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[nubbers666]

its just like asking why the warden fled to gather a army for the dark spawn instead of rushing back to them after kikari wilds

[dostunuz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Let's abandon our country and run away some more. It's like a recuring theme.

From listening to Carver talk, they did stay. They survived Ostagar, like Wynne did. But without becoming abominations. That we know of. Once everyone else was dead, and they had been betrayed, and their king was killed, what should they have done? Stayed behind to fight off the entire horde by themselves? Or go warn their family and get them to safety?

What I was saying was after they ran from Ostagar, they then ran away from Ferelden like cowards!

[AkiKishi]

katie916 wrote...

its just like asking why the warden fled to gather a army for the dark spawn instead of rushing back to them after kikari wilds

The warden would have died had Flemeth not saved him. By then there was no battle to fight.

The issue I have is a lot of people are seeing Hawke and his brother as some sort of last men standing and the darkspawn obviously just let them go..

The more likely scenerio is they ran when the king fell and there were a lot of people still alive at that point. Which is why I have no problem calling them cowards.

[Oblivious]

Ferelden had no king, no army, allies, and no known Grey Wardens. To make matters worse, let's assume my mage Hawke did stay in Ferelden and fight, let's assume Hawke did become a hero, let's assume Hawke even joined the Grey Warden and killed the Archdemon. What then? Then s/he would be persecuted, hunted, and burnt in "holy fire" by the Chantry of the very nation s/he risked life and limb to save or s/he would be conscripted and forced to join a secret organization that would result in his/her death.



Consider Hawke a coward if you like, but if you consider living to fight another day cowardly then there are VERY few brave men in this world.

[JrayM16]

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.



It's up to the player.

[Eclipse_9990]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Fleeing the field makes you a coward reasons are just excuses.

Lol okay. If by some off chance that everyone in this thread ends up getting drafted into war, and we happen to be in the middle of getting our ass kicked in battle. I'll let you be the first one to charge the enemy while the rest of us retreat. 

 Est Solarus Oth Mithas

And my honor is living life. 

[Sejborg]

JrayM16 wrote...

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.

It's up to the player.

I will roleplay a Spartan! "Think like a general - Fight like a Spartan!"

I will stand and fight! 

[TheCreeper]

Wynne Survived that Battle, are you calling Wynne a Coward?

[AustinKain]

Just read the codex in the demo and its says that Carver was in the kings regiment, but that Hawke stayed at home in lothering with his family. So he didnt go to Ostagar. Carver showed up a month after being gone saying that everyone was dead, and thats when they all decided to run.



Thats from the demo. Champion was a coward and wasnt at Ostagar. I am not saying this as a bad thing i never have been. It just shows that he made a decision along the way to become something more.

[Satyricon331]

I'm wondering whether English might be a second language, and you're misunderstanding what "coward" is? I don't mean to impugn your grammar, it's great, but your use of the word just seems to depart from its ordinary meaning.



Otherwise, not engaging a fight doesn't entail you lack courage or something. It's just not a valid inference to draw that particular conclusion from the set of possible rationales.

[AkiKishi]

TheCreeper wrote...

Wynne Survived that Battle, are you calling Wynne a Coward?

Wynne "died" in the battle.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Sejborg wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.

It's up to the player.

I will roleplay a Spartan! "Think like a general - Fight like a Spartan!"

I will stand and fight! 

that didn't work out to well for the spartans

[AlexXIV]

DinoSteve wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.

It's up to the player.

I will roleplay a Spartan! "Think like a general - Fight like a Spartan!"

I will stand and fight! 

that didn't work out to well for the spartans

Well but they got an exaggerated movie out of it 2000 years later.

[v_ware]

AustinKain wrote...

This is not a bashing post just a realization i came to about 10 mins ago.
The Champion of Kirkwall started out running away from a fight.  He/she was at or near Ostagar and decided to leave running ans screaming away.  True it may have been to save the family, but still he/she ran.

There was nobody left to save. The Grey Warden didn't look for survivors too did he?

