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[Collider]

Many people say that Thane is another case of "Carth Syndrome." This is, in a nutshell, (primarily) male love interests who have had their wife, girlfriend, or love murdered. If they had a child with this woman, that child is either dead or is estranged from the male love interest. This draws particular disapproval from people if the male love interests "angsts" over their dead wife/girlfriend and/or if he compares them to the player character.

One idea why there are a notable amount of male love interests following about this similar backstory is that it's there to indicate he is "safe." After all, someone had to have liked him. In addition, it can show that he's ready, willing, and experienced for commitment/love, and can show that he's family oriented.

However, did it really add that much for Thane?

They could have, conceivably:

1. Had Thane been unmarried instead.
2. Instead of his wife being killed, he could have had his family (mother, father, etc) murdered. Or a close friend of his.
3. Kolyat could have been Thane's younger brother, or someone he was entrusted to watch over. Thane was supposed to take care of him/her, but didn't do the best job.





This would have achieved about the same effect (of the purpose of Thane joining the suicide mission, and his loyalty mission):
Thane tortured the murderers in #2. Because he believed he was responsible for this, he feels guilty and wishes to atone. The person he feels he had neglected (#3) is going down the wrong path, and Thane wants to stop them from ruining their lives.

It's different from the oft-used Carth Syndrome, but still makes Thane want to atone and stop someone from living the same life that he did.

[CroGamer002]

Well Bioware should note that in the future but what is done is done.


Thane still kicks ass.

Modifié par Mesina2, 26 février 2011 - 08:32 .

[Pwener2313]

Im sure that a lot of female gamers playing the game and romanced him kinda felt in a position of strangeness when he compared them to a dead women. Like when a romanced Jacob said that Miranda needed a better man then him. That probably left a lot of female gamers out in the cold.

[James2912]

It gave him a reason to be emo!

[Pwener2313]

James2912 wrote...

It gave him a reason to be emo!

This better not happen, for God's sake, this better not happen.

[Kim Shepard]

Personally, I liked the story about Thane's wife and son much more than the story about his illness. The effects that being an assassin has on his family life is just one of those things that interests me automatically, and there's a lot of internal conflict in the fact that he chose to have a family knowing that it would be a big risk because of his job. A situation where his parents were killed instead would have been almost impossible, as they gave him to the hanar at the age of six and he probably hasn't seen them since.

[James2912]

Well he acts pretty emo throughout the game and if you fail his loyalty mission he goes super EMO! I half expected to walk in on him playing My Chemical Romance while cutting himself!

[Pwener2313]

James2912 wrote...

Well he acts pretty emo throughout the game and if you fail his loyalty mission he goes super EMO! I half expected to walk in on him playing My Chemical Romance while cutting himself!

Have I ever said how much I hate emo and vein cutters? Freaking ridiculous people.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It really doesn't matter as long as it's written well, which it was in Thane's case. To me, Thane is a phenomenal character regardless.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 26 février 2011 - 08:45 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

It really doesn't matter as long as it's written well, which it was in Thane's case. To me, Thane is a phenomenal character regardless.

This. Thane is awesome.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I think that Thane previously having a wife affected the romance scene. He is much more experienced with relationships, and feeling strong emotions for another person. Something that (probably) none of the LI's have experienced. I think that this added to his character.
The fact that Kolyat was estranged from him, however, I found unecessary. Realistically, and it would stick to Thane's character more, if Kolyat and his father drew closer to each other, as opposed to drifting apart.
Bioware, however, are the puppeteers .
And James, the repeated emo thing is really getting old. Thane nothing like an emo, he has just had a tragic past. Emos never have a tragic past. They just think that they do to get attention. Big difference.

[Kim Shepard]

I thought the way Thane responded if you fail his loyalty mission was very well written. I'm actually planning to have one or two of my Shepards fail because I liked the dialogue so much after watching it on youtube.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

The fact that Kolyat was estranged from him, however, I found unecessary. Realistically, and it would stick to Thane's character more, if Kolyat and his father drew closer to each other, as opposed to drifting apart.

