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[Whereto]

Ya great a little blurb says that humankind is under attack, what do u think, they are going to say the asari race is under attack ?

[GraciousCat]

Whereto wrote...

Ya great a little blurb says that humankind is under attack, what do u think, they are going to say the asari race is under attack ?

No, but they could have said that the galaxy is under attack or something to that effect.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Honestly, I think it's more likely that they DO hit the Citadel first (Keep in mind, the Reapers are not omnescient; they don't know the locations of each individual world, they need that information from the Citadel.) And from there they branch out to start hitting each of the races individually, with the bulk of their might focused on the humans. That way, the 'rally the races' thing would be less of a "hey, the reapers are here now, want to come help us fight them' and more of a 'Shepard acts as the rallying point for the survivors of the initial attack'.

[Whereto]

It's a lot more griping to see humanity rather than the galaxy. Remember they are trying to sell this to people that may not have heard of the series before, so saving humanity is a lot closer to home for them.

[GraciousCat]

Whereto wrote...

It's a lot more griping to see humanity rather than the galaxy. Remember they are trying to sell this to people that may not have heard of the series before, so saving humanity is a lot closer to home for them.

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand why they're singling out humanity from a marketing standpoint. I just hope it doesn't impact the game story-wise in terms of being believable.

Modifié par GraciousCat, 27 février 2011 - 01:07 .

[Pwener2313]

Fine, they want to impact, but a galaxy wide war between all races is better. So a race of killer machines invades the galaxy and some races refuse to fight? That makes no sense.

[Whereto]

I don't think it will effect the game, there would be to much out rage from fans if the reapers only came for earth. Though if everyone could think from a marketing perspective, the blurb is more effect because of humanity rather than galaxy wording, thus we wouldn't be having this problem. If you think about it, they are trying to attarct a larger audience which has cod players in it- they can't even save their money let alone the galaxy

[Whatever42]

This is pretty typical. People speculate for months (or even longer) and expectations go in every direction and then people start getting nervous that those expectations won't be met. Relax. It probably won't be exactly what you expect but it will still be awesome.

[Pwener2313]

BW hasn't let us down yet, so Im just beating around the bush.

Modifié par Pwener2313, 27 février 2011 - 01:27 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

This is pretty typical. People speculate for months (or even longer) and expectations go in every direction and then people start getting nervous that those expectations won't be met. Relax. It probably won't be exactly what you expect but it will still be awesome.

Bah, I'm not worried. I've been a BW fan since back in the Baldur's Gate day. This is just fun for me; trying to outguess the developer, coming up with all sorts of wacky angles and ideas. 

Plus, y'know, there's the ever-popular 'I Told You So' I get to toss out if I happen to be right. 

Been a while since i leveled up my internet c**k. 

[Pwener2313]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Been a while since i leveled up my internet c**k. 

If you're real one life can't, then.....



Anyway, Im sure I'll love ME3 no matter what, Im just worried about Mac walters after that awful comic was released. And that new guy from Black Swam. Jack Wall was great, why fix it if it ain't broke?

[GraciousCat]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

This is pretty typical. People speculate for months (or even longer) and expectations go in every direction and then people start getting nervous that those expectations won't be met. Relax. It probably won't be exactly what you expect but it will still be awesome.

Yeah, I'm not really worried about that, I have complete faith in Bioware that they know what they're doing.

Modifié par GraciousCat, 27 février 2011 - 01:46 .

[PARAGON87]

In ME3 I really hope that Reaper-killing isn't dumbed-down and made to look incredibly easy.

I mean it took an entire fleet just to take down one in ME1.

(Maybe if that entire fleet had upgraded Thanix cannons, but still I would bet they would have trouble.)

[charmingcharlie]

Pwener2313 wrote...

So a race of killer machines invades the galaxy and some races refuse to fight? That makes no sense.

Actually it makes a lot of sense, I would even go as far to say you will find races actually working with the Reapers.  This will be partly due to indoctrination and partly the mistaken belief "they will be spared if they help the Reapers".

When faced with a threat like the Reapers it will effectively be "every race for itself" that is probably what Shepard will have to over come.  Some races like the Turians may choose to go down guns blazing other races like the Volus may think "hey lets show the Reaper dudes we are useful and they will spare us".

