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[Kawazaku]

I've played trough Origins twice as a 2H wawrrior, now I'm going through as a DW warrior. Here is what I have been told, and it doesn't work well:

My Character: Get Dex to 36, than the rest in Strength
Alistair: Pump Dex until he can't be hit, than his strength
Leliana: I don't even know, every playthrough she is god awful and beyond useless
Wynne: Pump Magic and Heal

I defintely want to keepy wynne, I want a healer, would you guys change anything about my setup? Would you take Sten as a tank instead of Alistair and build him with a sword and shield? Would you switch out Leliana for Morrigna(I heard she can be extremely good) but I want A LOT of damage in my party. It seems the only one doing damage is me. What build would you give morrigan to do a ton of damage?

[Ferretinabun]

Well there's certainly nothing wrong with your current setup. It's a perfectly sensible party. Though I hope you're not taking 'pump Dex until he can't be hit' for Alistair too literally, otherwise you'll never get him doing decent damage. Bottom line is, as a sword and shield warrior, Alistair is more of a punchbag tank than a damage dealer. If your aim is to be dishing out big numbers, then yes, Sten is probably the better bet. He's a bit more fragile, but you have Wynne, so just make sure she keeps an eye on him.

Leliana, I'm assuming you're using as an archer? They do take a long time to get going, but they can be pretty useful by the late game. Pump her dexterity until she can equip her personal bow, and then pump both dex and cun as required. She can be weak early game, so you can swap her out for Morrigan. Sounds like you'll probably be giving her damage spells, but she can be an awesome crowd controller, which makes life easier for your melee characters, if they're dying a lot (The Crushing Prison line and Sleep line are both excellent for her, though Nightmare is of debatable use). The drawback is you'll be missing a rogue for those traps and chests, unless you take Zevran - but with no lockpicking points he's not much use as a rogue right off the bat either. You could always simply revisit locations with Lel to go looting for goodies after you've cleared them, but do you have the patience for that?

And for yourself, I'd just get enough strength to equip the armour you want (no heavier than medium) and then pump dex. It'll add to your damage AND your defence. There's no reason to prefer strength here.

[Kawazaku]

Ok, but if I pump Strength on my main, would I be doing mroe with 2 swords? Also do you have a good setup for Morrigan? I heard she can be a really good damage dealer.

[SuicidalBaby]

Make Leliana 2 daggers and pump passive dw ability line till 3rd tier, you get bleeds. 2 dex 1 cunning till 36 dex then all cunning. Pick up her deft hands occasionally so yo dont miss trap/locked chest xp. Lethality asap, bard/dualist is most effective. Single archer is slow dps and under buffed.

Alister can be 100% dodge and magic immune with items alone, so putting any points into dex past the required 26 for talents is nothing but a waste.



Wynne will shine as a Spirit Healer/Blood Mage or Arcane Warrior. Play styles differgreatly so I wont go into detail here. She owns, that covers her.



So far your DW sounds ok, you will do more damage with 2 daggers though. Builds are aplenty if searched for on these forums.



Sten can replace Alister, but you need to keep him well equiped.

[Kawazaku]

Alright, sorry for all the questions, but is Zevran just as good as Leliana? I played the same 4 characters every single time, I was wondering if there are alternatives.

[SuicidalBaby]

Kawazaku wrote...

Ok, but if I pump Strength on my main, would I be doing mroe with 2 swords? Also do you have a good setup for Morrigan? I heard she can be a really good damage dealer.

Morrigan is best for off-heals, controll, and single target damage early on. DO NOT GO SLEEP/NIGHTMARE LINE. Your first choice should be the glyph line with her, especially if you had Wynne get haste right away.
Use these tactics with glyphs.
enemy: using magic attack | cast: Glyph of Paralysis
Ally: being attacked by melee attack | cast: Glyph of Warding
the rest should involve ally heal
self less than 90 %health cas drain life.
and the other damage spells on nearest enemy.

Learn the glyph bomb combo by casting glyph of paralysis then glyph of repulsion on top of it for an unresistable long, very long mass paralysis aoe. With practice you can hit every enemy hittin you tank without catching him in the explosion. Forget sleep, crushing prison and the other crap.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 26 février 2011 - 10:04 .

[SuicidalBaby]

Kawazaku wrote...

Alright, sorry for all the questions, but is Zevran just as good as Leliana? I played the same 4 characters every single time, I was wondering if there are alternatives.

zev cant pp or lockpick. hes better for groups with leliana so you can stack 2 songs of courage.