I've seen the same thing you described happen with another character and his son, but it does make sense both ways. Thane was worried that someone who had a grudge against him could attack Kolyat just like they attacked Irikah, and he came to the conclusion that Kolyat was more safe without him around. So tragic.

[Village_Idiot]

Pwener2313 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Well he acts pretty emo throughout the game and if you fail his loyalty mission he goes super EMO! I half expected to walk in on him playing My Chemical Romance while cutting himself!

Have I ever said how much I hate emo and vein cutters? Freaking ridiculous people.

[James2912]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Well he acts pretty emo throughout the game and if you fail his loyalty mission he goes super EMO! I half expected to walk in on him playing My Chemical Romance while cutting himself!

Have I ever said how much I hate emo and vein cutters? Freaking ridiculous people.

HAHAHA! You win the internet sir!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Collider starts an interesting topic, and this is what happens when people are faced with an intellectual debate. Sad, really.

[James2912]

I get it, the only intellectual point of view is to love the character of Thane, thats a really open minded way to view the world you either agree with Tasha or you or one of the deprived masses who doesn't have the brain power to understand her genius!

[jeweledleah]

in personal opinion (and I've actually learned about Carth AFTER learning about Thane), I haven't found him atractive as LI and the more I've learned about him the less attractive I found him. (not to be confused with disliking his character, I only dislike him as an LI option)


part of it was described in OP (its just too much stuff piled on, PLUS terminal disease?), but the 2 major contributing factors for me were: perfect Drell memory recall, that he falls into almost at random.
One thing is knowing that your sweetheart had someone in their life before - that's not only normal, its not unwelcome, quite another to see them remembering her so vividly and realizing that you might be one of the triggers for that recall.

Second thing was his philosophy of separating body and soul and as a consequence, absolving himself of the bulk of responsibility for the murders. I'm a big believer of taking responsibility for your actions and choices, especially as an adult, and no matter how many times I hear him describe it - I just cannot relate. a gun, a tool is not sentient. I cannot blame a tool for what it does, because it really has no choice in a matter. Thane does. He chooses to become a tool with no opinions of his own. and even feeling guilt for some of what he's done and trying to atone for it, doesn't absolve him from his underlining belief in my eyes.

somehow, I feel like Carth despite being practically a trope starter - was written better in that regard. and he had a sense of humor - something Thane doesn't seem to possess (actually its one of the deal breakers for me in RL as well)

Thane is profound, he's both sociopathic and spiritual at the same time, he's very serious and poetic - he's almost a Heathcliff, without being a jerk about it. some women find that attractive. others - the exact opposite.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 26 février 2011 - 09:57 .

[hanar05]

James2912 wrote...

I get it, the only intellectual point
of view is to love the character of Thane, thats a really open minded
way to view the world you either agree with Tasha or you or one of the
deprived masses who doesn't have the brain power to understand her
genius!

Wow, uncalled for

Modifié par hanar05, 26 février 2011 - 09:54 .

[Kim Shepard]

hanar05 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

I get it, the only intellectual point
of view is to love the character of Thane, thats a really open minded
way to view the world you either agree with Tasha or you or one of the
deprived masses who doesn't have the brain power to understand her
genius!

Wow, uncalled for

Yeah, Tasha's comment was about people calling Thane an emo cutter (which is obviously not true), not about anyone who doesn't like Thane for actual in-game reasons.

[nevar00]

lol dont u git it tane is emo cuz eh is sad and sstuf so e cut s his rists an its funy caus he cut his rists!!1!

Thane is a good character, it doesn't matter that they went with the old formula instead of trying something different. My only complaint is that there were far too many "parent/children" problems in the ME 2 loyalty missions.

Modifié par nevar00, 26 février 2011 - 10:07 .

[Dean_the_Young]

I'd say that Thane's former wife adds about as much to his character as the terminal nature of his illness.

[JamieCOTC]

I had a femShep romance Thane before. I rollplayed her to have commitment issues, so Thane was the best of both worlds. Commitment w/ an expiration date.



For me Thane is weird. I don't know what it is. In some playthroughs I look forward to talking w/ him and in others its drudgery.

[hanar05]

I personally do not think Thane is emo.