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[AustinKain]

This is not a bashing post just a realization i came to about 10 mins ago.
The Champion of Kirkwall started out running away from a fight.  He/she was at or near Ostagar and decided to leave running ans screaming away.  True it may have been to save the family, but still he/she ran.

So i guess after getting to Kirkwall the champion was faced with a life changing moment and decided to stand and fight.  It is obvious the champ can fight and defend themself and family pretty well, why run away when you could have been a hero in Lothering. Well that or dead lol.

Maybe its once the remaining members of family are safe its time to prove you are not really a coward.

Anyway not bashing the game just a thought i had, and was wondering if anyone else had come to realize this or even think about it.

[Zkyire]

AustinKain wrote...

This is not a bashing post just a realization i came to about 10 mins ago.
The Champion of Kirkwall started out running away from a fight.  He/she was at or near Ostagar and decided to leave running ans screaming away.  True it may have been to save the family, but still he/she ran.

So i guess after getting to Kirkwall the champion was faced with a life changing moment and decided to stand and fight.  It is obvious the champ can fight and defend themself and family pretty well, why run away when you could have been a hero in Lothering. Well that or dead lol.

Maybe its once the remaining members of family are safe its time to prove you are not really a coward.

Anyway not bashing the game just a thought i had, and was wondering if anyone else had come to realize this or even think about it.

Human Noble Warden says hello.

[Fenn_]

Have to start somewhere.

[Typical Forum Sycophant]

he should have died like a real man at the whims of one of Loghains petty schemes!

[upsettingshorts]

Discretion is the better part of valor.

[xzxzxz701]

Its kind of hard to fight the ENTIRE darkspawn horde by yourself.

[Melra]

Because one man against whole blight would've made such a big difference, when even a Grey Warden needs a huge army? It's better to run away to fight another day and it's not cowardice.

[cglasgow]

Actually, if you listen to the dialogue, he and Carver left the army after Loghain's betrayal.  They fought through the battle.

Plus, ISTR from one of the Bioware website articles that they were in the King's regiment... which means they were down in the valley with Duncan and Cailan.

So, they didn't 'run away from' Ostagar, they survived it. And having been some of the men betrayed and left to die by Loghain, what are they supposed to do? March back to Loghain and forgive and forget?

Is it even desertion, morally, if you're betrayed and abandoned first?

Modifié par cglasgow, 26 février 2011 - 08:29 .

[Black-Xero]

So...it makes you a coward to live? He can't have killed an entire army of Darkspawn.You might as well be either a coward or intelligent...I would go with the latter.Run,get stronger,kill enemies.

[marcusgs221]

better to be a live coward than a dead idiot. there is nothing herioc about throwing yourself at the darkspawn horde. and also that would make the warden a coward also

[megaz635]

Its cowardly to run from a darkspawn horde of more than 100,000+?

[AustinKain]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

AustinKain wrote...

This is not a bashing post just a realization i came to about 10 mins ago.
The Champion of Kirkwall started out running away from a fight.  He/she was at or near Ostagar and decided to leave running ans screaming away.  True it may have been to save the family, but still he/she ran.

So i guess after getting to Kirkwall the champion was faced with a life changing moment and decided to stand and fight.  It is obvious the champ can fight and defend themself and family pretty well, why run away when you could have been a hero in Lothering. Well that or dead lol.

Maybe its once the remaining members of family are safe its time to prove you are not really a coward.

Anyway not bashing the game just a thought i had, and was wondering if anyone else had come to realize this or even think about it.

Human Noble Warden says hello.

No the Human Noble origin was FORCED to become a warden.  All origins were forced to be Wardens even if your character didnt want to.  Then again the game would have been real short if you could have actually denied the invitation to become a warden.


The Champion from what we have seen/ been told has run on his/her own or at the begging of the family we still dont know yet.

[Duncan Anderson]

They left after the battle, whey would they stay at ostagr after that?

[MyKingdomCold]

hey if Loghain can run away like a little girl, why can't Hawke?

[Aesieru]

It's not cowardly to save your family and fight (instead of run past and hide) the Darkspawn in your way on that path.



He knew his family was in danger and that's what his father would have wanted (or her father).



In any case, he wasn't a coward, and he most certainly know how to take care of those Darkspawn... strangely enough.

[Reptillius]

Actually your assumptions while interesting are vastly incorrect. If this was something that was possible. The Wardens would have somehow done it I'm sure. But there are two issues. To beat the Horde it takes an army. Hawke is not an Army. So it's stupid to stay and fight. it is not Heroic to die needlessly against those kinds of numbers.



Heck if the demo shows you anything it shows you that the numbers are stacked against you just trying to run from the overwhelming numbers.



So No. He would not be a Hero at Lothering. He would be another dead nameless soul in the tale of the Grey Warden. He is not so he must do the smart thing and the far more brave thing of getting out to fight another day and protecting other innocents while He does it. The Demo itself further proves this because You actually stop and help others in the same plight escape as well even if some would rather leave the evil Templar and his wife to face the dark spawn.



(I'm using He simply because it's easiest for me right at this moment. could have used she)

[Phoenix_Loftian]

Personally, I like a story where the character grows from someone cowardly to someone strong and responsible. Certainly, makes the character more dynamic and interesting.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Plus, ISTR from one of the Bioware website articles that they were in the King's regiment...

Two apostates in king's regiment, near Wynne and all?

[Zerakus]

By that logic, so were Alistair and the Warden after Ostagar, or when they went about gathering an army instead of just attacking the entire Horde themselves.

[Aesieru]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

Plus, ISTR from one of the Bioware website articles that they were in the King's regiment...

Two apostates in king's regiment, near Wynne and all?

If you don't do anything like attack Templars randomly or run from them, and you don't give any indication that you're an Apostate, and you don't do apostate spells... and don't dress like a witch of the wilds...

I doubt you have much to worry about.

[Blastback]

*sigh*



Running from a fight you can not win is not cowardice. It's common sense. How was Hawke suppoesed to defeat the darkspawn? Did s/he know how? The Grey Wardens, who are the ones who always defeat the Darkspawn were to Hawke's knowledge, all dead. Fereldan was a lost cause.

[AustinKain]

cglasgow wrote...

Actually, if you listen to the dialogue, he and Carver left the army after Loghain's betrayal.  They fought through the battle.

Plus, ISTR from one of the Bioware website articles that they were in the King's regiment... which means they were down in the valley with Duncan and Cailan.

So, they didn't 'run away from' Ostagar, they survived it. And having been some of the men betrayed and left to die by Loghain, what are they supposed to do? March back to Loghain and forgive and forget?

Is it even desertion, morally, if you're betrayed and abandoned first?

If they survived Ostagar then the story in Origins is all a lie and nothing that happens in that game can be used as cannon for anything else DA related. AS its stated that EVERYONE excpet for the warden/alistair survived Ostagar.
Which means that they did infact run away most likely before the events at Ostagar. If they didnt leave Ostagar before the battle then the whole of Orginis is flawed in its story.

[AkiKishi]

Yes he's a coward. He's also more of a tool than Shepard if you pick certain responses.

[Insom]

Not even Hawke is immune to the taint. If he would have stayed he'd either be dead or a poor nobody in a country that is falling apart.