[Kawazaku]

So basically with Morrigan it's just paralyzing others? I heard she's good with Frost moves andMana clash. It's too late for Leliana to do backstabbing, i've already put points into her archey.

Modifié par Kawazaku, 26 février 2011 - 10:18 .

[SuicidalBaby]

even low end dw out classes archery with the right equipment.
and to clairify
2 swords = str build
2 daggers = dex build
Morrigan is damage, the rune bomb takes all of 2 second to cast. Wynne is damage with no one to heal. The more damage you put out the less you have to heal. Paralysis will hold you over till later when you have enough mana to make use of Spell Might, other wise you burn through mana to fast and are spending 4 talent points for 1 spell used 20% of the time when paralysis is 100-200% of the time.
The reason you only put points in magic is because there is a hidden +1 con and + 1 will every level. So you dont waste points in areas that dont boost damage.
Since Leliana is not in melee dont be afraid to get AoE damage spells to drop on Alister. Fireball works well after Alister gets Shield Wall.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 26 février 2011 - 10:57 .

[Kawazaku]

Ok, so is it posible for me to deal good damage with Wynne, Me, AListair, and Morrigan?

[SuicidalBaby]

Yes, just start fights on Morrigan so you can set up the glyph bomb. With practice, like I said you can shave Alister out of the effect radius. Also the glyphs do not need to be right on top of each other, this allows for more control over the effect radius. The combo also works on any paralyzed target and a repulsion rune cast. You can have the paralyze glyph down and barely hit the large outter circle with your repulsion glyph to trigger it along that radial. So you can adjust it if targets aren't just right. It's still a bit of a guess because you don't see the effect area displayed when you're about to cast the 2nd glyph. Just takes experience.



This combo will make everything easier. The line of spells alone. Got a tough spell caster that wont go down, you can use the Glyph of Neutralization at the end of the line to dispel him and drain his mana. This line is quite possibly the best spell line in the game as far as utility.



To answer your question simply, yes. Morrigan is more of a control, back up heals when needed with damage opening and ending during the fight. Any mage in the group will make fights easier. The lack of a rogue will cost you experience, time, and allow traps to become a hindrance to you.

[Kawazaku]

True, also, I wouldn't be able to open chests....damnit!

[SuicidalBaby]

Be aware of an attack speed bug with momentum and haste. They take you over the .5 threshold which negates your momentum completely. Activating Precise strikes slows you to .45 and allows for the best attack speed in the game.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 27 février 2011 - 03:18 .

[AntiGrav1ty]

There are some pretty good items for Archers out there. You can get over 100% chance of crit with Leliana which means every shot hits for ~200 Damage. It's very handy to have an archer anyways. They can interrupt mages or hit other range mobs which are hard to reach for your melees.

- get items with rapid aim and critical chance (repeater gloves are very strong, if you have return to ostagar)
- use "aim" and "song of courage" as main sustainables (with song of courage activated first it really boosts your crit chance a lot)
- skill master archery to improve aim and take duelist if you have trouble with ur attack score
- just use auto-attack and don't use any abilities for they have a conjuration time of 3 seconds. Instead you can just shoot for 600 dmg.

-Dexterity as much as is needed for her equipment, the rest into Cunning for armor penetration, damage with lethality and to boost song of courage

Bad thing is that leliana is very poorly skilled from the get-go. You either have to wait a few levels to get her right or you have to use a respec mod.


As for the other characters:

I like the dextery-tank builds. Alistair is gonna need a decent amount of strength to wear equip anyways, so just put the rest into dexterity. With the right equip and maybe enchanting his damage should be decent.
With a little damage from Alistair, your character as main damage-dealer and possibly leliana you should have enough damage output in your party.

Skill manaclash on wynne (makes fights against mages ridiculously easy) and go for heal and crowdcontrol. I also like crushing prison against mages to stop them from decimating my party with a bunch of aoe spells.

Set healing tactics properly, taunt properly and take care of threat management. Then just focus everything until you win the fight.


Btw: If you are using 2 swords with your main then you don't really need Dexterity beyond your skill-requirements. Dex does not improve damage of swords and you are not supposed to tank damage anyways, so defence is no concern for you. Go pure strength if that is the case.

Modifié par AntiGrav1ty, 27 février 2011 - 06:56 .

[Sandy2009]

Kawazaku wrote...

