278 réponses à ce sujet

[drahelvete]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

Was Musashi a coward for suriviving the Battle of Sekigahara, despite being on the losing side?

Were many other people standing for the completely lost cause and die (or win) dumb, then?

It seems to me people here mostly care only about themselves, while people from diffirent times and situations actually thought twas a noble thing to die for someone else, like their Senior (King), for example.

According to Yoshikawa's book, at least IIRC, he was knocked out and presumed dead by the enemy. That's not cowardice. What I'm trying to say is: we don't really know HOW Hawke survived the Battle of Ostagar... do we?

[Kimarous]

"Hmm... the king just got smushed by an ogre, the flanking general who was our key to winning hasn't showed up, and we're currently bottlenecked in a corridor that keeps us from flanking them ourselves. Should I scurry back home to tell my family to GTFO or should I stay here to kill a handful more before being killed myself and possibly eaten? Hmm..."

[Vicious]

How many times did someone say that there were no surviors in Ostagar only to be told later there were.



There are plot holes in the story(ies).

Troll fail.

[Morroian]

AustinKain wrote...

Everyone is missing the point. How many times did someone say that there were no surviors in Ostagar only to be told later there were.

There are plot holes in the story(ies).

All i am say is that the Champion fled and even said so. In war doesnt fleeing make one a coward and a traitor?

How old are you? Seriously? No survivors is a figure of speech. There will always be the odd one here or there who did survive. The fact is according to the dialogue Hawke and Carver fought at Ostagar and left after the defeat. Same with Wesley and Aveline. According to other characters in the game there were other survivors. You've been caught out and you don't want to admit you're wrong.
 

[Gabey5]

megaz635 wrote...

Its cowardly to run from a darkspawn horde of more than 100,000+?

especially if your village is abou to get attacked

[Marco_Alberts]

A user with what is generally thought to be a nonsensical idea defending it vehemently, despite most everyone else disagreeing with them and explaining repeatedly why the idea is silly...



Do wake up and smell the troll.

[DarthKaldriss]

           Well lets face facts s/he and Carver where only level 1 so really they had to run as soon as Loghain did the dirty and left the army to die.

[Vicious]

You've been caught out and you don't want to admit you're wrong.

[bloodreaperfx]

Yeah Hawke was a coward. I mean he could've fought the whole darkspawn horde but instead he choose to run. Sensible action? Retreat to fight another day? Naaah...I call pansy-syndrome on this one.

But anyway, he didn't get off easy. A guy named Leeroy slapped him in dissapointment later at the Hang Man's inn.

Also by this logic, the warden from Origins was also a coward since he fled the kokari wilds. What was that about some treaties? Nope. Coward. He still fled instead of fighting the darkspawn right there.

Modifié par bloodreaperfx, 26 février 2011 - 09:03 .

[Blastback]

Shavon wrote...

Hmm . . so running away from a Blight makes you a coward?

Seems more like a smart move to me. It'c called, picking your battles. Or, you know, having brains.

Brains are for cowards.  Real Men leap into battle head first no matter the odds.  Without a helmet. 

[Vengeful Nature]

I was thinking about this the other day, actually. If Hawke is so super-awesome, why not stick around and help a few people out? Heck, my Warden would have given him a job if he'd asked. Could have saved a lot of lives. He doesn't seem to have trouble carving through darkspawn like butter.

I don't mind, really. Just a though that occured to me.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 26 février 2011 - 09:04 .

[AkiKishi]

Captain Iglo wrote...

Storming alone into the enemy army while your King and fellow soldiers are already dead makes you an idiot, reasons are just excuses.

Dead idiot or live coward take your pick.

[October Sixth]

Coward is a word used by those who don't have to fight to convince those that do.

[Ryngard]

1) AustinKain you are plain wrong. There aren't any plot holes involving survivors of Ostagar. YOU are wrong.



2) Hawke isn't a coward for fleeing with his family from the scene of the Blight. You are a fool to think otherwise.



Seriously... this is one of the most ignorance-filled threads I have read in a long time! Its poorly reasoned, incorrect, and verging on trollish.

[Drowsy0106]

Hell if i were lvl 1 with basic gear and my mom in a party i'd run too.

[Drowsy0106]

Shavon wrote...

Hmm . . so running away from a Blight makes you a coward?

Seems more like a smart move to me. It'c called, picking your battles. Or, you know, having brains.

+1

[Cless Godhard]

Be honest, if you were in combat and victory was 0,001%, would you charge and fight them or retreat and run to the village that is in the Darkspawns path so you can warn your family?



Everyone who would charge in, would be a idiot and obviously does not care of about their family.



The ones who ran and warned their family so they could be safe, might be branded a coward, but i rather be a coward then a idiot who ran towards his death and doomed his family.

[Raraptor]

I understand why people think it's cowardly to run from a battlefield, but I can't agree with it. If you stay, the only outcome will be death, I don't understand how that will be adding to your cause. The best thing to do would be to retreat, as a lot of others did, not only Hawke etc. and rethink strategy and/or seek aid. If you sacrifice your forces just for the sake of honor and glory you are not only selfish, but also on the losing side.

[AlexXIV]

Well there is no honor in throwing your life away for nothing. So facing the darkspawn horde on his own probably wouldn't even leave him as a footnote in history. Only thing I can hold against Hawkes in general is that they never planned to stay in Ferelden to fight the Blight like our most beloved Grey Warden. But they were apostates so in that case I wouldn't really have much love for Ferelden either. I don't think alot of people hold it against Mohammad Ali (aka Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr.), the 'World's Greatest', that he refused to go to a war that was 'not his' in his opinion. So shouting 'coward' may be a bit premature.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 26 février 2011 - 09:05 .

[Itkovian]

Running from hopeless odds is not cowardice. There's a difference between recognizing impossible odds and letting fear constantly dominate your actions.

Unless you mean the very idea of not wanting to die means you are a coward. Then I guess we are all cowards.

Remember not to use health potions, as that would fearing having to die due to the possibility of taking more damage.

Itkovian

Modifié par Itkovian, 26 février 2011 - 09:05 .

[TheCreeper]

My Dalish Warden started by killing a group of humans in cold blood, Not everybody has a great start to their destiny or whatever.

[dostunuz]

AustinKain wrote...


All i am say is that the Champion fled and even said so. In war doesnt fleeing make one a coward and a traitor?

hes both coward and traitor.he should have died at ostagar.

[AkiKishi]

Ryngard wrote...

1) AustinKain you are plain wrong. There aren't any plot holes involving survivors of Ostagar. YOU are wrong.

2) Hawke isn't a coward for fleeing with his family from the scene of the Blight. You are a fool to think otherwise.

Seriously... this is one of the most ignorance-filled threads I have read in a long time! Its poorly reasoned, incorrect, and verging on trollish.

2. What about his comrades? You think he's like the last one standing and then just wanders off while the darkspawn let him ? 

Yes it's a very distasteful thing to a lot of people to have to play a character who is a coward. Not in the least suprised by the reaction.

Having read this I'm actually glad for the first time that I saw Hawke as Biowares pre-gen rather than my creation

[Vengeful Nature]

Itkovian wrote...

Running from hopeless odds is not cowardice. There's a difference between recognizing impossible odds and letting fear constantly dominate your actions.

Unless you mean the very idea of not wanting to die means you are a coward. Then I guess we are all cowards.

Remember not to use health potions, as that would fearing having to die due to the possibility of taking more damage.

Itkovian

Hardly hopeless odds. Warden managed fine, didn't he? And Hawke is supposed to be more powerful, enough to change the world somehow.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 26 février 2011 - 09:06 .