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[Vahe]

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

[panamakira]

I really like Kirkwall. I like it much better than Redcliffe or Denerim.... A bit empty but then again I didn't that many NPCs in Denerim~

[MasterSamson88]

Was hoping for a few more people in Kirkwall, but eh I can deal.

[Wompoo]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

And you expected what, a thousand NPCs filling the city? There are clearly people around in most of the city areas. I don't need to feel like I'm stuck in Kolkata.

For the most part it looked like a ghost town, a lack of ambiance in the video in general, loved the city art however... but the game world looks barron empty and and almost lifeless. I don't need to feel as if I am in Calcutta either, but what I seen in that video was disappointingly sparse to empty.

[Aumata]

Morducai wrote...

YUCK. Brown, brown, brown aaaaand...Light brown. What the hell happened to the vibrant colors Origin's had? Is this Dragon Age or Gears of DragonAge? Maybe if I delude myself that I am playing a Dune based game then it'll be better.

Everything just looks so bland and uninspiring.

Actually Gears had more color than what I seen in Kirkwall.

[Demx]

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Then explain the cities in Assassin's creed.

[Aumata]

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Yet I can say that Assassin Creed 2 is not only a better looking game but has more people than DA2.  Stop blamimg consoles for everything/

[JamieCOTC]

I imagined Kirkwall to be bustling w/ life. Maybe it's just that part in the vid?

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 27 février 2011 - 05:53 .

[Vahe]

Siradix wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Then explain the cities in Assassin's creed.

Aumata wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can
stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these
days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Yet I can
say that Assassin Creed 2 is not only a better looking game but has
more people than DA2.  Stop blamimg consoles for everything/

Assassin's creed is one big map and assets are streamed as needed.  Different engine.  There's no streaming in Dragon Age, you load everything into memory at once.  So that area behind the building which you can't see is still loaded into memory.  RPG's work differently from action adventure games. 

Summary: consoles.

[Casuist]

Siradix wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Then explain the cities in Assassin's creed.

Indeed, a realistic economy demands 6 prostitutes on every street corner, plus a thief and a mercenary to match.

[Itkovian]

Yes, the slums look brown and dreary. No surprise there.
Considering reviews have been saying they've rectified DAO's perceived blandness, I wouldn't be too worried.
Itkovian

[panamakira]

Siradix wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Then explain the cities in Assassin's creed.

lol.....such ugly unrealistic cities~

[Demx]

Vahe wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Then explain the cities in Assassin's creed.

Aumata wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can
stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these
days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Yet I can
say that Assassin Creed 2 is not only a better looking game but has
more people than DA2.  Stop blamimg consoles for everything/

Assassin's creed is one big map and assets are streamed as needed.  Different engine.  There's no streaming in Dragon Age, you load everything into memory at once.  So that area behind the building which you can't see is still loaded into memory.  RPG's work differently from action adventure games. 

Summary: consoles.

Your argument previously said that the consoles cannot handle that many NPCs, so blame them instead. And now you are saying it's because the engines are different. Are you now saying that the engine is at fault now?

[Catsith]

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Stop with the bs. Even JRPGs on the Wii like Last Story can have a town full of wandering NPCs.

The issue here is all of these RPGs that have vibrant cities like the Witcher, Fable games, Bethesda's RPGs, FFXII, etc, all have the player controlling one character in these hubs. Bioware choose to have a full party in towns in their games and can't deal with the pathfinding, so they strip out wandering NPCs for convenience.

[BeardedNinja]

Aumata wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Yet I can say that Assassin Creed 2 is not only a better looking game but has more people than DA2.  Stop blamimg consoles for everything/

Might as well tell him that up is down and black is white, there is just no arguing with someone who has decided to blame all his woes on one thing.

[Vahe]

Siradix wrote...

Vahe wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Then explain the cities in Assassin's creed.

Aumata wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can
stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these
days. Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Yet I can
say that Assassin Creed 2 is not only a better looking game but has
more people than DA2.  Stop blamimg consoles for everything/

Assassin's creed is one big map and assets are streamed as needed.  Different engine.  There's no streaming in Dragon Age, you load everything into memory at once.  So that area behind the building which you can't see is still loaded into memory.  RPG's work differently from action adventure games. 

Summary: consoles.

Your argument previously said that the consoles cannot handle that many NPCs, so blame them instead. And now you are saying it's because the engines are different. Are you now saying that the engine is at fault now?

Yes, consoles are at fault.  You'll be pleased to know that a mod will probably come out on PC that will add tons of NPC's to the empty areas. 

Catsith wrote...

Vahe wrote...

You guys can
stop blaming BioWare for the lack of NPC's. That's how it is these days.
Blame consoles and their 256MB of RAM.

Stop with the bs. Even JRPGs on the Wii like Last Story can have a town full of wandering NPCs.

The
issue here is all of these RPGs that have vibrant cities like the
Witcher, Fable games, Bethesda's RPGs, FFXII, etc, all have the player
controlling one character in these hubs. Bioware choose to have a full
party in towns in their games and can't deal with the pathfinding, so
they strip out wandering NPCs for convenience.

That's nice.  JRPGs are nice.  The Wii is nice.  And I'm sure that the textures are comparable to Dragon Age 2 textures, and I'm sure they take up as much memory.  But let's compare it to something relevant, like say, Fallout: New Vegas.  The developers stated that the reason why New Vegas was so barren was because of console memory limits.  And guess what, mods came out that not only made a once-loading-screen-infested area completely contiguous, but it also added a bunch of NPCs. 

Or you guys can just assume that BioWare purposely made the areas empty to ****** you off. 

Modifié par Vahe, 27 février 2011 - 06:08 .

[Silver Direwolf]

Well I for one thought it looked pretty good, so I don't get why there's so much hate. Though I'm an idiot, so I must be missing obvious flaws.

It looks like they're going to up their Dragon count by upgrading drakes to full blown dragons

[LilyasAvalon]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

And you expected what, a thousand NPCs filling the city? There are clearly people around in most of the city areas. I don't need to feel like I'm stuck in Kolkata.

Agreeing with this poster, it's not like the city is completely dead or something.

[ralph2190]

Kirkwall looks great. I dunno what you guys are going on about.

[Count Viceroy]

I liked it. That people find yet another thing to complain about is not suprising.

[SonvarTheMighty]

@OP
Didn't look lifeless to me. Seemed about appropriate for what I would expect coming from DAO.

[Maria Caliban]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Kirkwall is pretty bland, but atmospheric!

*confused*

[Maria Caliban]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

And you expected what, a thousand NPCs filling the city?

The last game urban based game I played was Assassin's Creed II.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 février 2011 - 07:22 .

[HolyAvenger]

I liked the bits of Kirkwall we saw. Quite slummy and plenty of people. Wonder what difficulty that combat was on.

[o_CLeVeR_o]

Random side note

at around 2:15-2:20 you can hear Anders say "this is my favorite part", which was one of his battle lines from awakening, so maybe he hasn't changed to much =)

btw i actually like the look of Kirkwall, only complaint is that you'd expect more people, but nothing game breaking