Aesieru wrote...
In any case, I think comparing Westwood to BioWare is a HUGE jump..
Bullfrog. Enough said.
My (calm, measured, and detailed) concerns about DA2 (that have absolutely nothing to do with The Witcher 2)/An open letter to BioWare
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#101
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:26
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Bullfrog. Enough said.
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#102
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:27
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government and politics degree motha****a!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#103
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:28
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Getting back to the topic: I guess I am not that picky but I tend not to be too critical; if I don't like a game it is usually very apparent at first and I don't make an issue of it. For example, today I downloaded the demo fo Shogun 2 total war and found it not to be to my liking as I not a fan of those sorts of games anyway...but I rant about it.
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:38
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How do you feel about comma splices?JohnEpler wrote...
I have a degree in English Literature, I certainly don't feel as though I wasted my time
#105
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:38
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Wow. I agree on almost all points with the OP. Well said.
Though there is a certain succinctness to saying the Darkspawn now just seem like easily disposable cartoon cannon fodder, à la TMNT's footclan or something.
Though there is a certain succinctness to saying the Darkspawn now just seem like easily disposable cartoon cannon fodder, à la TMNT's footclan or something.
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:41
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Splendid, splendid, marvellous points in the OP. I award thee with Sten-branded cookies 
Anywho, onto the main stuff. I very much agree the new style takes away DA's original sense of realism and grittiness.
However I have Aveline and Wesley to thank for high hopes. That death scene was both brutal and heart-wrenching. I felt Aveline and Wesley were real people in a real world at that moment, regardless of the new style. If DA2 continues to give me that feeling when interacting within Kirkwall, I will be a happy panda.
Anywho, onto the main stuff. I very much agree the new style takes away DA's original sense of realism and grittiness.
However I have Aveline and Wesley to thank for high hopes. That death scene was both brutal and heart-wrenching. I felt Aveline and Wesley were real people in a real world at that moment, regardless of the new style. If DA2 continues to give me that feeling when interacting within Kirkwall, I will be a happy panda.
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:43
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Hey Exyle19, thank you for taking the time to write a nicely written "wall of text".
About the visual identity thing, I'm not sure what to think. Maybe it's just a matter of lighting/textures in the game. Everything seems more bright and clean compared to Origins.
This is a good way to put it -- Lothering as a "bright, clean" wasteland. I just restarted DAO a couple hours ago so can compare and the old world is dirtier. The old combat I like, the new is just way over the top silly.
My guess is that playing DA2 will be playing Hawke's story -- as opposed to my warden's story. I am sure it will be fun and really it is the story I am holding out for. But I am really disappointed in what I have seen so far. I think the changes in art direction did not require combat to be arcade like.
It does say a lot in Bioware's favor that so many of us are here posting opinions when we could be off playing a game.
#108
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:44
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Maria Caliban wrote...
How do you feel about comma splices?JohnEpler wrote...
I have a degree in English Literature, I certainly don't feel as though I wasted my time
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
#109
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:46
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JohnEpler wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
How do you feel about comma splices?JohnEpler wrote...
I have a degree in English Literature, I certainly don't feel as though I wasted my time
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
Ok, then what is your opinion on the Twilight series and what it has done to Vampires?
#110
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:48
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JohnEpler wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
How do you feel about comma splices?JohnEpler wrote...
I have a degree in English Literature, I certainly don't feel as though I wasted my time
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
Hmm...you have a job. I wish I could do writing for a computer game company.
#111
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:49
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Saphara wrote...
JohnEpler wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
How do you feel about comma splices?JohnEpler wrote...
I have a degree in English Literature, I certainly don't feel as though I wasted my time
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
Ok, then what is your opinion on the Twilight series and what it has done to Vampires?
oh DO TELL!
#112
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:49
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JohnEpler wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
How do you feel about comma splices?JohnEpler wrote...
I have a degree in English Literature, I certainly don't feel as though I wasted my time
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
It's funny how some people always want to outsmart others. Makes me giggle.
And since when stood the knowledge of comma splices for anything?
Modifié par v_ware, 27 février 2011 - 12:49 .
#113
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:53
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Props to the OP. A very well reasoned and thought out post. Appreciate your opinion and for waiting to think over things rather then having a knee jerk reaction. I for one cant wait for March 8.
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:57
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@ OP
You provide an interesting perspective and I can understand how the changes may have effected your perception of the eventual release. I'll offer an analogy that, perhaps, will allow you to continue assessing the demo in a new light:
I was down at the Galleries yesterday checking out some impressionist material. I was doing that thing where you start looking at a painting from one end of the room and then slowly take one step at a time toward the painting. It's important to re-assess the painting with each step. From afar I can see the whole painting and the artistic feel is transmitted fully, but with each step the detail becomes increasingly detached from this 'whole picture' assessment. Eventually I'm inches away from just a handful of dots and am observing the mechanical aspects of the painting rather than any intended transmission that the artist may have been trying for.