I honestly do not believe ME 3 will be all that "Earth Centric" but the promotional material is Earth centric because Bioware has seen how popular the idea of Earth playing a role in ME is

[Pwener2313]

Well, centering Earth hasn't worked very well so far.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Personally, I think the Elcore are gonna bust out and save us all.

[PHub88]

Of course it will be made into something small I wish there would be 5 games but this being the last makes it a dang fact for me at least...I swear its like I am the only person who ever has sat down and taken perspective of some of the things the Reapers have said...not to mention actually taken their age as more than a number...and actually realized how ridiculously low the odds of this galaxy being able to win without it being incredibly cheesey..especially seeing as how the entire war is going to span ONE game.

The Reapers wait approx 50,000 years for organic galactic civilization to build itself back up...then they come and invade, suck up all resources...build a new Reaper or Reapers...Vigil told us it took several CENTURIES for them to fully whip out the Protheans...the span of one game is maybe a few months? That already poses a problem...

The derelict reaper is said to be 37 million years old...lets not look at that as a number...and actually look at it for what it represents...Every 50,000 years they come back and kick everyones azz right? Lets do a litle bit of math...We, well I dont know how old the Reapers are...but lets just look at that 37 MILLION year mark...

Do you realize that age alone suggests the Reapers have defeated an entire galaxy SEVEN HUNDRED AND FOURTY TIMES since just that point in time? If a boxer or a fighter goes 740-0 in his career...he just doesnt lose...The fact we will defeat the Reapers in ME3 seems laughable to me...and pretty ridiculous given how little time is left to do this...especialy when you consider their age and experience...it would be like a single man going head to head with an actual God or something...

There is one game left...and we are going to defeat a race of hyper advanced starships in a matter of months....whom have repeated this pattern for at least 800 times before, maybe even 2000..we dont know how old they are?! The story Bioware gives us makes it seem dumb to assume the Protheans where the most advanced out of any others, there was probably species out there 4-5 times as advanced as the Protheans who the Reapers crushed..We know nothing other than every current species in the Galaxy has only been around for not even the smallest fraction of time as the Reapers have been....It just seems idiotic when I think of it that way....this should be hard...nearly impossible....and yet its gonna happen in just ONE more game

ME1 story is what struck my main interest...right away I picked up on just how ridiculous the concept of the Reapers where...I was drawn to how INSANE the idea of beating them would be....I always wondered how they could pull this off...and if Bioware manages to do this in a semi good way...I will be SHOCKED...not because I dont like Bioware...but because I highly doubt they have the time to wrap this up without severely going back on how powerful they have already made the Reapers out to be.

[charmingcharlie]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Well, centering Earth hasn't worked very well so far.

That depends on what side of the fence you are on. I personally loved the CGI trailer it got me incredibly hyped for ME 3 (in other words it did it's job). I am over the moon that we will finally get to see Earth have some role in ME rather than it being some sort of vague idea out there.

Looking at some of the reaction outside of the ME forums the trailer was very well received and got a lot of people hyped and talking about ME 3. The only downside is a few fans on the forum have decided that ME 3 is going to be all about Earth and they hate the idea.

Now I personally do not want a game all about Earth, nor do I want a stupid situation where the Reapers charge in and fight every Tom, Dick and Harry (that just does not make sense). However till we actually have more information on what the story line and plot is going to be I am not going to come to the conclusion that it is going to be all about Earth based on a 1 min hype trailer and some promotion blurb.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 27 février 2011 - 02:10 .

[PHub88]

and for the record...Im gonna be really annoyed if we dont get some incite on the origin of the Reapers....Out of any other game...the Reapers fascinate me...I want to know where they came from...

[Gentleman Moogle]

Here's how I'd counter the 'the Reapers wiped out civilization 740 tiems!" argument. First, on their 741st attempt, something went wrong. Something that had never gone wrong in 740 times. Something they clearly never expected to go wrong (The Protheans re-wiring the Keepers). Conclusion? Reapers are fallible.

Second; the mere fact that the Protheans were ABLE to re-wire the keepers suggests that there are weaknesses to the Reapers. They may be small, they may not be much, but if one weakness exists, chances are it can be exploited.