I've played trough Origins twice as a 2H wawrrior, now I'm going through as a DW warrior. Here is what I have been told, and it doesn't work well:

My Character: Get Dex to 36, than the rest in Strength
Alistair: Pump Dex until he can't be hit, than his strength
Leliana: I don't even know, every playthrough she is god awful and beyond useless
Wynne: Pump Magic and Heal

I defintely want to keepy wynne, I want a healer, would you guys change anything about my setup? Would you take Sten as a tank instead of Alistair and build him with a sword and shield? Would you switch out Leliana for Morrigna(I heard she can be extremely good) but I want A LOT of damage in my party. It seems the only one doing damage is me. What build would you give morrigan to do a ton of damage?

Since you are warrior, you don't need Alistair. I will switch Alistair for Morrigan. She is the best damage dealer in the game. You current party cannot deliver AOE spells, that's why fights feel like chore.

Get Morrigan cone of cold, Blizzard, Sleep, walking nightmare and tempest. Watch her rip through your enemies like knife goes through butter. At higher level get her crushing prison. Don't forget to buy her jewellery, she loves it.  

Other thing to keep in mind is the way origins story is written, Morrigan is the most interesting character in the game. Her companion quest, her stuff that happen at the end of game is very important to the story. You won't feel anything for her if you never had her in your party. That is missing out on big chunk of origins experience.

I get Wynne glyph line, but she is mostly defensive mage... healer.

Leliana is awesome with archery. Do her personal quest to get her personal bow. You also need her to detect traps and make bombs. I personally don't like Zhavran.

Modifié par Sandy2009, 28 février 2011 - 05:52 .

[SuicidalBaby]

Use zev to make bombs, you're wasting skill points having Leliana learn poison making.

[Sandy2009]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

Use zev to make bombs, you're wasting skill points having Leliana learn poison making.

ok I didn't realize Zhavran already comes with bomb making skills. I always have Leliana in my party and Zhavran is never there. So it is easier to just have her make bomb as soon as new ingredient is found. Even inside dungeons she can do it if you carry enough corrupter agent. If Zev is the only one who can do it, you will have to go back to camp.

[SuicidalBaby]

Well this game is about planning ahead. Zev comes with 4 points in poison making.

[Sandy2009]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

Well this game is about planning ahead. Zev comes with 4 points in poison making.

Planning ahead... my long term plan was to make babies with Leliana. Zev can't do that.

[SuicidalBaby]

Zev can make babies with Leliana.

[Twaddlefish]

Zev can back away from my bit of gingery French crumpet.

[Alren]

One playthrough I really like was:
PC: strength based sword/sword DW beserker/champion
Zevran - Cun based dagger/dagger bard/assasin
Leiliana - Cun based dagger/dagger bard/duelist
Wynne - heal/haste bot

(yes 2 songs of courage stack)

I used whirlwind, dual weapon sweep, and taunt to hold aggro, and positioned both zev and leiliana behind the enemy, watching them both backstab spam a target under haste is hilarious, they look like psychotic little kids butchering people

I pretty much meat grindered the whole game and while is was extremely easy, it got a bit boring. especially after i got wynne to use the tactic:

Enemy>Using attack type> magic --> Cast mana clash

she one shots mages before they can cast misdirection hex and your dual wielding trio tear everything apart in seconds

[Alex Kershaw]

PC: DW Rogue (I hit 52% of my party's damage on nightmare):
Get Dex to double Cunning and then keep the ratio at 2:1 weighted to Dex. Never put points into anything else. You can use items to equip high gear; in fact if you visit all the shops and buy things that give +1 or +2 to strength or all stats, you should be able to equip 20 strength leather gear very early in the game.

Alistair: Tank
Raise Strength and Dex equally as 1:1 until Strength hits 32, which is enough for all sword/shield talents (even though you shouldn't use them very often to keep stamina for taunt, it's a decent level to stop at) then pump everything into Dex. Alistair's job isn't to do damage, but to hold aggro. It's easy to fall into the trap of raising strength so he hits, but your PC will be doing that. Make him hold aggro with Threaten, massive armour, taunt and shield wall.

Morrigan: DPS mage
A second rogue would be potentially better here but they require a lot of micro-management, unlike mages where the tactics screen suffices. Also, access to Force Field/Nightmare Prison owns for keep yellow-texts out of the fight until the end. Anyway, get Magic to twice as much as Willpower then keep the ratio at 2:1 to Magic.

Wynne: Healer
Self-explanatory, but I'd get a second Force Field/Nightmare Prison too and then get Mana Clash when you can. Pump Willpower to twice Magic then keep it at 2:1 to Willpower.

Works for me although there will obviously be better line-ups. This one is good enough to easily beat the game on Nightmare mode though.