So, to extend that to the demo: To me the demo is staring at the picture from a foot away. It provides a very specific perspective and not the whole picture. Sure we can get a hint at the artistic direction as a whole. But I believe that in no way can we assess the whole from a subset of its parts.
Nice post OP.
You provide an interesting perspective and I can understand how the changes may have effected your perception of the eventual release. I'll offer an analogy that, perhaps, will allow you to continue assessing the demo in a new light:
I was down at the Galleries yesterday checking out some impressionist material. I was doing that thing where you start looking at a painting from one end of the room and then slowly take one step at a time toward the painting. It's important to re-assess the painting with each step. From afar I can see the whole painting and the artistic feel is transmitted fully, but with each step the detail becomes increasingly detached from this 'whole picture' assessment. Eventually I'm inches away from just a handful of dots and am observing the mechanical aspects of the painting rather than any intended transmission that the artist may have been trying for.
So, to extend that to the demo: To me the demo is staring at the picture from a foot away. It provides a very specific perspective and not the whole picture. Sure we can get a hint at the artistic direction as a whole. But I believe that in no way can we assess the whole from a subset of its parts.
Nice post OP.
Modifié par Glaucon, 27 février 2011 - 01:02 .
#115
Posté 27 février 2011 - 12:58
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How did you go from English Lit to cinematic guy?JohnEpler wrote...
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
#116
Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:02
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I respect your opinion, but to me, the darkspawn were always fodder for my sword and shield to get smeared with viscera, but I do see your point on how they look far less menacing.
Much of the world's appearance still feels the same to me, the clothing in the beginning still screams Ferelden working class, the Qunari now look like the imposing giants that they are. The Dalish look far more like the forest dwellers that they're supposed to be, combat animations look far more lively.
As much as I enjoyed DA:O, and subsequently invested hundreds of hours, to me it felt stiff, I don't know how else to describe it. I see where you're coming from, but I welcome the changes.
Much of the world's appearance still feels the same to me, the clothing in the beginning still screams Ferelden working class, the Qunari now look like the imposing giants that they are. The Dalish look far more like the forest dwellers that they're supposed to be, combat animations look far more lively.
As much as I enjoyed DA:O, and subsequently invested hundreds of hours, to me it felt stiff, I don't know how else to describe it. I see where you're coming from, but I welcome the changes.
#117
Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:02
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Maria Caliban wrote...
How did you go from English Lit to cinematic guy?JohnEpler wrote...
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
Veritable miracle, no doubt.
#118
Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:03
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Persistence, focus, and determination.
#119
Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:07
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Maria Caliban wrote...
How did you go from English Lit to cinematic guy?JohnEpler wrote...
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
Well, my minor was in Film Studies. Mostly, though, I wanted to get into the storytelling side of video games, and after spending a good six months working with the Cinematic Design team on ME2, I realized that I wanted to do what they did.
Also, movie star good looks. Well, no, but I've been told that I look kind of like Jamie Oliver.
#120
Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:13
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v_ware wrote...
And since when stood the knowledge of comma splices for anything?
Writing is a form of communication. The English language has a large set of grammatical rules so we can communicate with one another in a clear and understandable manner. The knowledge of comma splices 'stands for' a willingness to learn these rules and put effort into what you write so someone else can read you with a minimal amount of difficulty.
After all, someone should be able to quickly engage with the content of your words and not have to struggle with the words themselves.
#121
Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:15
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Please... I may have a vocabulary of over 40,000 words, but PLEASE ... leave my grammar alone.
It's not my fault they never taught me...
It's not my fault they never taught me...
#122
Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:18
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Maria Caliban wrote...
v_ware wrote...
And since when stood the knowledge of comma splices for anything?
Writing is a form of communication. The English language has a large set of grammatical rules so we can communicate with one another in a clear and understandable manner. The knowledge of comma splices 'stands for' a willingness to learn these rules and put effort into what you write so someone else can read you with a minimal amount of difficulty.
After all, someone should be able to quickly engage with the content of your words and not have to struggle with the words themselves.
Though it is necessary to distinguish between prescriptive grammatical rules and descriptive, You are clearly referring to the former.
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:19
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JohnEpler wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
How did you go from English Lit to cinematic guy?JohnEpler wrote...
The beauty is that I have a degree in English Literature and not writing.
When I'm called on simple grammatical errors, I can just say 'well it's not my fault! I just learned how to appreciate writing.'
Well, my minor was in Film Studies. Mostly, though, I wanted to get into the storytelling side of video games, and after spending a good six months working with the Cinematic Design team on ME2, I realized that I wanted to do what they did.
Also, movie star good looks. Well, no, but I've been told that I look kind of like Jamie Oliver.
I hope they are wrong. For you.
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Posté 27 février 2011 - 01:20
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I think it's spelled 'coma'. Nobody on the internet cares for correct spelling anymore.Dhiro wrote...
...What is a "comma"?