LETS FIGHT A HUGE ARMY AND DIE!!

Yeah that would be a fun game.

[AkiKishi]

JrayM16 wrote...

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.

It's up to the player.

Reasons don't matter its the action that makes you a coward not the reason.

It's even more ironic with the "fight like a Spartan" tagline.

Spartan women would tell their husbands and sons - before they were to head off to war - "With your shield, or on it."

[DARBanks]

AustinKain wrote...

Just read the codex in the demo and its says that Carver was in the kings regiment, but that Hawke stayed at home in lothering with his family. So he didnt go to Ostagar. Carver showed up a month after being gone saying that everyone was dead, and thats when they all decided to run.

Thats from the demo. Champion was a coward and wasnt at Ostagar. I am not saying this as a bad thing i never have been. It just shows that he made a decision along the way to become something more.

Play as a warrior or rogue and it will say that you and Carver was both at Ostagar.

[Fishy]

WOW i was hit by a DEJA-VUE.It`s not actually.

My memory is just super awesome and i remember the most insignifiant thing.It's annoying to be me.

Modifié par Suprez30, 27 février 2011 - 12:43 .

[astranger_90]

BobSmith101 wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.

It's up to the player.

Reasons don't matter its the action that makes you a coward not the reason.

It's even more ironic with the "fight like a Spartan" tagline.

Spartan women would tell their husbands and sons - before they were to head off to war - "With your shield, or on it."

I wish people would stop passing 300 quotes off as historical fact. :innocent:

[AkiKishi]

astranger_90 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.

It's up to the player.

Reasons don't matter its the action that makes you a coward not the reason.

It's even more ironic with the "fight like a Spartan" tagline.

Spartan women would tell their husbands and sons - before they were to head off to war - "With your shield, or on it."

I wish people would stop passing 300 quotes off as historical fact. :innocent:

Like the one I got off the wikipedia list of Greek phrases?

[a12boom]

Actually your all wrong. If they were to survive the battle of ostagar they would to have fled BEFORE the batttle right? WRONG Loghain and his soldiers survived and the left DURING the battle.

Oh so that would make My Human Noble a Coward who killed dozens of Howe's men who stormed the castle so i decide to join the wardens to LIVE and gain Revenge on the family's death

Modifié par a12boom, 27 février 2011 - 12:47 .

[dangeraaron]

You call it cowardice.

I call it intelligence.

Also, they stuck around untill the true coward (Loghain) betrayed the King and the battle was doomed to fail. Better to run and live to fight another day rather than be devoured by Darkspawn, that's just stupidity. I think that when the Battle of Ostagar crumbled when Loghain quit the field, I wouldn't call it deserting by leaving it afterwords.

Edit:  Let us not forget DA2's motto, "Rise to power...by any means neccessary."  If the means be to not get ripped apart by Darkspawn I'd say it is justifiable.

Modifié par dangeraaron, 27 février 2011 - 12:47 .

[Tleining]

BobSmith101 wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

Wynne Survived that Battle, are you calling Wynne a Coward?

Wynne "died" in the battle.

no, she "died" in one battle, the one at the circle tower. Not at Ostagar.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

astranger_90 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

He's either a coward or not depending on how you roleplay it. YOu could roleplay that he ran out of cowardice or out of pragmatism.

It's up to the player.

Reasons don't matter its the action that makes you a coward not the reason.

It's even more ironic with the "fight like a Spartan" tagline.

Spartan women would tell their husbands and sons - before they were to head off to war - "With your shield, or on it."

I wish people would stop passing 300 quotes off as historical fact. :innocent:

believe it or not the majority of them quotes are true

[KezzieZ]

We don't even know how long Carver (and also Hawke, depending on class) fought before having to run.

Really, it was an obvious losing battle and you can't blame a retreat after the fact that Loghain abandoned everyone was apparent. Honestly, I'd rather people escape when there was obviously no way to stop the Horde so that they could warn people of what's coming and start an evacuation than die senselessly.

[AngelicMachinery]

The warden was a coward, she hid behind Duncan?