through in 10h.

Besides, what makes DA2 magnificent RPG? That reviewer said it's magnificent, yet the game has clonecaves and less "nerd" stuff like to-hit chance in favor of cool exploding darkspawn. Or how about kewl spell effects? Corridor maps? I don't see what makes this game magnificent in his review. That's the barb right there.

[volus is king]

the thing is that DA2 is not a linear game.it could have contents up to 50 hours but most of it is not chosen while playing the first time.Because DA2 is about choices and this influence the gameplay i imagine. same like alpha protocol where the game significantly changes in my 2nd playtrough with different choices.

[Darji]

bluestrider25 wrote...

I don't understand why people are freaking out over this 12-15 hour time by the reviewer? He cleary states the time can double if you take the time to see everything the game has to offer! 2x 12-15 is about 30 hours and those of us whom do a majority of the side quests and read/listen/cutscenes to the dialog it will probably be closer to 40 or 45. Besides, hes a reviewer...it's his job to have a review in a timely fashion...he may be biased or on a deadline. I tend to find deadlines make things very stressful, tedious and just not fun at all.

PS I know play throughs are subjective, but I can not contemplate how some gamers are completing DAO under 30hours on a first walk through? Either the dialog was rushed or you missed some content maybe (try checking a quest checklist from a guide or something). On a second, third or maybe a play through just to see how fast you can complete it I can understand. But on the first...? It took me about 7-10 hours just to get game play down with the different party members including the intro.

Its still way to less. I dont expect it Baldurs gate lenght which could you easily spend 200 hours with all the sidestuff to do but I expected atleast a Origins level. Normally sequels are even longer then the first game.

Here however its totally different. Less features, less gametime etc.  And yes you can always take some time. ME2 mainstory takes you like 8-10 hours wthout the companionquests and with all extra stuff its easily done in under 30 hours.

@Volus: You dont change the game wth your actions you only change the outcome. ITs not like if you choose a different path you have l hours of extra play.

Modifié par Darji, 28 février 2011 - 12:54 .

[flushfire]

i don't understand how

combat is generally tactical, though frequently unbalanced

and

Balance:9/10
+fight are always fair

are in the same review.

[Covi]

flushfire wrote...

i don't understand how

combat is generally tactical, though frequently unbalanced

and

Balance:9/10
+fight are always fair

are in the same review.

Sounds like some fights are too easy.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

It's all a lie.

[Elvoria]

Looks like the reviewer should go back to delivering at pizza shack