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[drahelvete]

Sejborg wrote...

No retreat. No Surrender. That is Spartan law !!! 

Tell that to the Battle of Sphacteria.

[AustinKain]

Duncan Anderson wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Werent Hawke and Carver under command of Loghain?

The journal says they were in the kings regiment.

AustinKain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

AustinKain wrote...
We have been told they were in the kings regiment but still dont know what they did or didnt do.  So we really dont know if they fought the blight head on, or were in the back of the line near the archers, and saw what happened and took off.
Until DA2 hits retail we wont know.

So your point is now they are cowards because there is no proof that they are not? I think you realized by now that you were wrong, right?

My point is we dont know.
Their is neither wrong no right when there is no proof either way of ones actions. which means until the game retails we wont know the full story.

The demo is the begining of the game, were not going to see anything befor that, unless it comes up in conversation we won't have any more information on what happend there when the game comes out than we do now.

Well the demo does skip around some so we dont know for 100% fact that there is nothing else in the begining of the game. Plus we also dont know if Hawke's origin story will be discussed later in the game or not.

Either way who during all this forgot that they dont have DA2 yet?

[ALVIG824]

in response to the post title...



what you wouldn't run?

[Afabrae]

Hawke would have been a coward by staying, as by being dead he woul be running from the responsibility to get his family to safety and to rebuild heir lifes, and the duty to see his relatives death in case they failed.

Death is as light as a feather, Duty as heavy as a mountain

Modifié par Afabrae, 26 février 2011 - 09:48 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

ArawnNox wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

 I am not going to run away from Lothering. I will stay and "fight like a Spartan"! Just like the advertisement told me to do. 

Put up a valiant fight against insane odds then die when you get surrounded?

No retreat. No Surrender. That is Spartan law !!! 

Don't get me wrong, the battle of Thermopolae is awesome (the history is actually more badass than 300), I was just being facetious.

there was also more than 300 spartans at the battle of Thermopolae there were other greek armies there too, as well as the athenian navy

[Dsentinel]

AustinKain wrote...

This is not a bashing post just a realization i came to about 10 mins ago.
The Champion of Kirkwall started out running away from a fight.  He/she was at or near Ostagar and decided to leave running ans screaming away.  True it may have been to save the family, but still he/she ran.

So i guess after getting to Kirkwall the champion was faced with a life changing moment and decided to stand and fight.  It is obvious the champ can fight and defend themself and family pretty well, why run away when you could have been a hero in Lothering. Well that or dead lol.

Maybe its once the remaining members of family are safe its time to prove you are not really a coward.

Anyway not bashing the game just a thought i had, and was wondering if anyone else had come to realize this or even think about it.

Listen with all the big breasted women in my party, there is no way I can just sit and look like a coward.

[Sylvianus]

From what I read, Hawke and his brother joined the Ostagar's Army because Lothering was threatened. They wanted to protect their village and people they loved.

Once the army has been defeated, the king died, betrayed by Loghain, they had no reason to stay. The only solution was to back Lothering and protect their families.

No one can blame a hero for wanting to protect his family and wanting her to safety. Ferelden seems lost, you got a family to protect, There is no king, no army, no hope. Why go back ?

Hawke joined the Ostagar's Army to protect his village when he wasn't forced, he could already fly Ferelden long before they reach their village. He isn't wise to stay seated in his chair. It's already a proof of courage.

In desperation, he had choices, priorities. It is clear also that it has no more to Carver. Despite their feelings, they fled for themselves and their families.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 26 février 2011 - 09:50 .

[AlexXIV]

Sylvianus wrote...

From what I read, Hawke and his brother joined the Ostagar's Army because Lothering was threatened. They wanted to protect their village and people they loved.

Once the army has been defeated, the king died, betrayed by Loghain, they had no reason to stay. The only solution was to back Lothering and protect their families.

No one can blame a hero for wanting to protect his family and wanting her to safety. Ferelden seems lost, you got a family to protect, There is no king, no army, no hope. Why go back ?

Hawke joined the Ostagar's Army to protect his village when he wasn't forced, he could already fly Ferelden long before they reach their village. He isn't wise to stay seated in his chair. It's already a proof of courage.

In desperation, he had choices, priorities. It is clear also that it has no more to Carver. Despite their feelings, they fled for themselves and their families.