Third; keep in mind, those other 740 times? Every single one of them was a surprise attack that destroyed government and military cohesiveness from the get-go. This time? We're prepared for them. We know they're coming. Surprise is an enormous advantage; lack of surprise can be just as huge a disadvantage.

Lastly, and most importantly, I'm convinced that Bioware is playing up the "Humans are unique" angle. Humans came late onto the Galactic scene, but have since become as powerful -- if not moreso -- as all the other council races. A human defeated the first known reaper. A human survived the Prothean mindrape machine. A human defeated the Collectors. Like so many other scifi stories before it, the story of Mass Effect is playing up the "There's never been another race quite like the humans before" angle. It's why we won the first two games, and it's probably why the REapers are coming after us in ME3.

I don't know how we're going to beat them, but I am confident that Bioware has something suitably epic up their sleeve that will not rely on some weird Deus Ex Machina to pull off.

[Martin the Warrior]

The Reapers would certainly get the most information through the Citadel, like they did with the Protheans. However, they might have other ways of gathering information, most likely by listening in on insecure communications the way the Geth do. Even though there are hundreds of them judging by those final shots of ME2, they don't have the numbers to attack every inhabited planet in the galaxy at once. It's possible that they're using a divide and conquer strategy - focusing on exterminating one race at a time so that when the other races realize this attack isn't just a problem for humanity, the galactic community will be too weakened to fight back. The fact that in the past the Reapers have begun their attack with the Citadel, the heart of galactic civilization, shows that they know enough to go after major centers of government first. If they really are focusing on attacking humanity before the other races, that would make their main targets Arcturus Station and Earth. The Reapers also know that their strongest enemy, the only one capable of defeating them (although I have absolutely no idea how he's going to do it) is human. Enough reason for them to begin their invasion by trying to take down Earth, IMO.

[Whatever42]

PHub88, one thing to remember: this time is different. The Protheans were special and while that wasn't enough to save them, it likely saved us.

The Reapers are always victorious because they attack through stealth. They lure galactic civilization to the Citadel and cripple it with a blow. They they monopolize the relay system to pick off systems one by one at their leisure. To the best of our knowledge, they have faced a galaxy capable of fighting back. They may also not have faced a civilization who killed one of them and adapted their technology.

It will not be humanity alone that defeats the Reapers and one could argue that its not even this galactic civilization that will defeat the Reapers; it was the Protheans.

As for the exact method used, I personally think it has something to do with indocrination. But I guarantee that the method of their defeat has already been hinted at - Bioware does foreshadowing pretty well.

[hooahguy]

I think there is way too much conjecture based on way too little info.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Dude, like, stop harshing my mellow.

Seriously, conjecture is fun. More fun than sitting around flicking belly button lint at the wall, anyway.

[PHub88]

I understand the whole we know they are coming thing, I do. I just find it rather difficult to think that a species that has been so successful at doing this, who have done this 740-possibly millions of times, would be at that much of a disadvantage just because this one time isnt a stealth attack. Just with the reputation Bioware has given the Reapers...they are obviously pretty freaking good at doing what they do...who is to assume every single attack went perfectly? Obviously we wont, or will be lucky to even get a NAME of another species they dominated besides the Protheans...or even any other info. But with just numbers alone...it seems that the Reapers would have dealt with certain situations...foreseen certain situations...planned for them. I just think Bioware gave the Reapers way too strong of a backstory to do justice with. Just think, in 7-8 more story missions mostly FPS oriented, the Reapers will be destroyed...and I really dont want it to be some Independence day BS either.

The Reapers have the experience that spans MILLIONS of years...obviously their "thinking" is incredibly evolved...Sovereign failed to open up the relay...Who knows where Harbinger was at that exact moment but, ME2 had started 2 years after that...ME3 will start who knows how much later...but Harbinger and the Reapers obviously knew about it...2 years is a long time to think...especially for something as advanced as a Reaper...They would obviously adjusted their plan accordingly...and wouldnt execute it unless they where VERY certain it was going to work.

Plus the funny thing about all that...No one actually knows the Reapers are coming...nobody believes Shepard besides his team and Cerberus...and Earth seems to be getting its azz kicked in that trailer...

All im saying is that I dont think Bioware is going to do the Reapers justice they deserve...I dont see that being done with just one more game.