Well I think mage Hawke wasn't in Ostagar, in which case he is maybe a coward. I mean what can you expect from a man who wears a dress.

[Carlthestrange]

Coward, hero, it doesn't matter one damn bit. All that matters is that s/he is working to save & protect his/her family from that point on. A respectable choice. Who really gives a damn if the choice is "Cowardly" or not? Its damn sensible.

Modifié par Carlthestrange, 26 février 2011 - 09:53 .

[mark1610]

If they survived Ostagar then the story in Origins is all a lie and nothing that happens in that game can be used as cannon for anything else DA related. AS its stated that EVERYONE excpet for the warden/alistair survived Ostagar.
Which means that they did infact run away most likely before the events at Ostagar. If they didnt leave Ostagar before the battle then the whole of Orginis is flawed in its story.

That's not true. When you get to Lothering several NPC's mention that some survivers came there. The bandits mention they let wounded Ash Warriors pass for example.

Modifié par mark1610, 26 février 2011 - 09:54 .

[Vengeful Nature]

fighterchicks wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

Running from hopeless odds is not cowardice. There's a difference between recognizing impossible odds and letting fear constantly dominate your actions.

Unless you mean the very idea of not wanting to die means you are a coward. Then I guess we are all cowards.

Remember not to use health potions, as that would fearing having to die due to the possibility of taking more damage.

Itkovian

Hardly hopeless odds. Warden managed fine, didn't he? And Hawke is supposed to be more powerful, enough to change the world somehow.

Yeah, the warden managed fine after traveling around the country for several months gathering an army.  The Warden never went straight into the bulk of the horde, they left quietly with Morrigan to Lothering.  Guess that makes the Warden a coward in the beginning of Origins too.  

I get the impression that Hawke was equally capable of doing what the Warden did, not charging into the Horde and soloing the Archdemon.

It's just that the way they market Hawke, I understand that he has a magnetic and powerful enough personality to cause a rift or schism of some sort by his actions. So he may well have been instrumental in defeating the Blight, perhaps with far less casualties, had he stayed in Fereldan.

Again, though, it was just a thought that occured to me. You could also argue that Hawke has a decade to achieve what he achieves, whereas the Warden did it in a year.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 26 février 2011 - 09:58 .

[ArcanistLibram]

Because nothing says courage like dying horribly and abandoning your mother and sister to be turned into Broodmothers by the Darkspawn.

[Nonoru]

Running away from an army is being a coward ?



Ok.

[DraCZeQQ]

October Sixth wrote...

Somebody wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...
Werent Hawke and Carver under command of Loghain?

They were in the Kings army I believe. I think the codex says it too.

Yep, they didn't just walk away. They fought their way out.

I though they fought under seneschal varel who was under Howe, but maybe the Howe thing come after the Ostagar.

btw. Lady Hawke was or wasnt at Ostagart? =)

Modifié par DraCZeQQ, 26 février 2011 - 10:00 .

[TheCreeper]

Kinda pointless in the long run when you consider that by the end of the game she/he is a very important, powerful and respected person.

[Sejborg]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Coward, hero, it doesn't matter one damn bit. All that matters is that s/he is working to save & protect his/her family from that point on. A respectable choice. Who really gives a damn if the choice is "Cowardly" or not? Its damn sensible.

Well, that's an easy choice for us, Carlthestrange! Spartans never retreat! Spartans never surrender! Go spread the word. Let every Fereldian assembled know the truth of this. Let each among them search his own soul. And while you're at it, search your own. 

[Cypher0020]

I wouldn't say coward... practical? I know I'd probably run, especially if my family was involved.....



Entire nations tremble at the darkspawn threat....and one small family that were refugees to begin with wouldn't have made a dent anyways.....

[Drowsy0106]

ALVIG824 wrote...

in response to the post title...

what you wouldn't run?

Like a little girly flutist 

[Carlthestrange]

Sejborg wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Coward, hero, it doesn't matter one damn bit. All that matters is that s/he is working to save & protect his/her family from that point on. A respectable choice. Who really gives a damn if the choice is "Cowardly" or not? Its damn sensible.

Well, that's an easy choice for us, Carlthestrange! Spartans never retreat! Spartans never surrender! Go spread the word. Let every Fereldian assembled know the truth of this. Let each among them search his own soul. And while you're at it, search your own. 

I left my soul in the washing basket. Dang.

[Sejborg]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Coward, hero, it doesn't matter one damn bit. All that matters is that s/he is working to save & protect his/her family from that point on. A respectable choice. Who really gives a damn if the choice is "Cowardly" or not? Its damn sensible.

Well, that's an easy choice for us, Carlthestrange! Spartans never retreat! Spartans never surrender! Go spread the word. Let every Fereldian assembled know the truth of this. Let each among them search his own soul. And while you're at it, search your own. 

I left my soul in the washing basket. Dang.

My heart is broken for your loss. 

[WhisperingCity]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

I get the impression that Hawke was equally capable of doing what the Warden did, not charging into the Horde and soloing the Archdemon.

It's just that the way they market Hawke, I understand that he has a magnetic and powerful enough personality to cause a rift or schism of some sort by his actions. So he may well have been instrumental in defeating the Blight, perhaps with far less casualties, had he stayed in Fereldan.

Hawke could be equally capable of doing what the Warden did, but I don't think he would've ever gotten the opportunity. The Warden only became the Warden because Duncan was there to find him/her, searching for recruits in Orzammar, or Highever, or wherever he found your PC. He wouldn't have gotten the chance to discover Hawke before his death, he wasn't looking for recruits among the king's soldiers (that I know of).

Again, though, it was just a thought that occured to me. You could also argue that Hawke has a decade to achieve what he achieves, whereas the Warden did it in a year.

You could, but we don't know exactly what Hawke achieves yet. Maybe simply being Hawke gives him a unique ability to do it, just like simply being in the right place at the right time (or wrong place at the wrong time, however your character looked at it) gave your Warden the chance to be the Warden.

Modifié par WhisperingCity, 26 février 2011 - 10:07 .

[PPF65]

Running from a fight you can't win and have nothing to gain by fighting isn't cowardice, its basic survival instinct of all reasonable creatures. A bear runs if it thinks it can't win, but will stand and fight only when cornered or to protect its cubs.



Hawke isn't necessarily a coward, but could be roleplayed as such... if you wanted to roleplay a coward.



http://tvtropes.org/...in/LawfulStupid <== this is the people who stick around because "running = cowardice".

[Sejborg]

PPF65 wrote...

Running from a fight you can't win and have nothing to gain by fighting isn't cowardice, its basic survival instinct of all reasonable creatures. A bear runs if it thinks it can't win, but will stand and fight only when cornered or to protect its cubs.

Hawke isn't necessarily a coward, but could be roleplayed as such... if you wanted to roleplay a coward.

http://tvtropes.org/...in/LawfulStupid <== this is the people who stick around because "running = cowardice".

Children, gather round! No retreat, no surrender; that is Spartan law. And by Spartan law we will stand and fight... and die. A new age has begun. An age of freedom, and all will know, that the Hawke family and Aveline gave their last breath to defend it! 

Prepare for glory! 

[Huwmin race]

 No matter how Hawke started he turns into a legend and icon no matter what happens before or in between this will probably be discussed ingame *off topic* How did Carver not get tainted when it says in the codex ''Carver appeared on their doorstep almost a month later exhausted and injured'' because as we see Wesley gets wounded by a darkspawn and (Rather Promptly i might say) gets tainted 

[PPF65]

Sejborg wrote...

PPF65 wrote...

Running from a fight you can't win and have nothing to gain by fighting isn't cowardice, its basic survival instinct of all reasonable creatures. A bear runs if it thinks it can't win, but will stand and fight only when cornered or to protect its cubs.

Hawke isn't necessarily a coward, but could be roleplayed as such... if you wanted to roleplay a coward.

http://tvtropes.org/...in/LawfulStupid <== this is the people who stick around because "running = cowardice".

Children, gather round! No retreat, no surrender; that is Spartan law. And by Spartan law we will stand and fight... and die. A new age has begun. An age of freedom, and all will know, that the Hawke family and Aveline gave their last breath to defend it! 

Prepare for glory! 

I'm not a spartan, I'm much more of a "hit-and-run", battle of attrition kinda guy. But tell you what, you tank, and I'll kill the enemy spell casters/archers. Then'll we'll party with a bunch of Irish guys in a 7 story bar, loaded to the top with all the finest liquors and beers in the world.